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49 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

My perception is that there are quite a few that are still hanging on to their dislike of the Pearson sacking, but not just Pearson the crayon boy quip, nest egg, front foot, top 6 and of course the Muppet quote to a picture of Jon and Steve at the game Friday, in game time. 

Pearson was a sour puss, that's a given, Manning is not and i can see the players are up for it.

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their view and you clearly have yours.

I also have mine too and I can assure you, it differs greatly from yours.  

I certainly don’t agree that it’s a ‘given’ that Pearson is a ‘sour puss’.  You may think so, but that certainly doesn’t automatically make it a given!

Why are you also assuming that any anti board/Lansdown/Pearson sacking is also anti-Manning?

I’ll bet the massive majority of pro-Pearson supporters are willing Liam Manning to do well, as it means the Club will also be doing well and what fan wouldn’t want that??

That doesn’t mean they’ll have forgiven those who are running the club for some of their actions and why should they be immune from criticism anyway?

22 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Blimey am I glad I was in the Manning camp from day one. Still the nay sayers are trying to figure out a strategy in wiping egg off faces. Quoting it's good but just really Pearson's system that see us winning these games. But of course it's not just systems its belief as a Team, and that is the difference in Manning and Pearson.

I strongly suspect you seeing conflict, when there actually isn’t any.  

Have you ever considered that anyone mentioning playing a Pearson like system aren’t trying to pull LM down or wipe egg off their face?  

To me, it seems very much like an acceptance that our players aren’t suited to his original tactics, but now he’s moved closer to the style they’re used to, performance levels have risen accordingly.  I reckon that actually enhances LM’s coaching and tactical credentials, as it proves he has flexibility, which is great for us.

If you want to see all this in a negative light, that’s up to you but imho, I can’t see it myself.

19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

To me it feels NPesque but with some tweaks.

Such as Mehmeti, perhaps Knight pushed higher forward. The odd tweak here and there, do we shoot a bit more readily.

Less injuries helps too.

Yep, our shots per game count has certainly risen significantly for sure.  

Maybe LP has just given the playes a bit more freedom to shoot when they feel it’s worth a go.  That was a bit of a frustration under NP, as it often seemed like we wanted to practically walk the ball into the net.

That alone has raised the entertainment level for me.

2 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

The way I see it right now is City are playing a much more Pearson style game.
 

This is For a number of reasons, but mainly because that is what most of these players have been doing for 21/2 years. 
 

The big difference is, We finally have a tune out of Mehmeti. And that is a great compliment to Manning. 
 

Back that up with a rest for Bell and Wells, Williams, Weimann etc being fit enough for 90 minutes a few things are coming together. Good for him and us!
 

 

Spot on!  

Although we’ve pretty much reverted back to an NP style counter attacking game, we definitely appear quicker and more incisive in attack and it’s made us more exciting to watch and is putting opposition defenses under increased pressure (reason for the penalties?)  

Completely agree re Mehmeti.  He is the biggest and most surprising change since Manning’s arrival, so LM can to take full credit for that.  Will be interesting to see if he can transform any others, given more time.

Certainly starting to see more reasons for optimism now, so let’s hope we don’t just do the Bristol City thing and **** it all up!

1 minute ago, redsquirrel said:

did anyone else notice only 1 yellow card today, that dont happen often, and none for us

A very refreshing change, especially when added to a couple of recent pens.  Definitely looking up and long may it last

13 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Thanks mate. 

Unfortunately some people don't understand that a forum is a place for all of us to share differing opinions. They seem to think it's a place where only one type of opinion is allowed which in my opinion is not healthy. 

No probs.  
I agree there’s an increasing number of people these days who have totally lost the desire to debate or, even acknowledge there can be differing opinions, even though both viewpoints can often have similar justification.

This echo chamber and cancel culture mentality is really destructive and if it reaches it’s logical conclusion, us humans will find ourselves being no better than inferior robots and AI will have the beating of us!

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Do you not think you just replied to one?

Nope, but are you putting YOUR name forward as one???

It’s one thing when someone is an obvious wum, then they deserve everything they get.  What winds me up is when someone gets hounded just for having a genuine and heartfelt opinion.  

While our Seagull friend can get caught up in the emotion at times, there seems to be plenty of posts where they say absolutely nothing wrong, but they still get ripped into.

Bang out of order as far as I’m concerned and not what this forum should be about.

16 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It's from the same people that always troll my posts. Despite being on my ignore list they still continue to quote me etc. 

