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New Singing Section?

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I've always said it should be the entire south stand for atmosphere..We don't deserve being stuck in one corner.. Most successful clubs have a kop or home end why should we be no different? Why shouldn't we have big flags going across, Why shouldnt we have the stand looking and sounding amazing..I'm hoping yesterday is the start..As fans at home we could achieve alot more,Make section 82 grow,Something needs changing because the atmosphere has fallen flat on its face since it's been rebuilt,

Make it a kop end then the atmosphere will change let the ground use its acoustics to it fall potential.

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

This was not a dig at the ‘younger’ singing section who do a great job pushed into a single section and have come up with their own classics in recent years. It was an observation that at least at the other end of the South Stand there was more atmosphere yesterday and that is for the hierarchy to consider.
 

Personally when  I was young I never sang and I never have (just not my thing) but I appreciate those who do of whatever age. I don’t get this divisive thing people are trying to create, it doesn’t matter whether we have 2 singing sections the more the merrier because what makes Ashton Gate special is people having a great day out. If mine was better yesterday hearing some old classics then what’s the problem. Some people are just a little too sensitive and insecure these days. It’s not a competition it’s about sharing the love for the club we support. I enjoy coffee and I hate cider but that doesn’t mean that I can’t go down the Gate and enjoy the experience. 
 

 

 

Sorry, crossed wires. I was agreeing with you that it’s the club that have created. Hardy the fault of a small group of youngsters as some on here seem to think.

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1 hour ago, Lew-T said:

The EastEnd boys are in town....

Smell my fingers...

We are the people....

I haven’t heard these for years. I’m in the generation where I’ve heard old and new modern chants. I was in the EastEnd before the redevelopment and now in the unreserved section and I never hear those songs anymore. 

That's disappointing to here as smell my fingers was sung twice on new year day game , East end boys deffenalty sung at least once in December, amazed u didn't here them surly the sound doesn't travel so bad in the corner that is s26 is singing s25 don't here it proper, 

One thing I have noticed is different parts of the unreserved tend to join in with different songs maybe try a different area of the unreserved and see if more people around you who sing the songs you like, I am usually right in the middle near the drum and it's good there the guys to the left of me usual sing the newer songs the guys to the right usual some of the older songs so get singing all game ,

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30 minutes ago, Street red said:

I've always said it should be the entire south stand for atmosphere..We don't deserve being stuck in one corner.. Most successful clubs have a kop or home end why should we be no different? Why shouldn't we have big flags going across, Why shouldnt we have the stand looking and sounding amazing..I'm hoping yesterday is the start..As fans at home we could achieve alot more,Make section 82 grow,Something needs changing because the atmosphere has fallen flat on its face since it's been rebuilt,

Make it a kop end then the atmosphere will change let the ground use its acoustics to it fall potential.

 

 

 

Completely agree with this, imagine the noise the whole south stand could create singing as one! 

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Shrewsbury on Tuesday was interesting. Flags and allocated 'singing section' (with Rail seats) opposite the away end then roughly 300 or so all stood singing in the side stand right next to the away end. I must admit for a small modern ground it was a fairly impressive atmosphere, good on them. Most of it was copy-cat lower league drivel mind you but they made a decent noise. On that note, the Dolman lower block nearest the Atyeo, could that be an option as an extension to the unreserved corner? Alternatively how about a return to the Atyeo corner and split the stand again (like the league cup games in 2017/18) whilst still retaining the unreserved corner?

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4 hours ago, KevP said:

"Berr-iss-tollll"....."you'll never take the east end"...."my old man said be a Rovers fan..."...Oh the memories. A few pork pies being thrown into the crowd at half time would be good too...🤣👍

I think that at my first game they had models being driven around the ground sprawled across the bonnets of Datsun's. I was too young too appreciate it.

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29 minutes ago, Red94 said:

Completely agree with this, imagine the noise the whole south stand could create singing as one! 

Personally I think it would make a massive difference even when the team isn't playing well..I think it would be pretty impressive.

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2 minutes ago, Street red said:

Personally I think it would make a massive difference even when the team isn't playing well..I think it would be pretty impressive.

Agreed, we would be able to raise the team. I just really hope the noise created yesterday spreads across the stand, imagine all the flags and banners all the way across as well now that would be impressive! 

