BrizzleRed

Obviously people have used up their bog-rolls, so made some space for another stockpile!

You’re overlooking the big difference though. Even the original strain of covid 19 was way more contageous than flu, and each new variant has been more transmissable than the previous one. That’s why this can’t just be treated like another form of flu.

Very true and a real logistical nightmare. On the other hand, if he can manage to deliver all the right presents to every child in the world in one night, that problem should be a piece of piss for our Santa!

Cheers. I’ve always suspected we were being more honest than many countries in the number of covid deaths we’re counting. Not surprising as in the early days, the media seemed to clamouring to get anything possible counted as a covid death, then using it as a stuck to beat the government and show what a mess they were making. In fairness they’ve responded and I can’t see that accusation can be made now and sounds like we aren’t actually too far off the true figure then. Makes the mind boggle to think what formula China has used to get figures as low as theirs though and I’d speculate it’s probably the bare faced lie method!!!

Many thanks for clearing that up and much appreciated RR ?

You’d be an ideal person to answer a question I’ve had for a long time then. We know all the Covid deaths are announced as ‘being within 28 days of a positive covid test’. Now if someone had a positive test and were recovering well, but within 28 days they got run over by a bus, would they still be counted as a covid related death?

I completely agree, but as I said, I think there are far too many people who are making the decision to reject the jab who aren’t making a balanced decision, as they’re believing scaremongering rather than actual facts. We’ve had around 150,000,000 vaccines given in the UK alone, so let’s be honest, that’s way more than would have been used in any vaccine trials. With numbers that big, you’d be seeing very large numbers of deaths if there was a real issue. I’ll bet if you administered 150 million doses of any drug, you’d find a few people with adverse reactions, as everybody is different. The statistics show you are massively more likely to die from Covid than you are from the vaccine. Apart from death with Covid, there is apparently a rise in other health issues like heart problems in people who had seemingly recovered from Covid, so it isn’t just about the death rates. There’s obviously still a lot to learn about this virus. As for your final question, no I don’t bother with the lottery, as I just don’t fancy the odds! ?

Pretty much nailed on that is the case! Trouble is Boris doesn’t help himself. What with him and Captain Hindsight, we’ve got a right pair heading up our two main parties in this country. Some of the old leaders of the past must be spinning in their graves at what we’ve ended up with.

Tbh, that pales into insignificance if there’s a safer and still effective vaccine that the government chose to ignore. I’ll stick by my previous statement. There is far too much petty party politics going on and not enough emphasis on the really important issues. I’d like to know why the media aren’t over this mystery vaccine issue like a rash

Right thanks ? Well, in that case I’d far rather the useless media put some energy into investigating something important like that, rather than giving blanket coverage on some poxy office party.

Interesting. Was it because it was less effective, or other reasons?

Can understand that. The point is any, and I mean any vaccine or other medication carries a potential risk, so where do you draw the line? I’d be interested to know if there’s any poll that’s been done with un-vaxinated people in hospital with covid. It would certainly be interesting to know if given their situation, they wished they would have opted for the jab after all, or are still glad they didn’t. I’m not a betting man, but I reckon the majority wish they could turn back the clock. The danger is, it appears that many aren’t making informed decisions about not having the vaccine and are instead basing their decision on rubbish they see on social media, a friend has heard, or some bloke down the pub. It still seems odd that many seem willing to trust the opinions of the uninformed and rumours, rather than the experts in their field.

Just wondering what your proposed alternative would be? Do you sit on the vaccine for 4 years and test while possibly millions are dying, or do what has been done? It’s undeniably tragic for the 75 people who have reportedly died due to the vaccine, but I wonder how many of the 150,000 who’ve died of covid would have jumped at the chance to get a jab to try and save their life. There are rarely absolutes in this world, but if this vaccine release was a calculated gamble, it’s been a very successful one and I shudder to think what state the world would be now without it.