Unfortunately they can't move on from their hatred of NP. I've seen lots of digs about Pearson on this forum today by people who just can't let it go. 

I might be a bit outspoken but I just say things how I see them. Some people don't like that. 

I remember having a conversation on here with someone and them telling me that I must blindly support Manning. I told them he'd need to earn that support as I had lots of concerns. 

From the moment he was linked with us my concern was that Manning ball would not suit our players. We saw that in his early games for us. Now after moving away from Manning ball and therefore calming my concerns  and playing to our strengths and winning 3 on the bounce, he has my support. 

Fair play and nothing wrong with following your principles and having some passion.

I know it takes all types to make a forum, but there are definitely a few on here who seem to just revel in being annoying.

Don’t let the b*stards grind you down bud! 

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I don't know how anyone else saw it but I saw it as he came in and didn't really know what he had here or who we were. I think his perception of us was maybe skewed by our two games against Oxford this season. 

There was also a bad feeling around the club following the previous events. 

But he came in and immediately changed our style to one that didn't suit our players. His style was control possession, control the game etc etc. 

He realised that wasn't working so he took us back to a more familiar style which plays to our strengths. Today we had 41% possession for example. 

I've always said he needed to enhance upon how we were playing, not rip it up and start again and I'm glad he quickly learned from that mistake. 

 

 

 

Don’t see anything wrong with this post at all WSM, though it still managed to land some stupid facepalm emojis, though one was totally unsurprising, considering their posts recently.

Like you and many others, I was incandescent when Nige was sacked, but said the new man deserves a clean slate, as it wasn’t him who did the sacking.  Early on, I had concerns he may be a one trick pony, for the same reason as you commented.  He came in and immediately changed our playing style to something we were completely unsuited to.  

The fact he’s realised the error and has taken us back to more like our game under NP, but with some tweaks to make us more forward thinking and dangerous around the opposition’s box is great and gives me a lot of confidence that he can be flexible and pragmatic, which can only be good for us.

Fair play to LM and today is easily his most impressive result so far, so I’m feeling far more optimistic than when he joined us.  

Today was a massive Christmas bonus for us and it’s a real shame there are still idiots attempting childish points scoring, just like we had under LJ.

As if it isn’t cruel enough to be taken so young, to happen right on Christmas is even more awful.

Sincere sympathy and condolences to Chris’s family, friends and colleagues.

7 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Ghost Dicks does have a certain ring to it to be fair 

Dicks Rider would be far worse!!!

11 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Yes- that's one possible way to look at it. The flipside is that he might retire simply because he enjoys it and can do without the stress- I doubt he needs the money.

However, I think NP is an honest person and in the fullness of time may well decide to disclose details but that's entirely his prerogative . 

Completely agree MMR.  One thing for sure, if he writes a book, I’ll definitely be reading it.  

There’s so much BS and hype in football these days and it was such a refreshing change to have someone here who told it as it was.

I used to think of him as sullen and a bit of a loose cannon, but I warmed to him massively while he was with us.

10 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Generally no they don't and nor do they renew contracts depending on severity but comparing a player and Manager is not a good comparison. However if a player has a significant issue - they tend to retire.

For all the right reasons, the extent of Nige's problems are undisclosed  and whether or not he was fully capable of continuing to perform his full duties- as @Kid in the Riot says- we'll never know.

I would have thought, we’ll most certainly know eventually …….. he’ll either join another club, or retire. 

33 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Laughable. A failed former City manager chosen over an award winning PL CEO…..only in BS3

Exactly and we aren’t even surprised any more.  

It amazes me there are still people on here who think the Lansdowns are the best thing this club could hope for!!!

2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Of course, let's celebrate our successes; after all, that's the essence of the club's history. However, I mean promotions and actual silverware and significant times like the Ashton Gate 8. Would you truly consider a victory over Manchester United as something to be lorded over for years and years? I'm not saying it wasn't a good night, but it's just one win over Manchester United. Do you see what I'm saying?

"Now, we shouldn’t hold in high esteem the most qualified manager we’ve had in decades. He managed to help turn this mess of a club around with virtually no support or appreciation from above, all while maintaining our Championship status against the odds?" This is where our views differ, and people may throw the "anti-Pearson" label at me as some strange insult, as if it's wrong to question the second coming of Christ himself.

