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Oh well.....that was a footballing lesson

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Not at our best today . Leeds well drilled and look better than last season albeit on one performance. Moved the ball quickly and had lots of movement on and off the ball . Pleasing on the eye . A footballing lesson again !!

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13 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 ‘Given his resources ‘

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No added strikers...............:cool2:

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

No added strikers...............:cool2:

If you think a striker is our only issue after that ............

 

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The resources are there - sadly LJ got tactics and team selection wrong. Leeds are a better side no doubt but that doesn’t mean you just let them turn up and win easy like today. 

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

If you think a striker is our only issue after that ............

 

I think it is Bob.

Todays players finished 8th last season and now three have signed for City. Obviously Webster has gone but certainly today Moore looked the part at CB against a very decent strike force.

With one or two more strikers LJ will have more options to vary his tactics especially during matches. That option was missing today. All he could do was call on last seasons options of Taylor and Eliasson. 

Plus......City won’t be up against Leeds every week. They were very very good today and City won’t be the only team that they beat comfortably. Plenty of other clubs are for similar footballing lessons.

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10 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Wrong formation and tactics from start made them look good.

442 is way to play against Leeds.

That formation would worry me against Leeds. They over ran us in there with 3. I agree that the formation was a poor choice, would personally go with 3-5-2. Think it gives us the numbers in the middle & allows us to have 2 upfront. Though your wing backs have to be football intelligent in that system. COYR 

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29 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Disappointing performance and result but fair play to Bielsa out thought LJ comprehensively. Leeds were better than us in every department. They were well drilled, pressed impressively and prevented City from putting more than three passes together and if Leeds don’t finish in the top two I’ll be very surprised.

Given his resources there wasn’t much LJ could do to stop Leeds. They bossed midfield, poor old Famara got very little service. Their full back overlapping at every opportunity. I was really impressed with them and makes me appreciate even more how much better need to be to be in the mix come April/May next year.

Some around me were complaining about playing one up top and that it was no different to last season as was most of the team. Only Taylor Moore was the difference - who I thought had a decent game but according to MA we can expect more signings before the window closes.

Fact is, we got taught a lesson today.....

Are you taking the piss ? We were ******* Abysmal . From 1-11 we couldn’t string two passes together and as I said before about fam. He’s league 1 at best. 

I normally back pack and Josh but they were ******* terrible . 

I haven’t read any posts on here post match apart from this but I really nobody is protecting Taylor Moore . Had rings run round him by a lightweight striker in bam ford. 

Yes his movements ok but I hope this puts to bed that TM is anywhere good enough for this league 

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4 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

That formation would worry me against Leeds. They over ran us in there with 3. I agree that the formation was a poor choice, would personally go with 3-5-2. Think it gives us the numbers in the middle & allows us to have 2 upfront. Though your wing backs have to be football intelligent in that system. COYR 

I was thinking 352 at half time, Baker on for O'Dowda or Palmer

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Just now, hodge said:

I was thinking 352 at half time, Baker on for O'Dowda or Palmer

According to the Head Coach

Neither Baker Or BW have trained for 15 days 

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1. Best team won (quality and preparation)

2. Too many long balls again (1st half, particularly)

3. Need a striker

4. It will get better

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Beaten fair and square today. Leeds overran our midfield, where Hernandez, Forshaw and Phillips were a different class. Harrison was a major threat out wide and in Bamford they had a lone striker with a good first touch and movement. For all his effort Fam will never match that. 

There weren't too many positives but for the most part I thought Taylor Moore did well against Bamford, Da Silva showed good ability on the ball and Weimann again worked his socks off and scored a decent consolation. If only he played more central, as we looked more threatening in the last 15 minutes after Taylor's introduction than we did in the previous 75 minutes. 

Thankfully we won't be playing Leeds every week. 

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Just now, BobBobSuperBob said:

According to the Head Coach

Neither Baker Or BW have trained for 15 days 

Yeah posted as much in a different thread, enough confidence in Baker's fitness to name him on the bench though so you'd hope he could play 45 if needed, felt 3 CB's would've helped us cope with their wide players/wing backs doubling up on our full backs.

