Wiltshire robin Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, mozo said: See my post above. We're the wars funny?! Nope , there’s nothing funny about molesting sheep either but we still sing about it to Cardiff and swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, walnutroof said: I happened to cycle past a pub yesterday where people were signing this loudly and it just sounded so cringey, why can’t England fans sing something that’s positive like the welsh and scots fans seem to manage to Because English nationalism is completely backward looking, hankering after a past when (through very rose tinted glasses) we were a 'great nation'. English nationalism's view of the future is largely about going back to the 40s, the 50s or whatever. Scottish and Welsh nationalism is much more progressive, looking forward to a better future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Nope , there’s nothing funny about molesting sheep either but we still sing about it to Cardiff and swansea But they still do it (don't they? ). It wasn't 80 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 50 minutes ago, Calculus said: You do wonder what goes through these peoples 'brains'. My father was evacuated from the beach at Dunkirk and saw his best mate shot dead right next to him. Like most of that generation who saw action he never wanted to talk about the war. Lest we forget? This is exactly the opposite of that. If you want to pay your respects go down to the centre on Rembrance Day and be silent for a couple of minutes. Spot on...post of the day. Similar for my Dad, but what he did talk about was a passion for reconciliation, for nations moving on from their past and for working together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, Robin-hugh-blind said: Such a nice guy. Sorry if my post offended you enough to call me an idiot. Smart jibe man, wish I was as cleaver as you ! To be fair, he had to explain it in terms he knew you would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 What is always at the forefront of my mind is that, if it wasn’t for my Grandfather, I’d probably be speaking German by now. And that’s why I’ve still not forgiven the bastard for stealing my textbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiltshire robin said: The Germans find it funny banter and aren’t offended by it so don’t see the problem They're laughing at the fans who sing it rather than with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 Silliness aside, I don’t get this thread at all. I don’t imagine the Danes are going to be singing songs about the Vikings and the Celts later. I’ve never heard France sing about arrows in people’s eyes during an England - France game so why would we sing about World War II. What is notable to me is I’ve never heard someone who actually fought in World War II sing it and the point was made earlier that many who did fight in the war understood the gravity of was not to be trivialised. It seems to be exclusively sung by those too young to have fought in the war who want to claim credit for a victory they did nothing to bring about. It‘s not necessarily offensive but it is certainly embarrassing and disrespectful to those who made sacrifices and suffered losses in World War II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Loco Rojo said: What the **** are you talking about? Being told not to sing it is not trying to erase history. Singing a chant about WW2 at a football match just because we're playing the Germans is ******* tin pot. Time and place - that chant doesn't pay any form of respect. It's meant to antagonise opposition fans (the vast majority of which I'm sure are hugely ashamed of their countries history). This is intended not to pay respect but try to stir up trouble. Lest we forget??? Chanting that at a football match does not show respect to the memory of the heros and innocent victims (on boths sides) of WW2. This is right up there with The Sun/Dailymail sensationalist headlines that will probably reference the Hun/ dad's army at some point. Well said. No wonder a lot of the rest of the world dislike us as a country. Germany is not proud of the Nazi party uprising under Hitler, they try to educate their folk that it was a terrible thing. We are uneducated, “we won the war” bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 The obsession with war in this country is ******* weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 phew surfing servicemen across crowds like Bristol City did while humming the dambusters tune in a Munich beer hall before the 5-2 is still ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 phew surfing servicemen across crowds like Bristol City did while humming the dambusters tune in a Munich beer hall before the 5-1 is still ok. Will the England band set list have to be a pc as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 Boring as **** popping back in here for Bristol City news and views only to see it taken over by culture war bollocks. People making every space a battleground; absolutely tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Robin-hugh-blind said: England fans signing this at Wembley are going to be banned. My view, sod that! Sing it louder than ever. Lest we forget! This is a reminder of a horrible war but why try and erase history. Make sure it never happens again by remembering. For those who say it's political, its not. It's a matter of fact. There were German bombers, the RAF did shoot them down. This isn't a view or opinion. Stopped singing about the war and the IRA about 30 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 21 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Silliness aside, I don’t get this thread at all. I don’t imagine the Danes are going to be singing songs about the Vikings and the Celts later. I’ve never heard France sing about arrows in people’s eyes during an England - France game so why would we sing about World War II. What is notable to me is I’ve never heard someone who actually fought in World War II sing it and the point was made earlier that many who did fight in the war understood the gravity of was not to be trivialised. It seems to be exclusively sung by those too young to have fought in the war who want to claim credit for a victory they did nothing to bring about. It‘s not necessarily offensive but it is certainly embarrassing and disrespectful to those who made sacrifices and suffered losses in World War II. Couldn’t agree more. The greatest generation would frown on people signing it. Nothing about freedom of speech or PC culture; everything to do about little, thick as **** people wanting to claim superiority for stuff they had nothing to do with. Hope the brain donors who think their clever by singing this to try get a rise off the opposition have an absolute shit weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 minute ago, sticks 1969 said: Stopped singing about the war and the IRA about 30 years ago That isn't correct