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2 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Ha, I never thought of that. The ones I'm referring to from the 70s are kids sizes. I remember my first being the coffer sports one when I was 12 or 13. I really don't remember whether I kept up with shirts, but I know I wore a white long sleeved sweat shirt with Wembley stadium printed on it when we were there in 86. I think it had the road to Wembley results on the back.

I never had a kids shirt, as I’m from the lethal wooden hand rattle era, so shirts weren’t on the menu!!! 

I’ll have to get my stuff out of the loft one day and check what I’ve got, but I think my first was probably the special Wembley ‘87 shirt.  

Probably just nostalgia, but they felt more special back then, but that could just be because of what happened in ‘82.  To me, out stuff now feels a bit cheap and nasty in comparison.

52 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Replica shirts were a thing in the 1970s, certainly around the promotion winning season. I don't know about before then as I was either too young or not yet born.

Cheers Sleepy
I think the first replica shirts were sold by Leeds around ‘76 and it was a while before other clubs picked up on the trend and only in kids sizes at first I think.

Maybe it was only the adult sized shirts that were introduced in the mid ‘80’s at City.  I always used to get the new adult sized shirts and I think the first one I got was around ‘86.  I definitely wasn’t aware of adult sizes being sold in the City shop before that, though I stand to be corrected on that.  

I’d always been under the impression that before the mid ‘80’s, if you wanted to get hold of a team shirt, you had to drag it off a player’s back during a pitch invasion!!!

27 minutes ago, kmpowell said:

I collect City shirts and IMO it's certainly not a shirt which was worn or taken to Wembley in 1986. IMO it's not even a shirt from the 1985/86 season!

The 1986 wembley shirt was totally unique, and printed for the occasion. The logos, printing, badges were different sizes to the regular season shirts, and totally unique to that day.

The main shirt style was used from Dec 1983 through to the end of the 1985/86 season (it was replaced in July/Aug 86 by a shirt which brought back the robin, and was in used for just 6mths at the very start of the 86/87 season, then the white band shirt was introduced in Dec '86), so it crossed several seasons, but there were subtle differences...

Player shirts (excluding the goalkeeper) from Dec 83 onwards in the 83/84 season, and also in the full 1984/85 season, had the B.C. 82 stamped inline with the T in Hirerite. In 1985/86 the B.C. 82 was stamped inline with the outside edge of the last E in Hirerite. Extra nerd points, but in the 85/86 season the player shirts also had a mix of old and new Bukta logos. 

The number on this specific eBay shirt is machine stitched, not hand-stitched as being suggested here, see below. In 1985/86 all player numbers were pressed on, along with badges, sponsors and logos.

If this is a players shirt, then there is a chance it something from the 83/84 or 84/85 season, but if I were a betting man then this is a replica 84/85 shirt with a number which has been put on ad-hoc with a sewing machine by somebody.

 

You’ve got a load of info there, so seem the perfect person to ask.  

I’ve always really liked this particular shirt design, but I can’t remember this design ever being available for fans to buy, because I would certainly have bought one myself.  I thought replica shirts first became available to buy from around ‘86 or ‘87, but do you have any info on that?

I’m guessing this ebay shirt was part of the batch supplied to the club and would have been numbered by the club when required.  

With the number being stiched, it won’t have been officially done by the club, but there must have been a few un-numbered spares knocking around at the club and this could be one that someone has acquired and numbered themselves, couldn’t it?

From what’s been discussed on this thread, it certainly isn’t one from the 1986 Wembley Final for sure.

2 hours ago, Clutton Caveman said:

Get our singing section out of that bloody corner

Bloody right, I bet the visiting fans laugh their heads off seeing that.

Fortress Ashton Gate my arse and don’t reckon it’s any coincidence that our home record has been crap for years.

Don’t think the one at the top wants the Gate to be intimidating, we’ve got to just sit down and be nice and quiet.  He wouldn’t want any of that partizan nonsense!!!

22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Was certainly trying to be positive / open-minded.

I hadn’t spent any real time posting my thoughts on OTIB about who the manager would be, because I knew whoever it was I’d be able to spin it, so I wanted to avoid that.  @Harry had done his LM appraisal earlier, so I sat and waited for it to become an almost “done deal” before putting my thoughts on twitter (replicated on here).

I guess my disappointments on his tenure so far focus on the things I thought an “on the grass” coach would improve, but haven’t improved, in some cases gotten worse - no hugely, but enough.  Now is not the time to go through it all again.  He will be here next season, I hope he creates improvement / progress, not just in the team, but in his own skillset too.