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1 hour ago, Street red said:

I've always said it should be the entire south stand for atmosphere..We don't deserve being stuck in one corner.. Most successful clubs have a kop or home end why should we be no different? Why shouldn't we have big flags going across, Why shouldnt we have the stand looking and sounding amazing..I'm hoping yesterday is the start..As fans at home we could achieve alot more,Make section 82 grow,Something needs changing because the atmosphere has fallen flat on its face since it's been rebuilt,

Make it a kop end then the atmosphere will change let the ground use its acoustics to it fall potential.

I've always said this. Unfortunately, atmosphere has always been bottom of the list of priorities when deciding how the ground was redesigned. 

My ideal situation, albeit an unrealistic one perhaps, is for the club to redevelop the Atyeo into a proper single tiered 'home end' - a bit like the Jack Hayward stand at Molineux. Have that stand standing alone, away from the rest of the stadium bowl and make it safe standing. Have away fans in the corner nearest to that side. That has the potential to be amazing for the atmosphere in my opinion.

Image result for jack hayward stand molineux

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2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I've always said this. Unfortunately, atmosphere has always been bottom of the list of priorities when deciding how the ground was redesigned. 

My ideal situation, albeit an unrealistic one perhaps, is for the club to redevelop the Atyeo into a proper single tiered 'home end' - a bit like the Jack Hayward stand at Molineux. Have that stand standing alone, away from the rest of the stadium bowl and make it safe standing. Have away fans in the corner nearest to that side. That has the potential to be amazing for the atmosphere in my opinion.

Image result for jack hayward stand molineux

Could the same not be achieved with the south stand now? Turn the stand into a ‘singing section’ to allow more people to stand and it become our home end which in turn would hopefully spur on the other stands to join in as one? 

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8 minutes ago, Red94 said:

Could the same not be achieved with the south stand now? Turn the stand into a ‘singing section’ to allow more people to stand and it become our home end which in turn would hopefully spur on the other stands to join in as one? 

Top half of south stand to become unreserved safe standing.  Don’t think the club are that interested though.

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9 minutes ago, Red94 said:

Could the same not be achieved with the south stand now? Turn the stand into a ‘singing section’ to allow more people to stand and it become our home end which in turn would hopefully spur on the other stands to join in as one? 

Think to really get it going again there needs to be that interaction with the away fans. That’s not to say that we can’t make a racket at the other end in isolation but I think the best atmospheres have always been where there is interaction with the away end. 

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18 minutes ago, Red94 said:

Could the same not be achieved with the south stand now? Turn the stand into a ‘singing section’ to allow more people to stand and it become our home end which in turn would hopefully spur on the other stands to join in as one? 

Don't think so because a lot of people have made that their 'place' now and they are the type who like to just go and watch the game - nothing wrong with that and would be wrong to shift them out. In my example, the new home end would be safe standing and lots of people prefer to sit. It could've been achievable if they made that the home end from the outset, but they didn't.

I think any new 'home end' needs to be created with the understanding that most people there are there for the atmosphere. 

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3 hours ago, Super said:

Lets be honest the whole experience is pretty terrible these days.

The whole experience is certainly different. Part of me thinks do I just have accept that what I fell in love with just doesn’t exist anymore?

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8 minutes ago, 054123 said:

The whole experience is certainly different. Part of me thinks do I just have accept that what I fell in love with just doesn’t exist anymore?

Yep, mentioned this on a similar topic last month. We're a family club now, the days of frenzied wild atmospheres are well dead. 

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11 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Yep, mentioned this on a similar topic last month. We're a family club now, the days of frenzied wild atmospheres are well dead. 

Why are they dead though? I know it’s never going to be like the east end but we are still capable of creating an atmosphere. 

1 hour ago, The Wild Bunch said:

Top half of south stand to become unreserved safe standing.  Don’t think the club are that interested though.

That’s a good idea I’m sure the rest of the stand would naturally join in as well. 

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2 hours ago, Red94 said:

Completely agree with this, imagine the noise the whole south stand could create singing as one! 

Would be great when they can install rail seats for them to go all across the rear of the South Stand! Would certainly improve the atmosphere! 

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There was a time not to long ago when if away fans sang any of that forza ultra stuff we’d respond with ‘are you palace in disguise?’ 

Would be good to see some of our real fan culture return and getting the old songs going seems like a good place to start 

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41 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Would be great when they can install rail seats for them to go all across the rear of the South Stand! Would certainly improve the atmosphere! 

This would be a great idea for next season. Unreserved at the top. Then there is a case for waiting for rail seats to be installed after that. Would improve the atmosphere 100%. I do feel the club have messed up big time. They do seem to praise the singers when it suits them but do bugger all to help.


