Tin Soldier Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, !james said: "Rumours are that he fell out with the owner and chief exec who like to micromanage everything and I think NP had had enough" "He got the squad morale improved. Put an arm around the players shoulders. Then tried to knock sense into some and there was a fracas behind the scenes. Spoke his mind and was removed." Which is why Ashton needs to **** off for this to work IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Surely Pearson wouldn’t agree to working with anyone other than his own coaches? He can’t be that desperate for work! He only brought in Craig Shakespeare as his assistant when he took on the short term role at Watford. He kept on Hayden Mullins/Graham Stack who were the temporary managers/coaches at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: One interesting comment made to me on Twitter - “He’ll bang some skulls together. Some chairmen think they want this, then realise it’s not for them when it happens.” Explains why he had short stops in some places. Personally, I think his style and obvious intelligence is a great fit for us. Also, one of the top traits of his teams is organisation. That is currently what we’re lacking. Let’s do this. We’ve been too nice as a club , and I think Pearson will maybe change our culture both on and off the pitch or certainly give something to think about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 38 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: My only concern with this is it sounds like he needs to be surrounded by an elite coaching team that will take day-to-day training. If he is a manager that coaches, then he'll be more reliant on his coaching team. On this basis I really hope he brings his own men in, because as of now I don't have a lot of faith in Simpson and Downing. Me neither, though in their defence the injuries, short pre-season and volume of games mean it will have been hard to get their ideas across. Maybe they will be galvanised by the arrival of an experienced manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, old_eastender said: wouldn't that be like a Turkey voting for Xmas? Or Scottish fishermen voting for Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: My only concern with this is it sounds like he needs to be surrounded by an elite coaching team that will take day-to-day training. If he is a manager that coaches, then he'll be more reliant on his coaching team. On this basis I really hope he brings his own men in, because as of now I don't have a lot of faith in Simpson and Downing. I understand that Downing & Simpson are not popular at the moment but is there any evidence that their coaching is inadequate under the right leadership? They might not be management material (plenty of good coaches aren't) but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: One interesting comment made to me on Twitter - “He’ll bang some skulls together. Some chairmen think they want this, then realise it’s not for them when it happens.” Explains why he had short stops in some places. Personally, I think his style and obvious intelligence is a great fit for us. Also, one of the top traits of his teams is organisation. That is currently what we’re lacking. Let’s do this. He’s a wolf in ostrich’s clothing. Can’t wait for the complacent attitudes at all levels to be exposed and challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 The Pat Lam of the football world for me. Smart, experienced, disciplinarian .. what could possibly go wrong with our bunch of fannies? Ideal. Well done Steve. A bold choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, sinenomine said: I understand that Downing & Simpson are not popular at the moment but is there any evidence that their coaching is inadequate under the right leadership? They might not be management material (plenty of good coaches aren't) but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good coaches. I'd argue the evidence is that since they came in the team has started to lose the ability to do the basics - and it has just got worse and worse and worse. Now we have a less than 50% pass rate completion and can't defend set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Not an appointment that I expected but if this is true then I see it as good news. Good record as a manager in this league and after LJ and DH we need a manager with a different personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Isawjonshaw said: I thought it was Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention!? In which case will it be 'A Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 I can’t imagine Pearson would agree to come in without his own backroom staff. Surely this is the end of Simpson and Downing? I bloody hope so anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 I might be very naive about the personalities at our club, but I can’t imagine that Pearson will have to get the hairdryer out for many of our boys - they’re all too nice. If anything, he needs to bring out their ruthless side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, sinenomine said: I understand that Downing & Simpson are not popular at the moment but is there any evidence that their coaching is inadequate under the right leadership? They might not be management material (plenty of good coaches aren't) but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good coaches. Yes, the evidence is the absolute shambolic performances of the players. Worst coached set of individuals and as a team I can remember. Can't create chances, can't win corners, can't cross the ball, can't pass, can't take throw ins properly etc etc. Performances should improve under Pearson but it doesn't escape the fact that the coaching of this squad has been very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Views of Watford supporters: Nigel Pearson | WFC Forums Given from the outside it looked like he did a good job there and was harshly dismissed, it's a little surprising to see a mixed bag of comments on They get to judge managers every 4 months though. Spoilt for a tin pot club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, sinenomine said: I understand that Downing & Simpson are not popular at the moment but is there any evidence that their coaching is inadequate under the right leadership? They might not be management material (plenty of good coaches aren't) but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't good coaches. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I'd argue the evidence is that since they came in the team has started to lose the ability to do the basics - and it has just got worse and worse and worse. Now we have a less than 50% pass rate completion and can't defend set pieces. It's a fair point. I honestly have no idea how much of that is down to Holden or Downing & Simpson or the players (who must take a decent portion of the responsibility for not being able to get basic schoolboy football right). For me the jury is out. Won't hang them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Gakoe said: I posted on another thread that there was zero chance of appointing him. I didn't think SL and MA would have the balls for such a character. God I hope I'm wrong Same here. Top pedigree manager, us looking up rather than down (or sideways) for a replacement. I don’t doubt for one minute his quality, I just didn’t think SL/MA would go for him, nor him for us. Much as I’d like it longer than short-term, I suspect as others have suggested it gives a sensible get-out on both sides. 