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Best 1/4 season start in 6 seasons??


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4 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Just been looking through the previous tables and I’m pretty sure 23 points after 12 games is out best start since returning to the Championship 6 seasons ago?  Any statisticians out there able to verify?

I’m not a stats person but I think its fantastic. Great start to the season and lets hope it continues.

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Under these weird circumstances of not being at BS3, I would add it probably is the best statistically but the quality has been 'mixed'. 

I am a DH fan as I was a LJ fan when the latter took us on good runs but we should temper our justified satisfaction with our results with an acceptance we are playing some terrible stuff, witness most of yesterday, Boro etc. 

If we had been at the game, the groans and boos at 55 mins could have been heard in Basingstoke! 

CoYRs 

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2 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said:

Under these weird circumstances of not being at BS3, I would add it probably is the best statistically but the quality has been 'mixed'. 

I am a DH fan as I was a LJ fan when the latter took us on good runs but we should temper our justified satisfaction with our results with an acceptance we are playing some terrible stuff, witness most of yesterday, Boro etc. 

If we had been at the game, the groans and boos at 55 mins could have been heard in Basingstoke! 

CoYRs 

I posted on another thread that I wonder if there is a deliberate tactical decision, based on no crowds, to just play tight and like the away team (esp as our away form for a few seasons has been superior).  It might not be great to watch on Tv but it’s working well from a points perspective, and we have already played the majority of the teams around us (bar Watford and Reading which are coming up).

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34 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Just been looking through the previous tables and I’m pretty sure 23 points after 12 games is our best start since returning to the Championship 6 seasons ago?  Any statisticians out there able to verify?

Agreed, and impressive considering we have already played the sides in 1, 2 and 4th positions. 

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8 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said:

Under these weird circumstances of not being at BS3, I would add it probably is the best statistically but the quality has been 'mixed'. 

I am a DH fan as I was a LJ fan when the latter took us on good runs but we should temper our justified satisfaction with our results with an acceptance we are playing some terrible stuff, witness most of yesterday, Boro etc. 

If we had been at the game, the groans and boos at 55 mins could have been heard in Basingstoke! 

CoYRs 

Lets not worry about the quality at the moment we are winning ugly which still gives us 3 points. Lets not forget we have probably half of the team out Injured and we are still 3rd. Previous seasons we have dropped away around now but when the injured return it may just carry us on and get us to the play offs. 2 of our 3 losses were against last seasons premiership teams and we more than a match for Bournemouth who are scoring for fun at the moment. The only real blip was V Norwich but after the run of 3 games Boro Swansea Bournemouth and then Norwich (+the loss of Mawson against Boro) it was to be expected    

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1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

2I posted on another thread that I wonder if there is a deliberate tactical decision, based on no crowds, to just play tight and like the away team (esp as our away form for a few seasons has been superior).  It might not be great to watch on Tv but it’s working well from a points perspective, and we have already played the majority of the teams around us (bar Watford and Reading which are coming up).

On the Derby forum, one wag simply said (of us) " Perfect away performance" !

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2 hours ago, WarksRobin said:

Agreed, and impressive considering we have already played the sides in 1, 2 and 4th positions. 

Yes but we only got 1 point from those games. 4 of our 7 wins have been against teams currently in the bottom 5. So you could say the fixtures have been fairly kind. 

What still concerns me a bit is we struggle at AG and are still better away. With there being no crowds I thought this might change. However it seems more a tactical thing in that other sides at home set out to attack us and we seem to struggle to do the same at AG. 

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4 hours ago, Hampshire Red said:

Under these weird circumstances of not being at BS3, I would add it probably is the best statistically but the quality has been 'mixed'. 

I am a DH fan as I was a LJ fan when the latter took us on good runs but we should temper our justified satisfaction with our results with an acceptance we are playing some terrible stuff, witness most of yesterday, Boro etc. 

If we had been at the game, the groans and boos at 55 mins could have been heard in Basingstoke! 

