Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 PHILIP BELGRAVE of this forum and the ziderheads forum maintains that Ernest Bevin was very much a local man. He wonders if it is recorded anywhere that he was a City supporter. He certainly satisfies the BCFC supporter criteria - laughing and on the piss ....... Ernest Bevin was born in the small village of Winsford in Somerset, England. At the age of eleven he went to work as a labourer, then as a truck driver in Bristol, where he joined the Bristol Socialist Society. In 1910 he became secretary of the Bristol branch of the Dockers' Union, and in 1914 he became a national organiser for the union. Bevin was a physically huge man, strong and by the time of his political prominence very heavy. He spoke with a strong West Country accent. A certain chap in the back row seen with Prime Minister Clement Atlee and Uncle Joe Stalin leader of the Red Army - if PHILIP BELGRAVE's hunch is correct - was a Bristol City FC supporter !!!!!!.....Ernest Bevin !!!!!!!......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 The chap I go to games with is from Winsford originally, his best mate as a lad was Mr Kew's son I believe. Wonder if he will have any local insight..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 The chap I go to games with is from Winsford originally, his best mate as a lad was Mr Kew's son I believe. Wonder if he will have any local insight..... It was PHILIP BELGRAVE - who I believe is from W-S-M but now lives in Australia - that posed this thought on my Goblin section of the ziderhead's website. It's got me wondering and asking around but no one seems to know. Ernest Bevin really would be our highest ranking supporter as his influence in Government was immense during and after World War II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 It was PHILIP BELGRAVE - who I believe is from W-S-M but now lives in Australia - that posed this thought on my Goblin section of the ziderhead's website. It's got me wondering and asking around but no one seems to know. Ernest Bevin really would be our highest ranking supporter as his influence in Government was immense during and after World War II. I believe that fellow Stalin was our biggest ever supporter he even named his army "The Red Army" truley a gent and a scolar. Jolly nice fella i mean dictator. Stalin our biggest supporter not unless that Bevin fella had an army too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I believe that fellow Stalin was our biggest ever supporter he even named his army "The Red Army" truley a gent and a scolar. Jolly nice fella i mean dictator. Stalin our biggest supporter not unless that Bevin fella had an army too. Joe Stalin was definately the greatest ever Red and would easily outrank even our very own Ernest Bevin as this club's greatest and highest ranking supporter......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Joe Stalin was definately the greatest ever Red and would easily outrank even our very own Ernest Bevin as this club's greatest and highest ranking supporter......... Can someone photoshop the flags, so that they have bcfc on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Joe Stalin was definately the greatest ever Red and would easily outrank even our very own Ernest Bevin as this club's greatest and highest ranking supporter......... Stalin was a vile despot with no respect for human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Stalin Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Stalin was a vile despot with no respect for human life. The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic. It's Putin taking up the cudgels now anyhow matey - the reds go marching on on ON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Stalin was a vile despot with no respect for human life. Jolly decent fellows.....Churchill and Stalin ...... Uncle Joe Stalin and his Red Army along with the RAF and USAAF actually did us proud by bombing the heart out of the vicious *unacceptable word* empire that did bomb Bristol and Ashton Gate. A scene to make any right minded BCFC supporter bloody angry. Adolf Hitler's Luftwaffe Airforce bomb Ashton Gate circa 1941.......Wreckage of ye olde BCFC Grandstand that saw the likes of Billy Wedlock....... "They think it's all over !!!!!! It is now !!!" ... April 1945, Joe Stalin's Red Army shock troops make their way through the rubble of Berlin - partly a result of RAF and USAAF bombing raids - towards Hitler's bunker ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Red Goblin, you are a mental I cannot believe that you sincerely think Stalin was a great man. The gulags, the purges, exile of people to Siberia , mass starvation etc Creating a society of fear and suspician that still lingers in Russia to this very day poor show fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Stalin Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Red Goblin, you are a mental I cannot believe that you sincerely think Stalin was a great man. The gulags, the purges, exile of people to Siberia , mass starvation etc Creating a society of fear and suspician that still lingers in Russia to this very day poor show fella the fear and loathing in St petersburg (and elsewhere) is down to the new oligarchs and their nepotistic relationships with Putin. Russia is run by gangsters and thats something uncle Joe wouldn't have tolerated. Stalin presided over deeply troubled times and took decisions that helped keep the USSR alive against a formidible and far more nihilstic threat in the form of the *unacceptable word*'s. Historically it's hard for even us in the UK to stand up and pretend that we are immune from a sordid legacy of committing horrors in the name of our people and lands. We did a good job in South Africa & India and elsewhere and in terms of atrocities against civilians, Dresden stands up there. I would argue that many Russians still hanker after the days of the old USSR, but I agree not those purged by Stalin perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_City_F.C.