Too right. Anyone would think we’ve all been banged up and had the key thrown away, listening to some of them. With nature all about things evolving and adapting, how people can get so impatient that this virus hasn’t been besten by now is baffling. Also, some of these self-proclaimed ‘more enlightened’ people can’t seem to comprehend that another more deadly mutation could be just around the corner. Nah, let’s just scrap all the restrictions and have a free for all …….. Bert Bloggs on Twitter said it’ll be alright!!!

I got waved through the security check at the Derby game, so some stewards are already doing it randomly.

I think you final point just confirms to me it’s a very good time to depart from this discussion and leave you to your strange world. Just one final point to consider. If you think the current situation regarding inconvenience and regulations is bad, count yourself very lucky you didn’t have to get through WW2 (I didn’t have to either btw) There were more rules than you could wave a stick at and you’d ignore them at your peril. (and those rules weren’t made permanent, so why should any we have now to deal with Covid?). You also had our German friends trying to drop very large amounts of high explosives on you on many dark nights. Compared to that, a ****** vaccine pass really doesn’t seem that big a hassle to me!

Hope that helps …. love

If it’s three times more contageous, but produces half the hospitalisations per infection, we would still see a rise in total hospitalisations, so we far from out the woods yet. This is still the biggest pandemic to hit the world since the Spanish flu and that killed millions. I’ll say one thing to you, as you’re one of the chief anti-restriction protestors. It’s alright you standing on your soapbox shouting about our civil liberties being denied. Would you have such a cavalier attitude to the results of the virus if you were actually in a position in government where you’re answerable for the results if you made tbe wrong call and it resulted in a massive loss off life? It’s easy to do what you’re doing and you’re clearly proud of yourself for your protest, but luckily for you, it means **** all if you’re wrong. Unluckily for others, they DO bave to make these decisions and certainly aren’t helped when unaccountable people are spouting conspiracy crap that was probably started by some deluded ******* wannabe Fox Mulder on twitter, who never has to back up their claims!

As can the conspiracy theorists, So what’s the difference?

Yeah whatever ….. show me any goverment who practice what they preach. In addition to that, the recommendations are coming from the medical profession and scientists and the government just have to choose which advice they follow.

Wtf are you on about? Anybody can choose to ignore the advice, but it’s just that most people can actually see the reasons for what’s going on and follow advice, even if they aren’t happy about it. Lucky for you really, because if we all had your attitude, we’d all be ****** and you wouldn’t dtill be going about hour ‘normal’ life! It’s pretty obvious you’re just anti-establishment and are just going to carry on doing what you want, regardless of the consequences. Think yourself lucky you live in a country where you can get away with that, but I should ease off the sarcastic comments towards anyone who doesn’t share your views. They are also following their own consciences and not being led by a ring through their nose by the government like you seem to be inferring.

There have been a wide range of predictions of death rates due to covid that’s for sure. Looking at death rates per number of infections in the first peak compared to the number now would indicate that without restrictions and vaccinations, you could double or even triple the death toll we now have. Absolutely agree that people with other illnesses have suffered, but how would that have been improved if the NHS had totally collapsed under the strain of trying to deal with covid, without the containment measures that have been put in place?

But have you considered where we could have been without the restrictions? There were serious predictions of 400,000 to 500,000 deaths if nothing was done. The vaccines will have helped, as have the restrictions to an extent. It’s a right pain in the arse and we’re all getting sick of it, but the restrictions are minor compared with last Christmas, so there have been massive improvements over the last year.

Exactly and makes you wonder how long it will be before someone gets injured. I was amazed by some comments about our pitch invader egainst Derby that apparently the stewards have little power to physically bring someone down on the pitch for fear of being sued if they injure them in the process. Looks like the nutters have the upper hand now and it only takes one psycho and a player or official could be seriously injured, or worse.

Complte tits and that’s cancel culture at its worst. Bleedin ridiculous the player could be booked for charging some ******** who shouldn’t even be on the pitch in the first place. They aren’t participating in the game, so what justification is there for punishing the player? Madness