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Norwich City v CITY Official Matchday Thread


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2 minutes ago, handballbygordonparr said:

 I'm not convinced that 'vastly different' is valid. Unless you are saying it is not possible for us to lose a leading goal scorer through injury or something else.

Hull's GD at week 22/24 was about +4. Ours is -1. So our position is not bomb proof and we need significant improvements all over the park very quickly or we could face an uncomfortable end of season.

 

 

We have conceded 26 goals from 24.

Hull had conceded 33 from 24 last season.

In January last season they sold Bowen and Grosicki, who between them were responsible via goals and assists for the vast majority of their goals.

So they had a worse defense than us, and got rid of 2 players who were directly responsible for 75%+ (no exaggeration) of their goals up to that point. 

 

Now I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you are being deliberately dishonest when you say you don't see the difference, because if you genuinely cannot then there is no point is wasting any more time in discussion with you.

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Think the best word to describe where we’re at is ‘dysfunctional’. 

We're a mess, on and off the field. 

 

I just look at us tonight. Playing away to quality opposition with two target men attackers and a weak midfield, playing players out position, a gung-ho and naive 4 forwards at the end. It’s basic stuff. We’re playing dumb, not smart. 

No wonder the commentators say we lack belief. The players must be wondering what the hell is going on. 

 

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3 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

Norwich will win the league this year, and have players that are top flight quality. I can think of at least 5, possibly more. Farke is a very good manager. Disappointing performance but if we were offered 3 points from Preston and Norwich...

Onto the cup weekend. COYR.

Millwall away. Cup run over

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1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said:

We have conceded 26 goals from 24.

Hull had conceded 33 from 24 last season.

In January last season they sold Bowen and Grosicki, who between them were responsible via goals and assists for the vast majority of their goals.

So they had a worse defense than us, and got rid of 2 players who were directly responsible for 75%+ (no exaggeration) of their goals up to that point. 

 

Now I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you are being deliberately dishonest when you say you don't see the difference, because if you genuinely cannot then there is no point is wasting any more time in discussion with you.

Geeze you really need to learn social skills. Not sure who you think you are but all you do is come on here flaunting your ego and telling everyone how wrong they are and how right you are.

You need to relax mate because you are incredibly confrontational and its obviously causing you alot of stress.

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28 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

mawson is the only real player we have back from injury,palmer and adelukun are only back because we had the under 23s making up the bench. we would have lost by a few more if pukki had been playing and we were at squad level 2-3 weeks  ago

Hang on, Pukki's replacement scored both the goals, so your argument doesn't really stack up.

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6 minutes ago, bexhill reds said:

Would you not accept that our form since Barnsley has been that of a team closer to relegation than top 6. Another game with ZERO shots on goal and a 20+ goal a season man playing on the wing. We’ll stay up because of our start and because Wycombe means that realistically there are only 2 relegation places to play for. We are just not an enjoyable watch anymore, even for a die hard like me.

Yes, I accept we have been in bad form since the Barnsley game.

At no point have I suggested otherwise. 

 

We'll stay up because over 46 games we will have got more points than 3 other teams, be that Wycombe and 2 others or just 3 other teams.

Even in 2016-17 when we went 23 games in dire form we ended the season with close to top 6 form, and until November we were top 6.

The fact that in January that year we couldn't buy a win didn't mean we would stay in that form until the season ended.

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2 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Geeze you really need to learn social skills. Not sure who you think you are but all you do is come on here flaunting your ego and telling everyone how wrong they are and how right you are.

You need to relax mate because you are incredibly confrontational and its obviously causing you alot of stress.

I'd be less confrontational if people weren't actively lying about things to start with.

I did give a far more polite to the person the first time I responded to them.

I even referred back to it the second time I responded to them. 

The fact they still ignored the pertinent points from it means I'm less inclined to respond politely the third time.

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Forgetting individuals tonight, as a team, for all the good things Saturday, we were poor tonight.  Lack of physicality a big problem, which was a shame, because when we did show a little bit, it really put Norwich off their stride....just not for long enough.

I really wanted someone to “boot” one of their players.

Wasn't a “we went down fighting” performance was it.

Guessing we will see some changes for cup games Saturday.

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The difference between us and Norwich was huge.

They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature.

I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along.

Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. 

This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad.

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2 minutes ago, spudski said:

The difference between us and Norwich was huge.

They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature.

I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along.

Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. 

This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad.

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1 minute ago, spudski said:

The difference between us and Norwich was huge.

They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature.

I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along.

Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. 

This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad.

That’s a very harsh assessment Spudski.........:cool2: 

You have to appreciate that Norwich are top of Championship for a reason - they’re a very decent well organised outfit who regularly snifle the opposition and that’s what happened to City tonight.We barely created a chance - thanks to the opposition.