#Famous_fans If Wiki says it it must be true...I'm rather dissapointed really...not only was he a **** but he left us no money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Red Goblin, you are a mental I cannot believe that you sincerely think Stalin was a great man. The gulags, the purges, exile of people to Siberia , mass starvation etc Creating a society of fear and suspician that still lingers in Russia to this very day poor show fella To use the words of a certain previous contributor to this thread "It's Putin taking up the cudgels now anyhow matey". If I had my way I'd do a deal with Putin to get those Gulags reopened ready to receive the West Midlands Police and their CPS puppet masters that arrested then tried to prosecute our supporters. All for the 'heinous crime' of a pre-match pint prior to a Walsall v BCFC game. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) - Toffs that create a society of fear and suspicion that still lingers in England to this very day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 When I was a kid, the problem on the terraces was the infiltration of the far-right football fan in football Looking at this thread we seem to have gone from one extreme to the other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 When I was a kid, the problem on the terraces was the infiltration of the far-right football fan in football Looking at this thread we seem to have gone from one extreme to the other! Yep, and thank the heroes below - including Stalin - that you're not now under a *unacceptable word* German jackboot...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 To use the words of a certain previous contributor to this thread "It's Putin taking up the cudgels now anyhow matey". If I had my way I'd do a deal with Putin to get those Gulags reopened ready to receive the West Midlands Police and their CPS puppet masters that arrested then tried to prosecute our supporters. All for the 'heinous crime' of a pre-match pint prior to a Walsall v BCFC game. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) - Toffs that create a society of fear and suspicion that still lingers in England to this very day. The usual... avoid the question and talk about instatutionalised brutality within Britishlaw enforcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 The usual... avoid the question and talk about instatutionalised brutality within Britishlaw enforcement .....and why not? It's BCFC supporter related! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Stalin was a vile despot with no respect for human life. I think you may be confusing Stalin with Tony Pulis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Yep, and thank the heroes below - including Stalin - that you're not now under a *unacceptable word* German jackboot...... Poor old FDR must've been at death's door on that photo Gobbers. Looks quite ill. Now there's a leader to respect and for your lefty leanings he was a democrat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._R...olitical_career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 .....and why not? It's BCFC supporter related! Does championing joe Stalin / communism have anyhing to do wth BCFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garlicbread Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Poor old FDR must've been at death's door on that photo Gobbers. Looks quite ill. Now there's a leader to respect and for your lefty leanings he was a democrat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._R...olitical_career Deaths door, but still able to choke back a woodbine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Deaths door, but still able to choke back a woodbine though. Thats because smoking was still good for you those days, makes you a real man and all the women will adore you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Poor old FDR must've been at death's door on that photo Gobbers. Looks quite ill. Now there's a leader to respect and for your lefty leanings he was a democrat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._R...olitical_career One day later and we're still no nearer to knowing if Ernest Bevin was a BCFC Supporter. :noexpression: Anyway - as per your URL - Roosevelt's administration was often accused of being too accomodating of Stalin. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that Roosevelt held Stalin in very high regard for the ferocity with which he sent in the Red Army against Hitler's invading hordes. I agree with the following inscriptions, so does this make me a democrat? 'The Four Freedoms of Speech' engraved on a wall at the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Memorial in Washington....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 One day later and we're still no nearer to knowing if Ernest Bevin was a BCFC Supporter. :noexpression: Anyway - as per your URL - Roosevelt's administration was often accused of being too accomodating of Stalin. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that Roosevelt held Stalin in very high regard for the ferocity with which he sent in the Red Army against Hitler's invading hordes. I agree with the following inscriptions, so does this make me a democrat? 