This would be my idea that i posted on another thread

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4 hours ago, winsaw said:

It gets sung most games by us, yesterday was one of the few games it's not been sung this season, 

It's a bit worrying that no one seams able to hear it can only think the corner holds the sound in where as the back of the south stand pushed the sound out into the ground, if it's true it's a bit rubbish and dose explain why other bits of the ground don't join in when we sing songs that everyone knows, 

The acoustics in the ground are not very good, or conducive to atmosphere.

Sound doesn't travel well or between stands so well IMO. Dunno why. 

Chants wise, (dunno if it was the corner or the 'new' singing section)  I did at one point hear 'C' 'I' 'T' 'Y'. Like call and response, a guy shouts it our and crowd join in. 

Not heard that in a while!

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2 hours ago, The Wild Bunch said:

Top half of south stand to become unreserved safe standing.  Don’t think the club are that interested though.

The club, the SAG or both? 

I don't think the Safety Advisory Group would be too keen tbh.

Remember too that as it stands, and tbh all of what I'm posting now is at it stands, unreserved seating has a 10% mandatory capacity reduction. 

There are many different and good ideas our there. Problem is, convincing the club who in turn would need to convince the SAG, Licensing bodies etc.

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1 hour ago, T R said:

This would be a great idea for next season. Unreserved at the top. Then there is a case for waiting for rail seats to be installed after that. Would improve the atmosphere 100%. I do feel the club have messed up big time. They do seem to praise the singers when it suits them but do bugger all to help.


This would be my idea that i posted on another thread

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They was a visual in the Post a couple of years ago showing the same. I think it would be the ideal solution 

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1 hour ago, T R said:

This would be a great idea for next season. Unreserved at the top. Then there is a case for waiting for rail seats to be installed after that. Would improve the atmosphere 100%. I do feel the club have messed up big time. They do seem to praise the singers when it suits them but do bugger all to help.


This would be my idea that i posted on another thread

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If that was full up with people looking to create an atmosphere then Ashton gate would be rocking I reckon. Anyone know if/when rail seats are going to be put in the ground?

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Having sat in between the two main singing sections yesterday, there seemed to be a great deal of aggression from the S21 group towards the singing section. Hand gestures etc.

 

I guess it was a " we can sing as well" type of reaction.

 

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3 hours ago, T R said:

This would be a great idea for next season. Unreserved at the top. Then there is a case for waiting for rail seats to be installed after that. Would improve the atmosphere 100%. I do feel the club have messed up big time. They do seem to praise the singers when it suits them but do bugger all to help.


This would be my idea that i posted on another thread

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So  where do the current season ticket holders go? Some maybe part of a large group.

Just asking..

 

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3 hours ago, T R said:

This would be a great idea for next season. Unreserved at the top. Then there is a case for waiting for rail seats to be installed after that. Would improve the atmosphere 100%. I do feel the club have messed up big time. They do seem to praise the singers when it suits them but do bugger all to help.


This would be my idea that i posted on another thread

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Section 82 has to extend and agree with this ..Being in the corner isn't the answer because the sound needs to move forward or up and out towards the pitch.. Being in the corner restricts it.. The club's idea of creating an atmosphere..They have no idea along with pa system which is completely useless.. Change both 100% and then we can make Ashton gate something special.. 

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47 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

So  where do the current season ticket holders go? Some maybe part of a large group.

Just asking..

 

Good question, was something I thought about for a while. Hoping quite a few will come and join us. I know a few are former east enders who cannot get a ticket in the singing section. Hoping most season ticket holders who have to move would go in the corner which is quite a good view. Also I suggested on another thread to make the disabled section a bit smaller so you can put more seats in at the front. and make the disabled section longer in the dolman.

Still working on other ideas for now

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10 minutes ago, T R said:

Good question, was something I thought about for a while. Hoping quite a few will come and join us. I know a few are former east enders who cannot get a ticket in the singing section. Hoping most season ticket holders who have to move would go in the corner which is quite a good view. Also I suggested on another thread to make the disabled section a bit smaller so you can put more seats in at the front. and make the disabled section longer in the dolman.

Still working on other ideas for now

So you expect current season ticket holders to move from the central block into the corner? Can't see that happening, sorry.

Increase the disabled section in front of the Dolman so more displaced supporters can be moved into the corner?

Sorry bud, singing section needs to make the best of what it's got.