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1 minute ago, mozo said:

1. Best team won (quality and preparation)

2. Too many long balls again (1st half, particularly)

3. Need a striker

4. It will get better

Agree agree agree   not sure

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3 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

n. If only he played more central, as we looked more threatening in the last 15 minutes after Taylor's introduction than we did in the previous 75 minutes. 

I think it was both Taylor and especially Eliasson that made the difference. Why oh why is Eliasson not on from the start. I watched with a Leeds supporter and he thought that Eliasson had the Leeds defence in a panic from the moment he arrived - and those crosses!

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13 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Are you taking the piss ? We were ******* Abysmal . From 1-11 we couldn’t string two passes together and as I said before about fam. He’s league 1 at best. 

I normally back pack and Josh but they were ******* terrible . 

I haven’t read any posts on here post match apart from this but I really nobody is protecting Taylor Moore . Had rings run round him by a lightweight striker in bam ford. 

Yes his movements ok but I hope this puts to bed that TM is anywhere good enough for this league 

Please delete your account

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11 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Are you taking the piss ? We were ******* Abysmal . From 1-11 we couldn’t string two passes together and as I said before about fam. He’s league 1 at best. 

I normally back pack and Josh but they were ******* terrible . 

I haven’t read any posts on here post match apart from this but I really nobody is protecting Taylor Moore . Had rings run round him by a lightweight striker in bam ford. 

Yes his movements ok but I hope this puts to bed that TM is anywhere good enough for this league 

We all see games differently Stevie.........For me Leeds were the cause of City struggling to string three passes together. They were excellent and fortunately we won’t be playing against such a top quality team every week.

TM won’t up against the likes of Hernandez and Bamford every week either. Only one game I know but I saw enough in him today to feel confident that he’ll become a decent Championship CB.

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1 hour ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Wrong formation and tactics from start made them look good.

442 is way to play against Leeds.

As the season progresses there will undoubtedly be a few sackings of managers in the EFL. 

A person with your tactical awareness and observational skills would do well to get your CV ready to apply for one of those jobs. 

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Would you like an objective view? I thought City looked okay in parts but Leeds just give the impression of being a much. much better side.

I like that Diedhiou though, well, I like that he plays for you :)

 

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It was an abject performance.

I mentioned in the matchday thread that I didn't think we were ready for this game and it showed.

I really don't know what was done in pre-season but all the hype was how hard the players were worked etc etc etc

They were blowing out their arseholes before an hour.

I'll leave it there, just got back so will reflect on it for an hour or two - but that was crap, really shite.

And the head coach should also reflect on how he got the players "ready" for the first game - he didn't and that is down to him.

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

I think it is Bob.

Todays players finished 8th last season and now three have signed for City. Obviously Webster has gone but certainly today Moore looked the part at CB against a very decent strike force.

With one or two more strikers LJ will have more options to vary his tactics especially during matches. That option was missing today. All he could do was call on last seasons options of Taylor and Eliasson. 

Plus......City won’t be up against Leeds every week. They were very very good today and City won’t be the only team that they beat comfortably. Plenty of other clubs are for similar footballing lessons.

I agree. With you @Robbored Christ. I’ve said it 😂

For us it was the tale of two 9s. Ours was as useless as he was last season. Bamford was Bamford and everything ours isn’t, wasn’t and never will be.

Leeds looked good in other areas too but for us the most telling inadequacy was in the number 9 department. Again.

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We were taught a big lesson today - a bigger score line wouldn’t have looked out of place at all and it’s a shame to say that but we just weren’t anywhere near good enough. Not going to start picking on players but to me it was obvious as to where we are lacking and hopefully this weeks business will address it.  Hope today is just a ‘bad day at the office’ and we can step up from now on. Think it’s crucial we get a good start in the first block of ten if we are to have any chance of being amongst it come the end of the season. 

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City bringing Taylor of the bench to try and get a winner is what did it for me.  

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Wow. They had the better individuals, team,  tactics and manager.

As inept as we were, they were excellent. 

No idea what we did pre-season. Whatever it was, we must not do it again. Lethargic, disorganised and clueless.

 

An £8 million centre back should not stand off an attacker like that. Taylor-Moore should not be letting an attacker across him on the near post and the third was just a shambles. Lumping it up to an isolated Fammy is never going to work, even at a Conference level. Palmer needs to get within 5 yards of him constantly, not drift out off to the wings. Midfield went awol, totally anonymous.

