BLRed Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Anyone have any idea what our aim is at corners? There never seems to be a plan or any thoughtful/Planned movement nor does the corner taken ever seem to be aimed for anyone specifically. I feel there are so many opportunities wasted at set pieces that are just taken aimlessly in the hope something happens. Missing a trick here with tall players like atkinson and baker in the team. Also wonder why o’dowda takes corners when James is by far the better set piece taker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Joe Williams will probably take a lot of corners when he’s back in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Joe Williams will probably take a lot of corners when he’s back in the team. Hope so, as O'Dowda is terrible, just lump it in the box and hope for the best - if it gets past the first man of course. I agree with @BOSRed, there doesn't appear to be any plan when taking corners, just hit and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Our corners, free kicks, and throw ins have been crap for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coin-op Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 I'm just glad that we don't pass it back to the goalie any more! Seemed like it happened every time from a corner or freekick last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 To be fair to O’Dowda, the first couple he put in missed the first man and we’re around the near post - where we had no one attacking. Why didn’t we have a runner attacking the near post area? To me it looked like we must’ve been getting our signs wrong or back to front! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Why play him out of position? Keep saying round pegs / round holes….then we want to play someone elsewhere. Nige has said he wants to give his young players the best environment to succeed. Playing Scott wide left is not doing that. We’ve seen Janneh and now Bell look promising wide left. If we don’t play O’Dowda, it should be one of them first. Who knows Scott may start next week….but it’s not a “must start” for me. He’s probably still building his fitness too, having missed Loughborough. Think he actually enjoys playing off the left. Spent a wedge of time where his starting position was out left against Exeter. Anyhow, the ‘Number 10’ role is dying, and most of that sort are being pushed wide, or a bit deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, James54De said: Think he actually enjoys playing off the left. Spent a wedge of time where his starting position was out left against Exeter. Anyhow, the ‘Number 10’ role is dying, and most of that sort are being pushed wide, or a bit deeper. Naturally drifts left….but Headhunter was suggesting playing him left wing. He drifts to find space….he’s very intelligent in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Not had anyone able to deliver a decent corner since Alan Walsh, and as for throw-ins, I reckon we lost about an hour of football last year waiting for Jack Hunt to throw the ball in. Still, shouldn’t grumble too much, it may have saved us from relegation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 I thought there an improvement today on corners, throw ins and free kicks from last season. But then not a great level to improve on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Davefevs said: Joe Williams will probably take a lot of corners when he’s back in the team. Will he also be able to clear the defensive line at free kicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 Maybe we were trying different things as it was a friendly but surprised not to see James taking a few seeing as he had been on set piece duty in previous games & isn’t a likely scorer or player you would have assigned to block an opponent off at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Maybe we were trying different things as it was a friendly but surprised not to see James taking a few seeing as he had been on set piece duty in previous games & isn’t a likely scorer or player you would have assigned to block an opponent off at them. I would expect that Blackpool would have had somebody there watching yesterday. I would be surprised if we brought out any of our set piece work yesterday. I would imagine Nige is too long in the tooth to do that........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 It's a good question because we won a fair few corners yesterday and delivery was decent most of the time but I don't recall us properly connecting with any of them. Free kick and corner routines are really important, especially in home games when you tend to have to break down a resilient defence. That Cotts team were dangerous at set pieces and I'm sure we're working on it currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 Bring back dave rennie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, mozo said: It's a good question because we won a fair few corners yesterday and delivery was decent most of the time but I don't recall us properly connecting with any of them. Free kick and corner routines are really important, especially in home games when you tend to have to break down a resilient defence. That Cotts team were dangerous at set pieces and I'm sure we're working on it currently. There was one that Atkinson could have done better with his header but certainly Konsa & Hause won the vast majority of the balls in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken George Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Maybe we were trying different things as it was a friendly but surprised not to see James taking a few seeing as he had been on set piece duty in previous games & isn’t a likely scorer or player you would have assigned to block an opponent off at them. James took from the right o Dowda from the left. Inswingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, sticks 1969 said: Bring back dave rennie Are you saying Pearson got the wrong one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 16 hours ago, TomThumb84 said: Not had anyone able to deliver a decent corner since Alan Walsh, and as for throw-ins, I reckon we lost about an hour of football last year waiting for Jack Hunt to throw the ball in. Still, shouldn’t grumble too much, it may have saved us from relegation! Freeman took a decent corner to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, eardun said: Freeman took a decent corner to be fair. Yes forgot about Luke, to be honest I grew up on us being seemingly unable to do anything other than dinked near post flick-on attempts so I am a bit tainted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 Did Eliasson take them? I really