 

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47 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

So you expect current season ticket holders to move from the central block into the corner? Can't see that happening, sorry.

Increase the disabled section in front of the Dolman so more displaced supporters can be moved into the corner?

Sorry bud, singing section needs to make the best of what it's got.

 

See this is the problem the club have created by not doing it correctly in the first place now fans have got too comfortable. So on that basis I shan't bother then.

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6 minutes ago, T R said:

See this is the problem the club have created by not doing it correctly in the first place now fans have got too comfortable. So on that basis I shan't bother then.

Not saying that, but you are right this is down to the club.

The phasing of the build was excellent and worked a treat. Alongside this though the club needed to phase the movement of supporters. To do this you need to know where you want supporters to be when the building works are complete, and then move supporters accordingly.

This just didn't happen and is why we are where we are now.

Trying to change things now is really tricky.

Good luck to you, I have a ST in the SS and love a bit of a sing, and appreciate those who try and create atmosphere.

Just for information  - before recently retiring, I spent a lifetime of work in the construction industry (Architectural Profession) so I know this should have happened.

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On 18/01/2020 at 18:28, Alan Dicks said:

Hit him on the head with a baseball bat, not heard that for decades.

Remember when there was big rivalries in football one of the classic songs was "were see you all outside we're see you all outside" and you're going to get your fu*king heads kicked in!

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2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

...any thoughts on this point @Robbored ?

The singing section is poorly situated. It should have been behind the SS goal.

We rarely hear anything from in the Dolman so it makes little difference to me,

Btw - anyone who watched Liverpool v Man Utd would have heard the crystal clear PA system from Anfield.

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10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

The singing section is poorly situated. It should have been behind the SS goal.

We rarely hear anything from in the Dolman so it makes little difference to me,

Btw - anyone who watched Liverpool v Man Utd would have heard the crystal clear PA system from Anfield.

“Like” ... just thought you’d commented a ‘couple of times’ on our PA system, so thought the subject was close to your heart rather than making little difference to you ...

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13 minutes ago, Robbored said:

The singing section is poorly situated. It should have been behind the SS goal.

We rarely hear anything from in the Dolman so it makes little difference to me,

Btw - anyone who watched Liverpool v Man Utd would have heard the crystal clear PA system from Anfield.

No it shouldn't/couldn't!!!

What happens to the supporters in the adjacent blocks if the singing section goes behind the goal?

Either the singer's have to stay sat down or everyone else has to stand up or they can only see half the pitch!

Why don't you get this?

 

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@Street red

Have you yet factored I'm the mandatory 10% reduction in capacity for unreserved areas? 

Let alone what others have mentioned about upheaval of existing season ticket holders.

Ideas on here are a good platform and basis, but fans who are like minded need to come up with a plan to sell it to the club, who in turn must sell it to the SAG.. 

I should also add, on the latter club and SAG point, an additional unreserved in say 2 or 3 blocks of lower Dolman... 

Firstly, with the Swansea game still fresh in the mind, albeit nearly a year ago how do the club and SAG know that there won't be bother in that area again with noisy near to away fans? 

Secondly, would the SAG go for it- bot only for the reason above but standing and unreserved in two parts of the ground? 

How do we go about pitching it to them, with these issues they will raise, as possible concerns...10% reduction would apply in those other areas, if unreserved...will the club want that revenue hit? 

Atmosphere vs revenue vs perceived risk. Lots of tradeoffs possibly necessary, some of these tradeoffs I don't really see discussed.

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2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

“Like” ... just thought you’d commented a ‘couple of times’ on our PA system, so thought the subject was close to your heart rather than making little difference to you ...

I was referring to to the location of the singing section and how we can hear them in the Dolman.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

I was referring to to the location of the singing section and how we can hear them in the Dolman.

Ah right, apologies, yet the comment I quoted and quoted you on was entirely about the PA system - apologies for the confusion 

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3 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

No it shouldn't/couldn't!!!

What happens to the supporters in the adjacent blocks if the singing section goes behind the goal?

Either the singer's have to stay sat down or everyone else has to stand up or they can only see half the pitch!

Why don't you get this?

 

Oh I get it alright. 

My point is that the signing section should have been located behind the SS when the redevelopment was completed. Instead the club tucked them away in the corner.

Question is - why was that?

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7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Oh I get it alright. 

My point is that the signing section should have been located behind the SS when the redevelopment was completed. Instead the club tucked them away in the corner.

Question is - why was that?

So you don't get it then do you?

Someone SAT next to someone STOOD will see bugger all...