4 hours ago, JonDolman said: Pearson will have to follow the club philosophy. To be fair he has signed a lot of young players in the past. With our academy players coming through, I think it will be similar to others that are now part of our squad. Do well out on loan ideally in league one, or possibly in league two like Bakinson, and then they will be back as part of our squad the next season if ready. I've never really been that keen on youngsters playing if they don't look ready in training. The likes of Towler and Owura most likely need a loan next season. That might be all they need to then come back ready. Obviously we will every now and then get a superb talent like Kelly that doesn't even need a loan. Tins seems to think Alex Scott could be ready for first team action soon. So maybe he's one like that. I don't see why some think it's a bad model. The signings of players in their early 20s have not been quite so impressive recently, so hopefully Pearson helps improve that. The club have shown they are willing to bring in experienced players who are likely on high wages if that's what the manager wants. Holden clearly wanted that and got it. Things can always been improved and I'm hoping Pearson does that on the recruitment side. But the way we work I think is the right way and just needs that right manager to make it work better imo. I'm still far more concerned about the injuries than I am anything else and I'm hoping Pearson will identify something in that and will challenge the club and suggest changes to hopefully prevent so many of them in the future. Think we need to worry about recruitment and loans when the time comes. I fully expect him to keep us in this division this season, but with window shut I can’t see us going out into the OOC market. Hopefully some left sided players are back soon, but Sessegnon’s return helps. Funny you mention Alex Scott....I’ve heard good things, and the fact that he is usually selected over Benarous must mean he’s well thought of too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: My only concern with this is it sounds like he needs to be surrounded by an elite coaching team that will take day-to-day training. If he is a manager that coaches, then he'll be more reliant on his coaching team. On this basis I really hope he brings his own men in, because as of now I don't have a lot of faith in Simpson and Downing. I’m guessing he may be expected to work with the current coaches until the end of the season and then will be offered a permanent deal if it’s in everyone’s interests, and given free reign to bring his own team in? Here’s hoping because on the evidence of what we’ve seen on the pitch our coaching is horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, The Bard said: They get to judge managers every 4 months though. Spoilt for a tin pot club True. It is a slight concern though that you really have to go back to 2014/15 for the last time Pearson did an impressive job at a club - Leicester. Did not do well at Derby or in Belgium with Leuven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Well let’s hope this appointment comes to pass as I believe it will shake things up. Bet Kalas will be pleased, and a few others like Wells too. For others a choice of knuckle down or get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 It will be interesting if it happens for our coaches if they stay. Instead of a clueless novice where they maybe felt they had the greater knowledge they will have to deal with vastly experienced and successful player and manager. They will come under the spotlight in a way they have not been used to. In other words they will really have to earn their wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erndogz Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 I guess this has been posted in the thread somewhere but I enjoyed this interview with NP https://fcbusiness.co.uk/news/managing-in-the-modern-game-nigel-pearson-the-leader/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Whether Pearson is in place tomorrow night or not, I expect the players to miraculously improve on recent showings. Almost like they are trying harder I hope Tomas Kalas tells him who the lazy bastards are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 The question is whether Pearson's no nonsense approach will be right for our players. Will they be motivated or will they crumble under such discipline? After all, they haven't proved themselves to be tough nuts so far. Nigel may have to bring some cotton wool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Same here. Top pedigree manager, us looking up rather than down (or sideways) for a replacement. I don’t doubt for one minute his quality, I just didn’t think SL/MA would go for him, nor him for us. Much as I’d like it longer than short-term, I suspect as others have suggested it gives a sensible get-out on both sides. Think we need to worry about recruitment and loans when the time comes. I fully expect him to keep us in this division this season, but with window shut I can’t see us going out into the OOC market. Hopefully some left sided players are back soon, but Sessegnon’s return helps. Funny you mention Alex Scott....I’ve heard good things, and the fact that he is usually selected over Benarous must mean he’s well thought of too. Not this Alex Scott then?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: True. It is a slight concern though that you really have to go back to 2014/15 for the last time Pearson did an impressive job at a club - Leicester. Did not do well at Derby or in Belgium with Leuven. He did a very good job at Watford. They were all but down when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: True. It is a slight concern though that you really have to go back to 2014/15 for the last time Pearson did an impressive job at a club - Leicester. Did not do well at Derby or in Belgium with Leuven. my worry as well, can't stop thinking about how bad SOD was for us despite what he did for Doncaster - a short term contract til end of season is def the best way to go IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yes, the evidence is the absolute shambolic performances of the players. Worst coached set of individuals and as a team I can remember. Can't create chances, can't win corners, can't cross the ball, can't pass, can't take throw ins properly etc etc. Performances should improve under Pearson but it doesn't escape the fact that the coaching of this squad has been very poor. It'll be interesting to see if these basics improve if these coaches remain under a new gaffer. I accept your point and I don't think they should get away with not being scrutinised but I don't know how much of the recent inability of this squad is down to Holden's leadership or the players themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted February 22, 2021 Report Share Posted February 22, 2021 14 hours ago, lenred said: ‘Do you want a fight?’ It is a fight you will loose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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