Sandhurst Red Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-betting-gambling-advert-ban-is-likely-to-affect-nine-premier-league-teams-20210923 As outlined in the article, this is looking ever increasingly likely that it will get passed. From our perspective, that means an end to Mansion Bet as sponsor, so will open up new commercial possibilities - but potential a shortfall unless we find another sponsor quickly for next season. In current times, that may be easier said than done. That said - I would love to see Thatchers emblazoned across the front of our shirts tbh! Does anyone know how many years the Mansion Bet contract was for, or was it all hidden from sight and yet another fine example of machiavellianism displayed by the Ipswich Ego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 About time the ban came in tbh 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 I don’t understand why they would ban betting company sponsors for moral reasons but it’s still ok to be sponsored by alcohol which ruins millions more lives a year ? 9 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: I don’t understand why they would ban betting company sponsors for moral reasons but it’s still ok to be sponsored by alcohol which ruins millions more lives a year ? This is the most obvious point to be made, which I agree on. Both are legal though, so how did they draw the line? Both are also prevalent in football. Edited September 24, 2021 by Marcus Aurelius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Understand why they’re doing this but it will hurt some smaller clubs at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: I don’t understand why they would ban betting company sponsors for moral reasons but it’s still ok to be sponsored by alcohol which ruins millions more lives a year ? Does it? I have never seen comparative figures. From my own experience I spent 15 years in the casino, and latterly casino and bingo industries and I left in great part because I became less enamoured of it as I moved up the ladder. The idea that gambling was potentially dangerous to people's lives was not new to me, but on reaching upper management level I grew angry at the cynical way they tried to encourage "spend" especially in bingo which tends to cater for the less financially secure areas of society. The way they are able to advertise these days is a complete anathema to what was legal when I was involved, and that is a big worry. I have had some bad experiences of alcohol as well, losing a brother to it's effects was devastating, I've lost count of the number of times I sat at a hospital bed over his life. Having said that I am well aware that the vast majority of people can have a flutter and a drink and carry on their lives, so I agree with control rather than outright bans. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said: https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-betting-gambling-advert-ban-is-likely-to-affect-nine-premier-league-teams-20210923 As outlined in the article, this is looking ever increasingly likely that it will get passed. I’ll give you 5/2 on that it doesn’t. 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Getting rid of betting and alcohol would be a good thing IMO but then I would like to see all advertising taken off shirts and a return to those simpler days when footballers weren't commercial billboards. Of course there will be many arguing the loss of income. Well here's an idea - how about football starts behaving responsibly and gets back to being an affordabl game for all. Over-commercialisation of football has been a disease for years and it needs be stopped before it kills the game 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Everytime i watch a game on sky, every other advert is for betting. In the world cup, it was beer. I wonder if mr murdoch, will stop that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Calculus said: Getting rid of betting and alcohol would be a good thing IMO but then I would like to see all advertising taken off shirts and a return to those simpler days when footballers weren't commercial billboards. Of course there will be many arguing the loss of income. Well here's an idea - how about football starts behaving responsibly and gets back to being an affordabl game for all. Over-commercialisation of football has been a disease for years and it needs be stopped before it kills the game There would be a significant loss of income to professional football clubs if that ever happened and to recoup that loss ticket prices would have to go even higher and it would us fans that pay up. Banning betting and alcohol advertising throughout the industry makes perfect sense tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Everytime i watch a game on sky, every other advert is for betting. In the world cup, it was beer. I wonder if mr murdoch, will stop that? Where does he come into things? He doesn't own Sky any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 I didnt even know he sold it! I think the betting offers they do at half time for instance, is much more tempting to have a bet, I think thats encouraging, to someone to bet more, than a team being sponsored by ladbrokes for example. If they are going to ban this on shirts, may as well ban the adverts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Uefa, actually call some of these firms, partners, not sponsors! Betting firms and beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: I didnt even know he sold it! I think the betting offers they do at half time for instance, is much more tempting to have a bet, I think thats encouraging, to someone to bet more, than a team being sponsored by ladbrokes for example. If they are going to ban this on shirts, may as well ban the adverts. I still find it odd to see it so blatantly and bullishly advertised. Especially when I think back to the days when we used to have the Gaming Board scrutinizing our staffing levels to make sure that we "really needed to advertise for recruits" to make sure we weren't using job ads as advertising for the casino. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 I think the betting industry is rotten, full stop. And those betting ads on TV, YouTube, etc disgust me. Happy to see it banned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, SecretSam said: I think the betting industry is rotten, full stop. And those betting ads on TV, YouTube, etc disgust me. Happy to see it banned. Happy to see the advertising banned rather than the betting industry I hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: Happy to see the advertising banned rather than the betting industry I hope? Nope, I'd like the industry gone, too. But that's unrealistic, so certainly much more heavily regulated. And taxed. Trade in human misery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Nope, I'd like the industry gone, too. But that's unrealistic, so certainly much more heavily regulated. And taxed. Trade in human misery. Without getting too scientific/philosophical, where do you stop? Dopamine = want more of said thing. Sugar = high dopamine Sex = high dopamine Games = high dopamine Alcohol = high dopamine Gambling = high dopamine Heck, a goal for BCFC = high dopamine 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Nope, I'd like the industry gone, too. But that's unrealistic, so certainly much more heavily regulated. And taxed. Trade in human misery. It can't happen you are right, history teaches us that. Forcing it underground is what would be achieved and there it becomes much more dangerous. I would like to see it more regulated, back to the days when I was a young croupier, but again this will never happen and it's down to two words really....... National.... Lottery. Clearly the National Lottery has filled a hole that Governments are loathe to fill with direct taxation, but the argument from the gaming industry went "if they can advertise/have a tv programme dedicated to it, why can't we have similar?" And in a free trade society it's a difficult argument to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robbored said: There would be a significant loss of income to professional football clubs if that ever happened and to recoup that loss ticket prices would have to go even higher and it would us fans that pay up. Banning betting and alcohol advertising throughout the industry makes perfect sense tho. How much does shirt sponsorship gain for BCFC? Can you identify how sponsorship keeps ticket prices down? The most lucrative sponsorship deals are not linked to clubs with low ticket prices. Edited September 24, 2021 by Cowshed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cowshed said: How much does shirt sponsorship gain for BCFC? Can you identify how sponsorship keeps ticket prices down? The most lucrative sponsorship deals are not linked to clubs with low ticket prices. I am pretty sure it’s less than £200k. Probably less than £150k. Let’s assume it’s £200k. That’s £550 per day. Peanuts in the grand scheme of things. We lose around £40k per day I think if my memory serves me right It’s a cliche to say that ticket prices will have to go up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cowshed said: How much does shirt sponsorship gain for BCFC? Can you identify how sponsorship keeps ticket prices down? The most lucrative sponsorship deals are not linked to clubs with low ticket prices. The most lucrative sponsorship goes to those clubs that get the most TV exposure so the likes of the Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and other PL clubs who of course have the biggest wage bills but how much of their income comes from sponsorship I have no idea. Obviously they get vast amounts from Sky which is largely why these clubs can afford such massive salaries but match tickets are still hugely expensive - that’s if you can any. It’s the clubs down the pyramid that would suffer the most if sponsorship was banned per se rather than just alcohol and betting companies. It would become a catch 22 situation for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said: Everytime i watch a game on sky, every other advert is for betting. In the world cup, it was beer. I wonder if mr murdoch, will stop that? To me the TV adverts are far far far more destructive than shirt sponsorship and if they are going to ban one they must ban the other. Ive never even heard of the vast majority of betting companies who are shirt sponsors, ours included (maybe Mansion but Dunder?!) but the big boys - Ladbrokes, Skybet, Betfair, William Hill etc taking up 75 % of the air time of the big games - that needs to stop. Even the adverts encouraging you to be careful when betting are subliminally making you think about betting. Tv bans will never happen though - betting companies have the government around their little finger with the revenues they produce so they’re Teflon unfortunately. Edited September 24, 2021 by lenred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 I honestly couldn't care, But the efl need to follow suit and stop taking sponsors from sky bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Sandhurst Red said: That said - I would love to see Thatchers emblazoned across the front of our shirts tbh! Why is alcohol fine but betting not then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, lenred said: To me the TV adverts are far far far more destructive than shirt sponsorship and if they are going to ban one they must ban the other. Ive never even heard of the vast majority of betting companies who are shirt sponsors, ours included (maybe Mansion but Dunder?!) but the big boys - Ladbrokes, Skybet, Betfair, William Hill etc taking up 75 % of the air time of the big games - that needs to stop. Even the adverts encouraging you to be careful when betting are subliminally making you think about betting. Tv bans will never happen though - betting companies have the government around their little finger with the revenues they produce so they’re Teflon unfortunately. It’s not the same people in control of banning them though so ‘they’ cannot ban both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, TBW said: Why is alcohol fine but betting not then? Because it still isn't demonised in society, in fact it's celebrated, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Wouldn't that be the final nail for alot of clubs? A more equitable distribution of wealth from the Premier League would be the answer, but that ain't ever happening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: It’s not the same people in control of banning them though so ‘they’ cannot ban both The government can ban betting advertising if ‘they’ so wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, B1ackbird said: Wouldn't that be the final nail for alot of clubs? A more equitable distribution of wealth from the Premier League would be the answer, but that ain't ever happening... Or EFL negotiating their own tv deal??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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