 

I doubt that any of us were expecting to avoid defeat at Carrow Rd for exactly those reasons,

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7 minutes ago, spudski said:

The difference between us and Norwich was huge.

They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature.

I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along.

Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. 

This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad.

We even make the crap teams look good and well organised. We’ve been like it for a few seasons now, no real system or pattern of play 

We even made Wycombe look decent ffs 

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

That’s a very harsh assessment Spudski.........:cool2: 

You have to appreciate that Norwich are top of Championship for a reason - they’re a very decent well organised outfit who regularly snifle the opposition and that’s what happened to City tonight.We barely created a chance - thanks to the opposition.

 

I doubt that any of us were expecting to avoid defeat at Carrow Rd for exactly those reasons,

You can expect a bit more desire, organisation, and a game plan to at least have a chance though - lots of teams we are (supposedly) comfortably better than manage to do that to us when we play them. Why can't we do it to Norwich, even to a level where we feel competitive.

I'd have accepted the defeat if I felt we did the above, personally.

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5 minutes ago, spudski said:

The difference between us and Norwich was huge.

They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature.

I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along.

Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. 

This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad.

Couldn't agree more. Even though the movement was non existent the times players had the ball in space and couldn't play a ten yard pass to someone unmarked was astounding.

Have seen many unattractive sides over the years down the gate but this ranks alongside the worse. 

it's scary to me that the player with the most vision and passing ability is Mawson who's not even our player.

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Poor display against a side that comfortably won while not exceeding third gear.

Our only plan is to go backwards when confronted by the opponents almost anywhere on the pitch.

We will be safe this season but next one? Rudderless, square pegs in round holes. Some not up to playing at this level. Absolute caution instead of "having a go" and trying to upset their comfortable game.

Seemed like we expect to lose so why bother.

PS, some excluded from previous comments but no team will ever win any match with only four to six trying.

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

That’s a very harsh assessment Spudski.........:cool2: 

You have to appreciate that Norwich are top of Championship for a reason - they’re a very decent well organised outfit who regularly snifle the opposition and that’s what happened to City tonight.We barely created a chance - thanks to the opposition.

 

I doubt that any of us were expecting to avoid defeat at Carrow Rd for exactly those reasons,

I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo.

We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc.

It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side.

We look the same going forward regardless of who we play.

There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. 

Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate.

Someone new needs to come in and shake things up.

That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo.

We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing.

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1 minute ago, spudski said:

I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo.

We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc.

It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side.

We look the same going forward regardless of who we play.

There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. 

Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate.

Someone new needs to come in and shake things up.

That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo.

We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing.

We ‘kept shape’ like 10 training dummies , whilst Norwich cut through us at will 

Application , intelligence and effort Embarrassing 

We were actually bullied by their ‘footballers’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣

(And Totally And utterly outplayed)

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1 minute ago, spudski said:

I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo.

We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc.

It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side.

We look the same going forward regardless of who we play.

There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. 

Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate.

Someone new needs to come in and shake things up.

That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo.

We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing.

I normally wait until the day after to add my rambling thoughts on a game, mostly to calm down and think or maybe look at the goals again. Tonight was a car crash waiting to happen from the minute I saw the team sheet. Against a side who's movement is brilliant, who's midfield made us look stupid last Time out and currently sit top of the table, while seemingly easily beating all before them. We send out Palmer & Adelakun in a MF role that relies on them hunting down opposition players. We set up to give some very good wide players all the room they could wish for, and why ? Well it worked against PNE ?
I have defended Holden before, he has been hammered by injury and illness, but some decisions are bordering on madness. He's not getting the best out of the players we have available and not only that, he seems to have managed to make some players worse. 
His substitutions make LJ look like a genius. Usually reactive, usually late and usually just throw another forward at it, mainly pointless. I would also ask, what does he see in Martin to play him however he's played previously (not a reflection on tonight), and what does he see in playing our most clinical Box striker on the wing?
He's not getting sacked any time soon, minimum here until the end of the year, but it feels more and more like we need a overhaul of head coach, the link to the board and the amount of say non football people have to affect the team. Again , ain't gonna happen, and I don't think I'll enjoy the ride.

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8 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

27 pages and counting...........we only had 21 when we won well against PNE............it just goes to show   (I don't know what, but something )!                    :dunno:

Probably shows more on here think the Titanic is sinking than those that think it's staying afloat.

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39 minutes ago, spudski said:

I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo.

We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc.

It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side.

We look the same going forward regardless of who we play.

There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. 

Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate.

Someone new needs to come in and shake things up.

That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo.

We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing.

It’s been cosy for too long.  The upward challenge has been non-existent since Cotts.

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