Jerseybean Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 LJ tends to say very similar things after a poor City performance. I would really like him to be more honest as other managers are, as for example Lee Bowyer following Charlton’s defeat at Derby last night.....https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-bowyer-derby-charlton-reaction-3692187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 You can’t please all of the people all of the time. Different fans want different things. For me, too much emphasis is put on post match interviews. It’s what is said in the changing room that matters. Bowyer seems to be losing his head which isn’t good. He has lots of injuries to contend with and the only creative player in their line up last night was Gallagher. One player. And he then moans at his players for not creating anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 I feel like if he was honest he would get pelters for calling out and singling out individual players. Agree it’s whats said behind closed doors that matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Poor little sausages... ….. hung out to dry ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highguy Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, GTFABM said: I feel like if he was honest he would get pelters for calling out and singling out individual players. Agree it’s whats said behind closed doors that matters Quite a few times he thrown players under the bus in interviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highguy said: Quite a few times he thrown players under the bus in interviews 100% and if it’s correct then i personally have no problem with it and wouldn’t call him out for doing so. Maybe the OP meant if he admitted he got tactics or game plan wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Taking ownership. That’s what it’s about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highguy Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, GTFABM said: 100% and if it’s correct then i personally have no problem with it and wouldn’t call him out for doing so. Maybe the OP meant if he admitted he got tactics or game plan wrong? When is a manager who is under pressure from fans going come out and admit he got things wrong or his game plan and tactics wasnt right always easier to blame others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFABM Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Thats very true. Easier to do if you have won the game. Say you started with x formation and realised it wasn’t working so changed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 That's Bowyers character though isn't it ? As a player he was a mouthy little ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 52 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said: Poor little sausages... ….. hung out to dry ! This thread is sizzling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 Theres mention of post match waffle on the OSIB podcast (has the Pod been advertised here yet @Shtanley ?) Personally, I enjoy reading Johnson's transcribed post match presser in the Post. Yeah he comes out with some David Brent classics, but he also gives away details about behind the scenes stuff. Particularly training techniques, if fir example LJ wants to demonstrate his own genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, mozo said: Theres mention of post match waffle on the OSIB podcast (has the Pod been advertised here yet @Shtanley ?) Personally, I enjoy reading Johnson's transcribed post match presser in the Post. Yeah he comes out with some David Brent classics, but he also gives away details about behind the scenes stuff. Particularly training techniques, if fir example LJ wants to demonstrate his own genius! Yeah just started the thread, aggressive in our simplicity is a new fav of mine. "power from the pain to show controlled aggression" is another one. Feel like we should be keeping a huge log of all of these tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted December 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, GTFABM said: 100% and if it’s correct then i personally have no problem with it and wouldn’t call him out for doing so. Maybe the OP meant if he admitted he got tactics or game plan wrong? To clarify what I meant was simply a plea for more honesty and less ‘nothing-speak’ from LJ. So, for example, if everyone (or at least the majority) saw a bad performance, ineffective tactics, poor passing, sloppy decision making, few decent moves, limited attempts on goal, etc, etc, LJ simply says it like it is. Too often for me he says something, that really means nothing much. I was contrasting the LJ approach with the more forthright and straightforward LB quote from last night which left no doubt that he was bitterly disappointed by his teams performance. As a manager, in any profession, I would suggest you need to say what you see. Not least of all as others have seen it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted December 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Yeah just started the thread, aggressive in our simplicity is a new fav of mine. "power from the pain to show controlled aggression" is another one. Feel like we should be keeping a huge log of all of these tbh. That’s defo got the makings of a new huge new thread for 2020....something like ‘LJ’s phrases and quotes: the good, the bad, the ugly and the nonsensical’ Shtanley it feels like the honour of starting it off should be yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Yeah just started the thread, aggressive in our simplicity is a new fav of mine. "power from the pain to show controlled aggression" is another one. Feel like we should be keeping a huge log of all of these tbh. Hasn't been mentioned on the pod yet but my personal hobby is counting how many times Johnson says "...if you like" after a cliche. He can't help himself, if you like. Controlled aggression, I do understand. It means, for one example, strong in the tackle, but not committing needless fouls. But aggressive in our simplicity is a mesmerising one. Is he trying to transfuse 'keep it simple' and 'be aggressive' into one glorious statement? Could it be shortened to aggressimple? Aggrosimps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, Shtanley said: a huge log Yep.... it's definitely one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, BigTone said: That's Bowyers character though isn't it ? As a player he was a mouthy little ****. Dirty bastard as well - a right thug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Dirty bastard as well - a right thug. Could do with someone like that in our side....snarling,,putting a foot in. We're a soft touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Could do with someone like that in our side....snarling,,putting a foot in. We're a soft touch. I think we`ve got one or two more now than we`re used to having - Jack Hunt and Tommy Rowe for example. I don`t think Ash W is any shrinking violet either. Now JD`s back I can see Rowe for instance coming on as sub to do a bit of `enforcing` should it be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Shtanley said: Yeah just started the thread, aggressive in our simplicity is a new fav of mine. "power from the pain to show controlled aggression" is another one. Feel like we should be keeping a huge log of all of these tbh. Gonna take some beating, but I've not written Lee off for going one better. Certainly a personal fav of mine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 "We weren't Cosmic today" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, mozo said: Theres mention of post match waffle on the OSIB podcast (has the Pod been advertised here yet @Shtanley ?) Hmm, Interesting, anyone else spotted a theme emerging here? … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Robert the bruce said: Could do with someone like that in our side....snarling,,putting a foot in. We're a soft touch. Who is the great enforcer for: WBA, Leeds, Brentford, Fulham? In that sense, not sure there is one. Livermore maybe but footballing sides don't tend to have them. They have physicality of course, but more like intense pressing in spells IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 There all so well media trained now it’s almost pointless doing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Who is the great enforcer for: WBA, Leeds, Brentford, Fulham? In that sense, not sure there is one. Livermore maybe but footballing sides don't tend to have them. They have physicality of course, but more like intense pressing in spells IMO. Livermore and Phillips for the first two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Livermore and Phillips for the first two. Yeah, Livermore- Phillips is an excellent passer too though, great range. I think also perhaps people have different ideas of 'enforcer' or 'tough tackler'...some stats for tackles or similar for either would be interesting- get the impression tackling is a lot less prevalent than even 10, 20 years ago too. Modern types of enforcers- Phillips certainly. Edit- just looked it up a bit- Phillips it is then- but he's more modern too than a lot of ideas of a typical enforcer! Assuming he was ever present, it was about 3-3.5 per game. Wouldn't say tackling a dying art- far from it- but it seems less prevalent for sure than 10 years ago even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Yeah, Livermore- Phillips is an excellent passer too though, great range. I think also perhaps people have different ideas of 'enforcer' or 'tough tackler'...some stats for tackles or similar for either would be interesting- get the impression tackling is a lot less prevalent than even 10, 20 years ago too. Modern types of enforcers- Phillips certainly. Edit- just looked it up a bit- Phillips it is then- but he's more modern too than a lot of ideas of a typical enforcer! Assuming he was ever present, it was about 3-3.5 per game. Spot on,if those two are enforcers then I’m John Gotti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 I wouldn't say Livermore is an enforcer, he's just allowed to get away with a lot by referees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 31, 2019 Report Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: I wouldn't say Livermore is an enforcer, he's just allowed to get away with a lot by referees. Yes, cynical bastard. Re previous posters - “enforcers”, yes, not in the old fashioned sense, but skilled at breaking up the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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