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1 hour ago, tin said:

It’s not just Williams, several other players have expressed the same concerns according to GeeMcGee. Take that as you will, but to me at least that raises serious questions about the medical staff, who put them in place and why they’re in place.

If you can’t see the long list of serious injuries our players have sustained since 2018 and question why, that’s your choice. 

I really can’t accept that the current injury list is hindered by the medical/physio departments. It’s absolute nonsense.

These guys are well qualified and experts in their field and for some local hack to spread largely unfounded rumours is disgraceful Imv. There is absolutely zero hard evidence other perhaps than an angry player who can’t seem to get fit and blaming the physio department.

They all work under the Bristol Sport umbrella and undoubtedly share various difficult injuries with each other, The rugby and basketball ball along with the City medical/physio guys surely must share their expertise amongst each other - it makes perfect sense to have a team all working for Bristol Sport rather than three independent departments working in isolation with each sport.

Ive met and heard GMcG and he’s comes over as a decent enough guy but I’m certainly questioning his journalistic skills after this ‘revelation’ in the Post.

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22 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I really can’t accept that the current injury list is hindered by the medical/physio departments. It’s absolute nonsense.

These guys are well qualified and experts in their field and for some local hack to spread largely unfounded rumours is disgraceful Imv. There is absolutely zero hard evidence other perhaps than an angry player who can’t seem to get fit and blaming the physio department.

They all work under the Bristol Sport umbrella and undoubtedly share various difficult injuries with each other, The rugby and basketball ball along with the City medical/physio guys surely must share their expertise amongst each other - it makes perfect sense to have a team all working for Bristol Sport rather than three independent departments working in isolation with each sport.

Ive met and heard GMcG and he’s comes over as a decent enough guy but I’m certainly questioning his journalistic skills after this ‘revelation’ in the Post.

For Bristol Sport, replace with Pula Sport.  Pula Sport is the Umbrella / Overarching Company....but I get what you mean.

Gregor is reporting that Williams (others?) are unhappy with the medical department.  That may be 100% true.  But what we don’t know is whether his unhappiness is through the medical team’s incompetence or not.

FWIW I’m not too fussed about the story per se....just want the players back fit.

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

For Bristol Sport, replace with Pula Sport.  Pula Sport is the Umbrella / Overarching Company....but I get what you mean.

Gregor is reporting that Williams (others?) are unhappy with the medical department.  That may be 100% true.  But what we don’t know is whether his unhappiness is through the medical team’s incompetence or not.

FWIW I’m not too fussed about the story per se....just want the players back fit.

was he robin a living or just a good Van driver? 

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9 hours ago, Robbored said:

I really can’t accept that the current injury list is hindered by the medical/physio departments. It’s absolute nonsense.

That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. 

These guys are well qualified and experts in their field and for some local hack to spread largely unfounded rumours is disgraceful Imv. There is absolutely zero hard evidence other perhaps than an angry player who can’t seem to get fit and blaming the physio department.

Do you ignore Rolls’ well documented track record for negligence at Arsenal and West Ham? If you deal in facts, he’s been sacked by both of those clubs for overseeing squads besieged with injuries. Our current injury list is factual evidence of history repeating itself. 

Unfounded rumours? Do you know how journalism works at all? Usually a reporter will speak to at least two sources to substantiate any ‘rumour’ then use their judgment whether or not to print it. The editor needs to see those sources as well. 

They all work under the Bristol Sport umbrella and undoubtedly share various difficult injuries with each other, The rugby and basketball ball along with the City medical/physio guys surely must share their expertise amongst each other - it makes perfect sense to have a team all working for Bristol Sport rather than three independent departments working in isolation with each sport.

Do you have factual evidence that the clubs under the BS umbrella share injuries? I’d like to see that on the official site if possible. The Bears’ injury record is far better than ours. 

Ive met and heard GMcG and he’s comes over as a decent enough guy but I’m certainly questioning his journalistic skills after this ‘revelation’ in the Post.

You’ve contradicted yourself again. You say you only deal in facts and the fact you choose to ignore here is the story broke on The Athletic first. The Athletic has the best sports editorial team in the country. Gregor’s simply followed that up like any decent local reporter would. He presumably spoke to other players or agents to confirm it’s true before going to print. 

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3 hours ago, tin said:

Reply in bold. 