'The Four Freedoms of Speech' engraved on a wall at the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Memorial in Washington....... Maybe it does, Uncle Joe didn't agree with any of that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Maybe it does, Uncle Joe didn't agree with any of that though How do you know? Joe Stalin was once a priest - he even opened up the churches during WWII - unthinkable for a Communist leader - surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 we may not have won wwII without stalin's help but still the man was a real disgrace stakanovism was probably the only decent idea he had after world war 2 ...this incldes the moscow metro, he undid 100 years of forward thinking russians, who ruled for people by trying to race of with only thought for himself and his precious economy. Don't big up a man who did far worse than the hooligans that so frequently get ripped apart on the forum, there will be someone readong this that will have links back to his dictatorship and although its funny to some, ansestors were lost, lots of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Oh Red Gobblers do behave! The Soviet Union was happy enough to enter into the *unacceptable word*-Soviet Pact in '39 and only turned once the Germans launched Operation Barbarossa. Fierce fighting? Yes. But only because the Soviets (quite rightly) feared a far more aggressive German invasion. The Germans (quite rightly) feared the Russian response. It was an escalation of barbarism on both sides. Crucial to the war effort? Oh yes, bar the UK (and commonwealth) the most important country to defeat Hitler (yes more so than the USA, who did NOT turn the war). A benign regime who acted for the greater good? Pah! To be crude and argue over numbers you could argue Stalin was far worse (non-war related murders were higher). Then you'd probably blame Hitler for WW2 (I hope!) and that'd make him responsible for more deaths. But then you can twist that around again and suggest that the Soviet communist model gave rise to Mao (and others) who were, through their political system, responsible for more deaths than Hitler. Either way, yes they did have an important part to play in bringing down the most aggressive and ideologically evil government ever. But heros they are not. In same way as if a man killed 5 people and then got in to a fight with another man who killed him - but then went on to kill 10 more himself I wouldn't consider either a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Either way, yes they did have an important part to play in bringing down the most aggressive and ideologically evil government ever. But heros they are not. The Red Army of the Soviet Union were heroes to many of my Grandparents' generation. I remember my very own Grandfather saying that while Germany was attacking Russia they weren't bombing England to such a great extent.The Red Army also became very skilled at smashing the very best military formations the Germans could launch against them - without the resolution of Stalin the USSR may have been conquered by Hitler. I don't doubt that this country would have fallen to the German SS Gestapo tyranny soon afterwards had that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsontour Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 This is magnificent... Ideological conviction versus rational assesment...I love reading goblins posts, not because they solve any deep mystery, but because they expose weeknesses in even the most elequently put argument. Politicians often become politicians because they can express their convictions, not because the convictions are fundimentaly sound. I could listen to tony benn tell me the world was flat, but he wouldn't convince me it was flat. But rational argument is often weak if probed too deep.. After all Percy, would the man who killed 10 men be a hero if the 10 men were Hitler, Stalin, pot, Hussein, mao, et al? Goblin, use history to explain the past, not to predict the future, life is just too damned complicated for that. But please, please, continue... And I apologise for lack of capitalisation in my post, life is too damned short for iPhone essays too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 This is magnificent... Ideological conviction versus rational assesment...I love reading goblins posts, not because they solve any deep mystery, but because they expose weeknesses in even the most elequently put argument. Politicians often become politicians because they can express their convictions, not because the convictions are fundimentaly sound. I could listen to tony benn tell me the world was flat, but he wouldn't convince me it was flat. But rational argument is often weak if probed too deep.. After all Percy, would the man who killed 10 men be a hero if the 10 men were Hitler, Stalin, pot, Hussein, mao, et al? Goblin, use history to explain the past, not to predict the future, life is just too damned complicated for that. But please, please, continue... Thank you redsontour, alas I'm no nearer to finding out if Ernest Bevin was a BCFC Supporter as PHILIP BELGRAVE initially enquired on the ziderheads website. Percy Parrot has no real concept of the magnitude of the defeat that Britain faced early in World War 2. Our cities were smouldering and all seemed lost. Then Hitler lost interest in us and attacked Stalin's USSR with the most ferocious and formidable force ever seen in human history until that time. Winston Churchill and then Roosevelt, quite rightly, supported Joe Stalin's regime with money, armaments and food supplies - so I am in good company. Churchill's remark that if Hitler had invaded Hell (the USSR), he would at least have made "a favourable reference to the Devil (Stalin) in the House of Commons" was indication enough of Churchill's determination to have any ally in the British crusade against *unacceptable word* Germany. "Politically, Churchill and Stalin were poles apart: one, the son of a British aristocrat, parliamentary democrat, free-trading capitalist and embodiment of imperial Britain at its zenith; the other, the son of a Georgian cobbler, a proletarian agitator who rose through the ranks of the Bolshevik Party to become the totalitarian head of the world's first Communist Power. For the bulk of their professional lives, Churchill and Stalin remained political adversaries. But for four years, from 1941-45, they were allies, brought together by the inexhaustible ambitions of Hitler's Germany." Edited from Churchill and Stalin: Documents from the British Archives, 1940-1953 Source: http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-the-fco/pub...urchill-stalin/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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