CoYRs 

I genuinely don’t think we are playing terrible stuff at all.  Is it exciting, fast-flowing football? Nope.  Are we creating a tonne of chances?  Nope.  But I still see structure, I see method, I see patterns, but they are sometimes being let down by a bit of clumsiness with key passes when we’ve done a lot of the hard work to get it into the final third.

I certainly don’t think we were terrible against Boro....a fairly even game where both sides stuttered when trying to move the ball into the final third.

Perhaps some pragmatism after being so open against Norwich and chasing the game.  I think Holden deserves some credit for Huddersfield.  I thought we were terrible for 65 minutes....but Holden came out afterwards and said that on a winless run it was about staying in the game and waiting to make the move.  We should’ve been trying to win it from 0-0 (rather than a mistake costing us a goal) and credit to all of them for turning it into 2-1.

How many times have we been “the Cardiff” losing an early goal and unable to get something despite tonnes of possession but very few clear cut chances.

I think we need to accept that there are several ways to earn 3 points.

I think we need to accept that the loss of Mawson has changed the way we play / build attacks.  Also, Bakinson too.  We’ve had to tweak our structure, and have had no time to drill anything.

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4 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I posted on another thread that I wonder if there is a deliberate tactical decision, based on no crowds, to just play tight and like the away team (esp as our away form for a few seasons has been superior).  It might not be great to watch on Tv but it’s working well from a points perspective, and we have already played the majority of the teams around us (bar Watford and Reading which are coming up).

yep, there was really no point trying to play an energetic game yesterday.  Holden had no idea how fit / sharp the boys would be, how long they’d last, and although (as you say) it was a more away-type performance I thought we had the game’s most likely player to score - Semenyo.  As it happens it was his role as the provider (again) that got the goal.

A little shout out for Paterson too.

I’m sure plenty of fans were probably calling to hook him after an hour as he’d had a very quiet game.  But he does have that bit of quality to unlock a game.  On 70(ish) minutes he should’ve got that shot on target, but it was his reverse pass to Semenyo that created the goal.  Lovely crisp pull back from Semenyo (is he right, left or genuinely two footed?) too.  Gilmartin (on comms) was praising the amount of work he got through and how he’s worked hard on getting back into good positions defensively.

 

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4 hours ago, Hampshire Red said:

Under these weird circumstances of not being at BS3, I would add it probably is the best statistically but the quality has been 'mixed'. 

I am a DH fan as I was a LJ fan when the latter took us on good runs but we should temper our justified satisfaction with our results with an acceptance we are playing some terrible stuff, witness most of yesterday, Boro etc. 

If we had been at the game, the groans and boos at 55 mins could have been heard in Basingstoke! 

CoYRs 

I presume you haven’t taken into account that we’ve had to adapt how we’re playing due to our horrendous injury list . 🙄

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5 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Just been looking through the previous tables and I’m pretty sure 23 points after 12 games is our best start since returning to the Championship 6 seasons ago?  Any statisticians out there able to verify?

 Bristol City (after 12 matches in the same league/division)
  GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison
2020-2021 12 7 2 3 16 11 23 -
2019-2020 12 5 5 2 18 16 20 + 3 pts
2018-2019 12 4 4 4 16 14 16 + 7 pts
2017-2018 12 5 6 1 20 11 21 + 2 pts
2016-2017 12 6 2 4 20 14 20 + 3 pts
2015-2016 12 2 4 6 15 22 10 + 13 pts
2012-2013 12 3 2 7 23 26 11 + 12 pts
2011-2012 12 1 3 8 9 23 6 + 17 pts
2010-2011 12 2 3 7 11 22 9 + 14 pts
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1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:
 Bristol City (after 12 matches in the same league/division)
  GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison
2020-2021 12 7 2 3 16 11 23 -
2019-2020 12 5 5 2 18 16 20 + 3 pts
2018-2019 12 4 4 4 16 14 16 + 7 pts
2017-2018 12 5 6 1 20 11 21 + 2 pts
2016-2017 12 6 2 4 20 14 20 + 3 pts
2015-2016 12 2 4 6 15 22 10 + 13 pts
2012-2013 12 3 2 7 23 26 11 + 12 pts
2011-2012 12 1 3 8 9 23 6 + 17 pts
2010-2011 12 2 3 7 11 22 9 + 14 pts

Skill McGill!