For info, I know the Basketball guys have used the Football medical team....but in fairness for Basketball we are talking a “one man medical team” who’s not full-time.

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17 hours ago, Davefevs said:

My first meniscus op, I was back playing in 4 weeks.  The next two were 2-3 monthers.

Dave - there is a school of thought amongst some orthopaedic surgeons (perhaps those not driven by the need to operate) that if you can let a meniscus tear (even a medial one) heal without an operation then that would be better long-term and potentially carries less risk. Obviously I am not a professional and have time to take 4-5 months, which they don’t, but the overall point was that going slower to start with and building gradually might end up with a better result than pushing too hard too soon, and either aggravating the original injury or causing another by overcompensating. That appears to have been part of the complaint against the medical team.

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12 hours ago, Robbored said:

I really can’t accept that the current injury list is hindered by the medical/physio departments. It’s absolute nonsense.

These guys are well qualified and experts in their field and for some local hack to spread largely unfounded rumours is disgraceful Imv. There is absolutely zero hard evidence other perhaps than an angry player who can’t seem to get fit and blaming the physio department.

They all work under the Bristol Sport umbrella and undoubtedly share various difficult injuries with each other, The rugby and basketball ball along with the City medical/physio guys surely must share their expertise amongst each other - it makes perfect sense to have a team all working for Bristol Sport rather than three independent departments working in isolation with each sport.

Ive met and heard GMcG and he’s comes over as a decent enough guy but I’m certainly questioning his journalistic skills after this ‘revelation’ in the Post.

A perfect example of someone who knows nothing thinking they know everything.

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13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Nor does alleged discontent with the medical team mean discontent with Holden either, he might be just as pissed off too.

As I suggested upthread, you can bet it's come up as a topic of conversation during his chats with Allardyce, given that he was at West Ham at the same time as Andy Rolls.

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3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Dave - there is a school of thought amongst some orthopaedic surgeons (perhaps those not driven by the need to operate) that if you can let a meniscus tear (even a medial one) heal without an operation then that would be better long-term and potentially carries less risk. Obviously I am not a professional and have time to take 4-5 months, which they don’t, but the overall point was that going slower to start with and building gradually might end up with a better result than pushing too hard too soon, and either aggravating the original injury or causing another by overcompensating. That appears to have been part of the complaint against the medical team.

Guess that depends on the extent of the tear, e.g. can you let a bit of gradual wear and tear (no pun) shirt itself out?

In terms of medical team rumblings, Williams did his thigh (and now hamstring), so not meniscus.  Or are you saying general approach is to work all injuries too hard too quickly.  If so, then yes, sometimes you have to let nature takes its course.

As for me, I have no cartilage in my left knee and about a 1/3 in my right knee.

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Guess that depends on the extent of the tear, e.g. can you let a bit of gradual wear and tear (no pun) shirt itself out?

In terms of medical team rumblings, Williams did his thigh (and now hamstring), so not meniscus.  Or are you saying general approach is to work all injuries too hard too quickly.  If so, then yes, sometimes you have to let nature takes its course.

As for me, I have no cartilage in my left knee and about a 1/3 in my right knee.

Early rehab is very much in vogue these days, but it’s also well appreciated that going too hard too fast can cause more problems. The pressure on teams to get players back too soon can quickly need to another injury and I am sure we can all think of examples.

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3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Early rehab is very much in vogue these days, but it’s also well appreciated that going too hard too fast can cause more problems. The pressure on teams to get players back too soon can quickly need to another injury and I am sure we can all think of examples.

The interesting thing is that with City is that I’m always surprised how long the initial injury estimate is.  It’s not so much setbacks driving an elongated recovery timeline, but that the initial “he will be out for 10-12 weeks” type thing.  What happened to the little niggle where you only miss one or two games.  How many of those do we get.

Its why many weeks ago when we went through an intense period of games I asked Gregor to ask Holden how much Sports Science influences who is fit to play, who is close to fatigue.  The answer back from Dean was “we take everything into account” without really answering.  The successful sports science will predict the point of fatigue (like AC Milan did) and pull players out.  You don’t get a Callum O’Dowda hamstring injury 70 minutes into a game when he’s fully warm if that’s the case.  The AC Milan players were not happy initially that they were missing a game, but across the season they saw they played more minutes than previous seasons.

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