can`t recall but do remember thinking that if Tammy was in the same team he would have filled his boots even more than he did - I just have this memory of him dropping them on a sixpence in the middle of the six yard box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 I'm sure I read somewhere that statistically the chances of scoring from a corner are so low that its better to play it short. I imagine the chance deteriorates even further when low quality players (yes you O'Dowda) are given the responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 1, 2021 Report Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: I'm sure I read somewhere that statistically the chances of scoring from a corner are so low that its better to play it short. I imagine the chance deteriorates even further when low quality players (yes you O'Dowda) are given the responsibility. Per one hunded corners around 3% of goals are scored from corners. From first ball - cross header its below 2%. Delivery is not as important as having players capable of scoring from headers. Bristol City with Aden Flint in the team completely outperformed norms. In swinging corners are more effective than outswingers. Outswingers result in more shots but more are saved and blocked. The percentage of goals scored by going short is double the above 3% . And going short results in a significantly higher (approx 10% higher) number of shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted August 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 Chuck state at it all we like, the simple fact in my eyes is we don’t make the most of set plays like corners enough. I never see any intelligence go into them to at least try and score. Just hit and hope for what is essentially a free ‘box entry’ (sorry for that phrase) and I just wish we would make more use of them considering we don’t create an awful lot in open play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, BOSRed said: Chuck state at it all we like, the simple fact in my eyes is we don’t make the most of set plays like corners enough. I never see any intelligence go into them to at least try and score. Just hit and hope for what is essentially a free ‘box entry’ (sorry for that phrase) and I just wish we would make more use of them considering we don’t create an awful lot in open play One might argue that a PL defence is very adept at defending set pieces, at blocking runs, etc. In other pre-season friendlies we’ve looked more threatening (James has been taking most), found our men at them, without scoring (a few over the bar, to keeper, etc). In fact, we scored at Exeter, Williams - Kalas - Wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLRed Posted August 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: One might argue that a PL defence is very adept at defending set pieces, at blocking runs, etc. In other pre-season friendlies we’ve looked more threatening (James has been taking most), found our men at them, without scoring (a few over the bar, to keeper, etc). In fact, we scored at Exeter, Williams - Kalas - Wells Maybe signs there of improvement with a decent set piece taker but in the main, we have been extremely wasteful and I hope to god this improves this coming season as it may well make a difference between a win or a draw in a few games. i expect this season will be about defensive solidity and trying to steal 1-0 wins here and there, then we build on it going into the following season with more improved transfers. I’m not expecting any fancy played, high scoring games from us this year so set pieces will be crucial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 02/08/2021 at 00:48, Cowshed said: Per one hunded corners around 3% of goals are scored from corners. From first ball - cross header its below 2%. Delivery is not as important as having players capable of scoring from headers. Bristol City with Aden Flint in the team completely outperformed norms. In swinging corners are more effective than outswingers. Outswingers result in more shots but more are saved and blocked. The percentage of goals scored by going short is double the above 3% . And going short results in a significantly higher (approx 10% higher) number of shots. Flint was almost unmarkable at corners for us. He was so aggressive and physical, defenders just couldn't deal with him. It actually came to a point we were more likely to score from a corner than anything else just because of how dominant he was. It was a joy to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 It's always amazed me how often professional footballers fail to even clear the first man at corners. It's not just City, it was just as evident at the Euros and all football in general. You have the opportunity to place the ball to your liking and cross the ball under absolutely no pressure! It makes absolutely zero sense that throughout the game, delivery at corners is so poor. Yes, there's sometimes an element of good defending, but more often than not it's just poorly struck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: It's always amazed me how often professional footballers fail to even clear the first man at corners. It's not just City, it was just as evident at the Euros and all football in general. You have the opportunity to place the ball to your liking and cross the ball under absolutely no pressure! It makes absolutely zero sense that throughout the game, delivery at corners is so poor. Yes, there's sometimes an element of good defending, but more often than not it's just poorly struck. Do you ever try to take corners? That isn't an attempt at being condescending. Taking corners is a skill. Its a skill many players are not particularly good at. The reason players hit the front man repeatedly is because of what they are trying to do - Hit flat crosses and zones. There are themes. The easiest ball to defend is dropping it in to the box. The hardest to defend is driven and flat taking rotation off the ball but its also the easiest to get wrong. Attempt to flatten the cross and its a couple of % either way of hitting the first defender or putting it out the back. Teams invariably mark first ball winners and put blockers in zones. Try to hit zones? Invaribly a perfect ball is defended as statistically it has to be. The defending team has to be favourite. Teams attempt to beat the odds by attempting the complex leading to logical failures v zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted August 3, 2021 Report Share Posted August 3, 2021 Didnt NP say that he'll announce the starting 11 on Friday, and then use Friday to work on set pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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