That's more than fair and makes sense.  I think its proved to be a big step up for him, but to be fair, he's done enough to get his pre-season in and then has the chance to show what he can do with a fresh start next season.

Now to keep others happy and getting the thread back on track, I wonder if Yeboah will be featuring next season!!!

43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@BrizzleRed

written just before he was appointed.

Thanks Dave.  

Haven't seen that before and you seem to paint quite a positive picture of his style on there.  We'll have to hope he can replicate that, now he's stepped up to this division

I've also still got concerns about the lack of game time for our younger players too, though can't blame him for prioritising points on the board first I suppose.  NP just didn't have the luxury of choice in that regard, as he had to chuck the young ones in, as he had nobody else available.

13 hours ago, Cole Not Gas said:

I will answer. Liam's experience is clearly nowhere near that of Pearson and it cant be for years to come. It certainly doesnt 'trump it' in any way shape or form. I am only referencing Oxford's excellent showing in the early stages of this Oxford season following a summer transfer and training period, so hoping for the same happens for us starting this July.

Thanks and fair shout for the answer.

The issue for me is, you can see oddities in early season, where teams can string some early results together and find themselves at the top end of the table, but can ultimately fall off very quickly as the season pans out.  It’s not unheard of for teams to make the early running and end up fighting relegation by the end of the season.

I was taking a lot of interest in the Oxford forum and there were a good number who weren’t too optimistic that the early form would last.  They were also making similar comments about drab, boring football.

We really can’t put much weight on a short period at the start of the season at Oxford, particularly when you consider what happened during his second season at MK.  It’s no use him saying it was due to losing a couple of his best players, as that’s par for the course at our club, so he needs to be able to work with that.

Any sane City fans will want to see him succeed at our club, as we all benefit from that.  That’s a very different from your apparent blind faith in him and claiming he’s a far better option than Pearson, whilst their respective records and circumstances tell a very different story.  He could possibly turn out to be a gem, but there’s not too much to indicate that so far.  

There is one thing he’s given us evidence of though.  Whilst NP publically stated he wanted to carry on and see this project through, I’d put money on LM being off like a shot if a better offer came in, as Oxford have found out.  I think it looks very likely if he does achieve anything here, he won’t be hanging around long!
 

35 minutes ago, pikeysrobins said:

Now this is something I agree with. I guess football has become a product and if there is no product then fans feel short changed. Before this football was a drug, a hobby with a sense of togetherness between fans and the club. I’ve stayed to the end regardless in over 40 years of watching the City in all but 2 matches. I guess I’m a traditionalist and hang on to this feeling of ‘togetherness’. That’s why I stay even now and will continue to do so. However, I get it why others feel differently -   It’s understandable that many are peeved by the way our club is being run. The exodus really highlighted how disgruntled or changed fans are towards the Bristol Sport product. It was just a shock when sooo many left on Saturday. 

Completely with you there.  

The mindset in football has completely changed now and I hold the clubs completely responsible for that, as they are the ones who have distanced themselves from the fans in recent years.

Like you say, you just wouldn’t consider walking out early in the distant past and booing at half time or the final whistle was pretty rare too.

Still, the clubs have made their bed by trying to rinse the fans for all they can get, so they are now reaping the ‘benefits’!

I can’t shake off the habit though and have only left early on a handful of occasions and would only ever boo the officials and never the team, as that’s ingrained in me now and I won’t be changing at this time of life.

If I could boo the ******* running this club, I certainly would though!!!

29 minutes ago, marmite said:

Are card tickets still available next season. ?  Sorry if asked before.

I think so.  Last season there was talk of adding a £10 charge to any fan requesting a card again this season, but I haven’t heard any more about fhat.  

I had a card this year, but haven’t renewed yet, so can’t advise on the current situation on that.

38 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

In fairness, I will only partially defend as there has been a prevailing uncertainty over the Regulatory framework for 2-3 Years now.

If the 70%, Rule that is finally proposed comes in..it will be a seismic shift for this League.

I get the impression there is an air of desperation elsewhere  gambling and yeah we needed to baxk NP but one extrapolation I've seen by Kieran Maguire which could be wrong is that the last 3 years average Trsnrer Profit would count towards Income..I think we have been too cautious personally and needed to baxk NP more readily 

We are currently aligned to both systems and again that could be overkill by us..

Turnover- £x

No more than 70% must go on Player Wages, Managerial wages, sackings leading to payoffs, Player Amortisation, Impairment, Agents Fees.

It may or may not include Transfer Profits as Income too.

As one of the higher non Parachute clubs income wise we should benefit.