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2 hours ago, bcfc01 said:
 Bristol City (after 12 matches in the same league/division)
  GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison
2020-2021 12 7 2 3 16 11 23 -
2019-2020 12 5 5 2 18 16 20 + 3 pts
2018-2019 12 4 4 4 16 14 16 + 7 pts
2017-2018 12 5 6 1 20 11 21 + 2 pts
2016-2017 12 6 2 4 20 14 20 + 3 pts
2015-2016 12 2 4 6 15 22 10 + 13 pts
2012-2013 12 3 2 7 23 26 11 + 12 pts
2011-2012 12 1 3 8 9 23 6 + 17 pts
2010-2011 12 2 3 7 11 22 9 + 14 pts

The interesting thing in that table is how few goals we have conceded. When you consider that hopefully we will have Baker, Mawson, Mariappa, Williams (DM) and Bakinson (DM) all to add as defensive reinforcements at various points in the season, it is looking good.

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7 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

On the Derby forum, one wag simply said (of us) " Perfect away performance" !

I’m happy with that. It was a football equivalent of Mohammad Ali’s rope a dope tactic   

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6 hours ago, bcfc01 said:
 Bristol City (after 12 matches in the same league/division)
  GP W D L GF GA Pts * Comparison
2020-2021 12 7 2 3 16 11 23 -
2019-2020 12 5 5 2 18 16 20 + 3 pts
2018-2019 12 4 4 4 16 14 16 + 7 pts
2017-2018 12 5 6 1 20 11 21 + 2 pts
2016-2017 12 6 2 4 20 14 20 + 3 pts
2015-2016 12 2 4 6 15 22 10 + 13 pts
2012-2013 12 3 2 7 23 26 11 + 12 pts
2011-2012 12 1 3 8 9 23 6 + 17 pts
2010-2011 12 2 3 7 11 22 9 + 14 pts

If you go back a few more years, you’ll see we had 23 points from the first 12 games in 07/08. 

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On 22/11/2020 at 12:38, steviestevieneville said:

I presume you haven’t taken into account that we’ve had to adapt how we’re playing due to our horrendous injury list . 🙄

Some similarities under LJ in 2019/20 too tbh, in terms of necessity to adapt with injuries- as I recall just off the top of my head, Kalas, DaSilva and Nagy were all out quite early- oh and Afobe. We had to adapt some them too...problem is when they returned the improvement in play didn't necessarily follow as it should have! Have more faith in it doing so this time around. Sure Korey was frequently out early last season too?

On 22/11/2020 at 19:38, tin said:

If you go back a few more years, you’ll see we had 23 points from the first 12 games in 07/08. 

Yep- best since 2007/08 at this level, and I think like for like is best at this start- fantastic start, not least given all the injuries.

20 hours ago, Leveller said:

The table confirms how consistently decent our starts were under LJ too. The time has come to have that consistency last longer into the season.

20 from 12 in 2019/20, 16 from 12 in 2018/19, was it 21 from 12 in 2017/18- this feels more sustainable in some ways than last season, underlying performance wise- and the number of players out and still to return might only add to that.

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On 22/11/2020 at 12:00, robin_unreliant said:

Yes but we only got 1 point from those games. 4 of our 7 wins have been against teams currently in the bottom 5. So you could say the fixtures have been fairly kind. 

What still concerns me a bit is we struggle at AG and are still better away. With there being no crowds I thought this might change. However it seems more a tactical thing in that other sides at home set out to attack us and we seem to struggle to do the same at AG. 

It appears to me that the so-called home advantage isn’t that important in the modern game as so many teams set up to be solid and attack on the counter. 
 

The home team feel a bit ‘ obliged’ to ‘ lead the dance’ and this often leads to being too open and losing. 
 

The empty stadium phenomenon is interesting in how much it affects the team and tactics. When the supporters return will this have a positive or negative effect on our team ? 

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