Sticks. Lot of Bristol City lads still sing about the war on England trips. You do know them. The Three Lions boys, Taunton, the City lads from Briz and on. Working lads class lads in the main, some of whom are ex services and it is part of their culture of supporting England. At the heart of this is a culture war. The lads who have supported England for decades across the Country and the younger fans who come from the same class and culture think differently. The laughs, the banter is seen as unwelcome, uncouth, loutish .. They are an unwanted culture now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, TBW said: Nah, you're an idiot. Whats all this? We'll have no trouble here .... Are you one of those lefty intellectuals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, samo II said: Couldn’t agree more. The greatest generation would frown on people signing it. Nothing about freedom of speech or PC culture; everything to do about little, thick as **** people wanting to claim superiority for stuff they had nothing to do with. Hope the brain donors who think their clever by singing this to try get a rise off the opposition have an absolute shit weekend. Good post and a lot of the idiots who chant that shit wouldn't have realised we weren't at war with the German people but with a Nazi regime who dictated decent folk or faced the consequences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchers Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 We must forgive and forget ww2 but never forget slavery. Confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 34 minutes ago, Red7 said: They're laughing at the fans who sing it rather than with them. Nope when we beat Germany 3-2 there fans before and after the game said they like it and it great banter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, fatchers said: We must forgive and forget ww2 but never forget slavery. Confusing No one saying forget, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, italian dave said: Because English nationalism is completely backward looking, hankering after a past when (through very rose tinted glasses) we were a 'great nation'. English nationalism's view of the future is largely about going back to the 40s, the 50s or whatever. Scottish and Welsh nationalism is much more progressive, looking forward to a better future. This makes me piss myself! Scottish independence is based largely on backward looking, emotive nonsense, there’s nothing progressive about it. Show me the group of people where this doesn’t happen? Labelling it as an ‘English’ thing is an uneducated point that verges on hilarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 30 minutes ago, petehinton said: The obsession with war in this country is ******* weird Do you think Victorian Englishmen in the 1890s sang songs about the Battle of Waterloo (1815)? I suspect not. WW2 ended more than three-quarters of a century ago. You're right that the obsession some folk have with it is bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 Stupid song . There was more than 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cowshed said: That isn't correct Sticks. Lot of Bristol City lads still sing about the war on England trips. You do know them. The Three Lions boys, Taunton, the City lads from Briz and on. Working lads class lads in the main, some of whom are ex services and it is part of their culture of supporting England. At the heart of this is a culture war. The lads who have supported England for decades across the Country and the younger fans who come from the same class and culture think differently. The laughs, the banter is seen as unwelcome, uncouth, loutish .. They are an unwanted culture now. Agree with where your coming from mate and just glad Facebook etc was not about 30 years ago with things I got up to . England away back then was 10 time better but so was watching city ... football has changed I look at pictures of when I first started going and very very few women went were now a lot more go and I think that’s makes a big difference. But one thing never changes and that is the fun I have going away and meting all the guys you mentioned above plus folk from other clubs iv meet over the years in fact I’m going with a leeds fan Tuesday that I meet in Poland in 91 . I will probably know you but very few go under there name on here admittedly my real name is not stick but who the Fock knows jason :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 I have no opinion either way on whether it’s right to sing it or not…..but christ, this place is softer than a marshmallow. If you do some research and look up some of the songs the soldiers themselves were singing during the war, i highly doubt they would be offended by what the England fans sing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Do you think Victorian Englishmen in the 1890s sang songs about the Battle of Waterloo (1815)? I suspect not. WW2 ended more than three-quarters of a century ago. You're right that the obsession some folk have with it is bizarre. I wouldn’t know. I’m sure the Scot and Irish sing about what are now largely irrelevant wars and battles. I couldn’t agree more that it’s sad and pointless, but it seems to be prevalent in almost all cultures and societies. There are many flaws inherent to our species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 **** me, have The Sun photoshopped Southgate and Grealish to look like Tommies yet as we go to war with The Hun again on Tuesday? Really need to let that crap go and move on, it's embarrassing. Let the football do the talking. It will always be a fixture with an edge but that's due to rivalry and past encounters on the pitch more than anything else for me (that Andy Moller celebration in 96 for starters!). Don't really hear much of a fuss if we play other counties that we're axis allies, e.g Italy or Japan. So forget WW2, it's a football match FFS. I hope it's a classic and for once the Germans don't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Davey Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Do you think Victorian Englishmen in the 1890s sang songs about the Battle of Waterloo (1815)? I suspect not. WW2 ended more than three-quarters of a century ago. You're right that the obsession some folk have with it is bizarre. they sung songs about napolean being a short ass hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 26, 2021 Report Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Thank you @Loco Rojo I worked in UK for a German company. Best employer I ever had. My German boss, born ten years after the war, was deeply ashamed of what his country had done during the Hitler regime and so were many others I met in the company. IMO, utterly wrong that we have morons who are no better than the scum they are referring to. So the people singing it are no better than the nazi’s ? Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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