So how do you get over that?

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Straight from the off when the south stand was built 3 blocks behind the goal should have been unreserved and either side of that season ticket holders this would of been a starting point but theyve gone about it the wrong way...(maybe standing would be an issue with this for seeing both corner flags )

The south stand is crying out for some noise,This end of the ground has always been the home end don't you think it's been taken away? Just like when they shoved away fans in the East end it killed it and then we had to fight for it back Again!

Imagine doing that to the kop at liverpool or the Stretford end at old Trafford and shoving them in a corner!! It would never happen and would kill what atmosphere these grounds create.

Don't understand this 10% reduction thing either.

Makes the development of the atyeo stand more important as it will solve the the long list of problems the ground causes!!

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7 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

There was a time not to long ago when if away fans sang any of that forza ultra stuff we’d respond with ‘are you palace in disguise?’ 

Would be good to see some of our real fan culture return and getting the old songs going seems like a good place to start 

It would indeed I remember the last game for the East end I knew then that it was about to die it's like the end of a chapter a closed song book and left to gather dust!! Someone needs to find that duster ....

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41 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

So you don't get it then do you?

Someone SAT next to someone STOOD will see bugger all...

So how do you get over that?

Oh bless, RR is confused.

Let me try and explain it simply so hopefully you will understand.

Two friends Paul and Henry like to go to football.

Paul likes to stand up and sing whereas Henry prefers to sit down in his seat.

You with me so far?

They go to Ashton Gate and Paul joins the singer's in the block behind the goal.

Henry sits in the block next to Paul.

After the game, they meet up. Paul had a brilliant time and asked Henry what he thought of the match and in particular, City's second goal.

Henry replies "not a clue, couldn't see a bloody thing with you lot stood up"

Do you understand now? If not I will try a Janet and John version.

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Have you yet factored I'm the mandatory 10% reduction in capacity for unreserved areas? 

It's my understanding that this is advisory as opposed to mandatory, I could be wrong.

18 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Let me try and explain it simply so hopefully you will understand

Pretty sure the other chap means it should've been the back rows set as the unreserved section when the rebuild was complete rather than suggesting it be changed now. 

Although It actually seems like a decent idea, roughly 1100 in the corner at present how many rows would that equate to across the top of the south stand and how many would be willing to move down a row or two or willingly be added to the unreserved section or move to the corner or even another part of the ground? It could well even itself out, alternatively it could be a nightmare...

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2 minutes ago, Puckle_red said:

Pretty sure the other chap means it should've been the back rows set as the unreserved section when the rebuild was complete rather than suggesting it be changed now. 

Although It actually seems like a decent idea, roughly 1100 in the corner at present how many rows would that equate to across the top of the south stand and how many would be willing to move down a row or two or willingly be added to the unreserved section or move to the corner or even another part of the ground? It could well even itself out, alternatively it could be a nightmare...

Would be good if the club could send out a poll to season ticket holders in the south stand to see if they would be willing to either be part of the new standing singing section or possibly move. Would improve the atmosphere massively having the back of the south stand as as one big singing section. 

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7 minutes ago, Puckle_red said:

It's my understanding that this is advisory as opposed to mandatory, I could be wrong.

Pretty sure the other chap means it should've been the back rows set as the unreserved section when the rebuild was complete rather than suggesting it be changed now. 

Although It actually seems like a decent idea, roughly 1100 in the corner at present how many rows would that equate to across the top of the south stand and how many would be willing to move down a row or two or willingly be added to the unreserved section or move to the corner or even another part of the ground? It could well even itself out, alternatively it could be a nightmare...

Maybe, but he says "the block behind the goal".

He also could have qualified his post, but didn't.

Even if it is just the top rows, unless it goes right across the entire stand, you will still have the problem I have tried to outline.

 

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2 minutes ago, Red94 said:

Would be good if the club could send out a poll to season ticket holders in the south stand to see if they would be willing to either be part of the new standing singing section or possibly move. Would improve the atmosphere massively having the back of the south stand as as one big singing section.

Just done a basic count. 7 blocks, roughly 25 seats per row, multiply that by 8 and that's 1400. So 8 rows from the back unless my maths is really bad...

1 minute ago, Galley is our king said:

Maybe, but he says "the block behind the goal".

He also could have qualified his post, but didn't.

Even if it is just the top rows, unless it goes right across the entire stand, you will still have the problem I have tried to outline.

 

Yeah fair enough, makes sense.

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