Nigel was a good manager who did the job of keeping the club going, but saying he had virtually no support is inaccurate. Firstly, who employed the guy in the first place? Secondly, what do you mean by no support? He had Richard Gould, etc., sorting out transfers and managing FFP, that wasn't NP. He even mentioned he wasn't involved in anything related to outgoing transfers or contracts. So, he literally had nothing to do with getting us out of FFP.

By the same token, Richard Gould wasn’t the one who had to keep us in this division, whilst half the squad were cleared off the books and also having major injury issues.  Anyone would think by the way you’re talking, maintaining our Championship status in that weakened state was an absolute given.  In my book, just standing still was a major achievement!  You can also add the refusal to release any of the Scott fee as an example of lack of support from above. 

In the 2021/22 season, we finished 17th with a team that had Alex Scott, Antoine Semenyo, Weimann, Matty James, Pring, Vyner, Kalas, Bentley, Wells. It's hardly a rags-to-riches tale. SEVENTEENTH. Don't forget; everyone was calling for his head last Christmas!! Were they??  There were plenty on here who had enough vision to see what he was doing and the circumstance he was working under.  95% supporting him in the poll a couple of weeks before he was sacked would also counter your viewpoint.  Take off the blinkers and you might actually see something.

So, forgive me if I'm not crying about him day and night, but he simply was an average manager. The only thing everyone seems to grab onto is that he was 2 points from the playoffs at one point. The fact that he was nearing the end of his contract, was about to have major surgery, and wasn't ripping up trees, and seemed to be a bit of an arse at times seems to have been ignored. I liked the guy as a person, but as a results-driven business, he was bang average. I'm sorry if that makes me "anti-Pearson," whatever the hell that actually means. In terms of appreciation, I'm pretty sure the millions in his bank account should count as significant appreciation for literally doing his job. I wish my boss would come over and tickle my belly every day for doing what I'm paid to do.

"I can see sod all to look forward to with this club under this regime" - And there we have it, it's the "anti-Lansdown" agenda. We have a lot to look forward to, and we've benefited greatly from the current owners, or do we just forget the years bumbling about in League One? The stadium and training ground don't count, apparently.

The subject in your last paragraph has been done to death on here, so I won’t bother to waste time on it.   I’ll just say, if you think Pearson was a ‘bang average’ manager, but still believe we ‘have a lot to look forward to’ under Lansdown, then imho, it’s people like yourself who are actually a big part of the problem at this club!  

 

On 20/12/2023 at 11:41, Ghost Rider said:

I'm a bit fed up with everything Bristol City right now. It all just feels a bit backward, you know? Why are we so stuck in the past as a club and as fans, especially when we've not really achieved much? Check out the first page of the forum, and you'll see what I mean:

• Nigels leaving card
• Nigel Pearson, Bit of an Artist
• Making a fuss about winning the Carabao Cup 6 years ago (No mention of that Liverpool win we keep harping on about)
• Richard Gould back
• Mark Aston thread

And don't get me started on our social media team—constantly wishing old players happy birthday and every new shirt being some kind of "throwback." It's like we're stuck in a time loop or something.

Why can't we, as a club and a fanbase, be a bit more with the times? We seem to love the same old stuff, especially this weird obsession with Nigel Pearson. The guy was just so average, I don't get where all the love comes from. It's just basic and, well, a bit rubbish. We're basically cheering on failure and being okay with being average.

Why can't we, as a club and fanbase, get with the times a bit more? We're stuck on the same old things, especially this weird love for Nigel Pearson. The bloke was just so average; I'm scratching my head wondering why everyone's so into him apart from the fact he was a bit edgy. It's just basic and, well, a bit tinpot. We're basically cheering on failure and settling for being just average.

Am I the only one who thinks like this?

P.s Don't get me started with the love for Massengo just because he had big hair. Never has such a below average player been so lorded.  

 

So let me get this right.  We shouldn’t celebrate our meagre past successes, but should look forward optimistically to a rosy future under the same ownership who has delivered us over 20 years of that past mediocrity?

We also shouldn’t be holding in high esteem the most qualified manager we’ve had in decades, who managed to help turn this mess of a club around, with virtually no support or appreciation from above and whilst still maintaining our Championship status against the odds?

Please correct me if I’ve got any of that wrong, but at the moment, I can see sod all to look forward to with this club under this regime, so may as well look back and enjoy what little we’ve had in the past, as that may be all we get!!!