Shockingly poor.

To spunk £8 million on an untried, foreign ‘one for the future’ youngster is bordering on reckless when you look how far behind we are, measured against the elite. Rather than Monaco, time would have been far better spent in Rotherham. 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Simon79 said:

That formation would worry me against Leeds. They over ran us in there with 3. I agree that the formation was a poor choice, would personally go with 3-5-2. Think it gives us the numbers in the middle & allows us to have 2 upfront. Though your wing backs have to be football intelligent in that system. COYR 

They wouldn’t though for Philips would drop back in defence so they would have a back 3 or 5

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25 minutes ago, Red DNA said:

As the season progresses there will undoubtedly be a few sackings of managers in the EFL. 

A person with your tactical awareness and observational skills would do well to get your CV ready to apply for one of those jobs. 

End of last season there results went downhill due to Bielsa being insistent on playing Phillips at the back when up against 2 forwards. He has done it his whole career, teams saw this and played to make them drop cm back to defence. 

LJ tried his usual negative tactics at home and tried to be flash and play lots of forward thinking players but only 1 up front, this left Leeds spare players in midfield. We go 442 after 70 mins and game changed shape for Philips dropped straight back. 

 

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15 minutes ago, RedRock said:

.To spunk £8 million on an untried, foreign ‘one for the future’ youngster is bordering on reckless when you look how far behind we are, measured against the elite. Rather than Monaco, time would have been far better spent in Rotherham. 

 

 

 

 

NONE of us have seen him play. You have literally slagged the kid off whilst knowing nothing about him whatsoever. 

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14 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

They wouldn’t though for Philips would drop back in defence so they would have a back 3 or 5

Why would Phillips drop back in? He does that as & when, depending on the situation. Nothing more than that. He just has game intelligence to know what is needed & when. I don’t think City having 2 up top would mean Leeds altering their style or formation. They quite simply handle the ball better, their movement is better ( this is City’s biggest problem imo ) & it’s worrying to say, looked fitter & stronger. COYR 

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"Oh well that was a footballing lesson"

You're not kidding. it looked like they've been practicing and everything, the bastard cheats!

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1 minute ago, Simon79 said:

Why would Phillips drop back in? He does that as & when, depending on the situation. Nothing more than that. He just has game intelligence to know what is needed & when. I don’t think City having 2 up top would mean Leeds altering their style or formation. They quite simply handle the ball better, their movement is better ( this is City’s biggest problem imo ) & it’s worrying to say, looked fitter & stronger. COYR 

You watch his position when we went 2 up. Played as a 3rd CB that’s what Bielsa does wherever he’s managed. They even took off Harrison to bring on a lb to go even more defensive, just the way Bielsa manages and that’s why he normally lasts 1 season at clubs for they work out his formation and players.

 

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13 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

NONE of us have seen him play. You have literally slagged the kid off whilst knowing nothing about him whatsoever. 

He's not slagged off the kid.. he was talking about priorities. 8 mill is a lot when we still haven't addressed the bleedin obvious.

I'm sure the guy is really talented but the cynic in me says this is more about making money in a sell on in the future.

WE WANT A STRIKER FFS and one to put bums on seats, the belief back and lift the whole bloody place

Be honest, right now the football we play stinks the place out

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6 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

You watch his position when we went 2 up. Played as a 3rd CB that’s what Bielsa does wherever he’s managed. They even took off Harrison to bring on a lb to go even more defensive, just the way Bielsa manages and that’s why he normally lasts 1 season at clubs for they work out his formation and players.

 

He did that to close the game out pal

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I just took it that Phillips naturally dropped back due to the mentality of being 0-3 up & basically cruising. Will have to watch the highlights, if I can find any! Agree with us having 2 up top though. But who ever is playing, the movement & angles created have to be so much better. COYR 

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1 hour ago, David Brent said:

Please delete your account

Why should he? You’re advocating banning free speech on here now are you when others’ views and opinions don’t match your own?! Blimey ....

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8 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

NONE of us have seen him play. You have literally slagged the kid off whilst knowing nothing about him whatsoever. 