42 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

Its a Chicken and Egg situation. When the team produces boring football the crowd loses engagement and it goes quiet. On Sunday we were clutching at straws, every won tackle each corner each mini break the crowd got up but with the ball moving endlessly sideways and backwards just brings everybody down

The point is, the atmosphere was flat as a witch’s t*t, even before kick-off, so I don’t think it’s just down to the football being played.

Maybe the early kick-off had something to do with it, because the Nowich fans were surprisingly quiet too.

From a personal perspective, after the manner of the Pearson sacking, I just feel a massive disconnect with the club atm and the general optimism I had for the future seemed to instantly evaporate due to that single action.  

I’m still attending the games, but just don’t have the enthusiasm to get more involved than that.  If there are many others with similar feelings, this might go some way to explaining the particularly sudued atmosphere at the moment.

15 hours ago, glynriley said:

If that’s true, I’d say you never did. If you’re a dyed in the wool football fan, you always care. I hate losing, it pisses me off.

My weekend is ruined, I won’t cheer up until the next win. I’ve been watching for a long time and I actually don’t like where we are as a club, or what we’ve become, but I care, and I wish I didn’t sometimes. 

I used to feel like you, but luckily for me, after years of following City and the almost perpetual mediocrity dished out has pretty much made me immune now.

My biggest problem is actually being arsed to turn up to matches now, in spite of having a ST.  I forced myself to go against Norwich and during the match I was constantly wishing I hadn’t bothered.

Given the unbelievably flat atmosphere around the ground, I wouldn’t mind betting there were plenty more feeling like me.  I just found it impossible to get excited about anything and I feel completely disconnected with the club, purely down to the mugs running it.

What a complete cock-up they’ve made of things and as it stands, there’s no way I’ll be renewing next season.  Enough is enough and if you can’t get some enjoyment or satisfaction from watching football, what’s the point in going?!

3 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

OK, sorry missed the it was the post, just don't like it when figures seem to be made up to attack someone with, but fair game if correct.

I would still argue, SL is no fool and will know much more than the Post or anyone on here about what is an achievable value

Fair shout and no probs

10 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

The post called SL delusional and quoted 200m, based on nothing more than someone's quess and figure they can use to attack SL.

As WSM pointed out it may be on the guess of what SL has invested, but I would guess that a man who is a self made billionaire may have some idea on how to value the business and what to offer for investment, much more than anyone on here.

He has always said it has to be the right investor or investment and maybe as others have said JL is more interested again in taking forward. 

 

 

Wrong, read it again!  

The post said that if SL HAD valued BS at £200 million, that would be delusional.  Are you arguing that wouldn’t be the case, considering two clubs with a great deal of recent Premier League experience are valued around the £60m to £80m mark?

15 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Where has the 200m figure you are quoting for SL to be delusional come from?

On this thread, though I thought it had been reported he was asking around £140 million previously, so who knows other than a select few?

Given the activity around other clubs like WBA and Norwich and the lack of interest in us, it’s pretty safe to say we haven’t been priced competitively, don’t you think?

2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Regarding Norwich it looks like, from reports, that Attanasio initially bought 16% of Norwich for $11.5m in September 2022.

That's about $700,000 for each 1% of the club, and so values Norwich at roughly $70m.

So again, it's more evidence that our owner is simply delusional in his overvaluation of our club and it's wider group.

You really have to question what SL actually wants here.  

Using West Brom and Norwich’s valuations as a comparison, surely SL putting £200 mill on Bristol Sport is like putting a crazily high F-off valuation on a player you desperately want to keep.

He has to be seriously delusional to believe he’ll get any takers at that price, so  really can’t see what he’s playing at.  If he IS that delusional, it will certainly explain some of the baffling decisions he’s made during his ownership of the club and also why we’re going nowhere fast.

4 hours ago, Sir Colby-Tit said:

OK, so I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but is it merely a coincidence that "Cristored" is an anagram of "directors"?

Could well be onto something Sir.

This extremely irritating newbie poster and the people running this club, appear to have an astonishingly similar pov on everything. 

49 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Thats about the average for a manager nowadays - short would be 4 months. 

Never thought of it that way, but you’re right there.

I suspect this may be a fairly short relationship, so I’ve voted 12-18 months.

If he struggles with the jump up to Championship level, then he may be bombed out fairly quickly.

I suspect he’s got something about him though and he may do well here.  If that’s the case, as the salty Oxford fans have been crying about, he seems more than happy to jump ship if a better offer materialises and there are plenty who are higher up the football pyramid than us.

Just don’t see him here long-term, so will be interesting to see how things progress.