Not slagging him off. He may develop into the the next Messi in a couple of years, but we need someone oven-ready now. We have our Academy packed of ‘ones for the future’, we have bought umpteen ‘ones for the future’ for the squad. Someone who has played just 7 games, in a foreign league at 18 is what we need? Not for me. 

Just think Semi Ajayi for £1.5 million, tried, tested Championship defensive midfield/centre back. Low risk and ready for the 42 English game season. Goal scorer with height and a physical presence. Someone who will impose themselves in the hustle and bustle of the English Championship. Would have needed to out-compete West Brom in wages but we could have done that.

It'll be interesting to compare stats for the two at the end of season. Genuinely hope I’m wrong but odds-on Ajayi putting in more appearances, tackles, headers, goals and passes for me. 

 

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10 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

He's not slagged off the kid.. he was talking about priorities. 8 mill is a lot when we still haven't addressed the bleedin obvious.

I'm sure the guy is really talented but the cynic in me says this is more about making money in a sell on in the future.

WE WANT A STRIKER FFS and one to put bums on seats, the belief back and lift the whole bloody place

Be honest, right now the football we play stinks the place out

BUT EVERY OTHER CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB ALSO WANT A STRIKER FFS!!!

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1 minute ago, Up The City! said:

BUT EVERY OTHER CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB ALSO WANT A STRIKER FFS!!!

TELL THEM NOT TO BE GREEDY.

We haven’t got any Championship standard strikers. We just want one FFS!

 

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4 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

BUT EVERY OTHER CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB ALSO WANT A STRIKER FFS!!!

Well there are quite a few who have strikers and striker options.. basically, we have none

Even your head coach agrees if you listen to what he says time after time.

If one doesn't arrive.. we're looking at a battle towards the drop.Not alarmist, just the facts

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2 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Well there are quite a few who have strikers and striker options.. basically, we have none

Even your head coach agrees if you listen to what he says time after time.

If one doesn't arrive.. we're looking at a battle towards the drop.Not alarmist, just the facts

THE TRANSFER WINDOW IS STILL OPEN FFS!!

The drop 😂😂😂 ok fella

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

No added strikers...............:cool2:

So, do we sign another striker to stand on the halfway line isolated  trying to hold off 2-3 defenders while trying to control a ball aimed at his head. 

Or, do we sign a striker and hopefully get LJ to  tactically change the way we play, then actually play in a way where that new striker gets the opportunity to do his work farther up the pitch. If we sign a proven goal scorer the manager will have to give him the opportunity to get the ball in or around the penalty area, something that current tactics rarely allow. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

BUT EVERY OTHER CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB ALSO WANT A STRIKER FFS!!!

You didn't comment on my "the football stinks comment" btw

It does though, be honest

 

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3 minutes ago, Up The City! said:

THE TRANSFER WINDOW IS STILL OPEN FFS!!

The drop 😂😂😂 ok fella

I know you are and have always been super loyal to the club LJ etc etc and I get that.. but be honest, what about today gave you hope cos i';m struggling honestly i am

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24 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

He did that to close the game out pal

He does always drop Philips back into a 3 against 2 up top. It’s a trademark Bielsa move. 

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3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I know you are and have always been super loyal to the club LJ etc etc and I get that.. but be honest, what about today gave you hope cos i';m struggling honestly i am

Whilst it was disappointing to lose, we always lose against Leeds so not a game I really expected us to win. 

Leeds will once again be up there this season so losing to them shouldn't be seen as the end of the world.

In a weird kind of way I'm kind of glad we lost, imagine had we won? Whilst it would have been nice it may have seen us go with what we got already, by losing it firmly puts pressure on us to bring players in.

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2 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

So, do we sign another striker to stand on the halfway line isolated  trying to hold off 2-3 defenders while trying to control a ball aimed at his head. 

Or, do we sign a striker and hopefully get LJ to  tactically change the way we play, then actually play in a way where that new striker gets the opportunity to do his work farther up the pitch. If we sign a proven goal scorer the manager will have to give him the opportunity to get the ball in or around the penalty area, something that current tactics rarely allow. 

 

 

I hope that will happen.

But after today (and the palace game) and seeing LJs failure to prepare the team properly I am a bit concerned already.

Hopefully, the next few games will alleviate that, but, even though I expected us to lose, the manner of the defeat was a shock today.

 

 

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