The club and presumably all clubs are weighing these up.. however despite that we are still run terribly by in particular Jon Lansdown and Tinnion.

You’ve clearly got a great handle of the finances of the club Pop and my feelings are more conjecture.  I just suspect that with SL’s financial background, he’s stuck strictly to the financial directives, while many other owners have bent the rules to breaking point, to try and get an advantage.

I certainly wouldn’t condemn SL for playing fair with the finances.  What bugs me is, we get our financial house in order, then without warning, he slams the wallet shut, just when we have some genuine financial leeway to be able to invest.

Awful timing and I just wish he’d level with us fans on his plans, as you really can’t read where the club are going atm and it certainly doesn’t feel like any investment is incoming, either from him, or externally

Add dumb and dumber into the mix, there doesn’t feel like much cause for optimism …… unless for some bellend named Cole not Gas of course

10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I just think "I've seen a hell of a lot worse in the past"!  Not thrilled with Manning, but his reign has so far given us a few highpoints, so it's not all been tedium. There are glimpses that a joined-up successful Bristol City could be created although far too much is slow-paced cobblers like Saturday. I'll press on as a fan and hope that consistency might come. We've not had a really exciting season for some time. Even under NP it was all "a period of transition".

Although Huddy fans are big soppy Yorkshire puddings - they must all have eagle eyes in order to have instantly seen from the other side of the ground that there was "no penalty" (and as for the extra time added, they clearly don't know the rules) - however their side gave a good account of itself, as will most teams playing out of their skin at this stage of the season to try to avoid the drop. I think that intensity made us look poor, especially in the first half. 

I completely agree we’ve seen far worse in the past …… on the pitch.  

I honestly can’t remember such a half arsed, shambolic, amateur, unqualified bunch running the club before though.  

How SL can think this mob is what’s required to run a successful Championship club completely baffles me and I think this is the root of the problems at this club, not the head coach, though he doesn’t help matters!

4 hours ago, Cole Not Gas said:

Its from what i've seen in the past 3 years at A.G Clearly a guy in the game for so many years will have more successes than someone new to his trade. But also many more failings. It's like saying Warnock was successful as a manager. Of course he had successes but he had a more than a dozen failings that can be easily forgotten. Someone new like Liam has only had one sign of success (Oxford) and is too you to have failed. My judgement is an opinion just the same as yours. We will have to wait and see

 

But to be blunt, your opininion is based on a single early season start by Manning at Oxford, when many of the Oxford fans weren’t even convinced he’d keep it up.

Why does that trump all the years of experience Nigel Pearson had in the game?  

I’ve put a question mark there, though past experience tells me you won’t be arsed to answer a question!!!

3 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Believe Steve reads the forum from time to time (at least has hinted that way in the past). Therefore Steve if you see this please can you talk to the fans at the end of the season, we don’t want to hear from Tinnion, Manning, Jon, Marshall, we want to hear from you. 

Where you see the club going, the investment in the women’s team (or perceived lack of taking opportunity in PL), backing the squad with summer investment, the performance levels from this season considering the board expectations of top six (as mentioned when Pearson was sacked). We need to hear from the top as many are waiving on renewing season tickets. 

I’d certainly like to know if he’s going to be permenantly sat on that effing nest-egg.  

At least we’ll then know if the Championship is the upper end of his ambitions, then we can make our decisions accordingly.  I just don’t want to hear any more bullshit about Premier League, if he intends to continue to tighten the purse strings.

Just be honest and tell us where we stand ffs

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

 

There is also the fact that it was a dead rubber game. The end result wasn't really that important. It was boring and a bit cold so people left.

If we'd been desperate for a point to stay out the drop zone or make the play-offs, then you'd find people staying until the final whistle regardless of those two factors. 

Very true.  

It certainly had that end-of-season atmosphere about it and as you say, you can bet it would have been very different with something riding on it.

I still think the club have a hell of a lot of work to do to try and get more of the fans back on board for the new season though.

On 13/04/2024 at 17:56, pikeysrobins said:

So….why the MASS exodus of fans (a) when Huddersfield scored (b) on 85 mins?? I hate it when fans leave early at the best of times but that was embarrassing today. We have been on a good run of late and I know things are petering out to another season of mid-tableness but hey…fair enough if we’re losing 3-0 or similar! I’d like to know how many City fans saw Nahki’s penalty scored as we fought regardless of performance to get on level terms. 

I think you’ll find this is what you get when you disconnect with a large number of your fanbase.  

They don’t feel invested any more, so find it far easier to walk away if they’re watching dross.  I reckon you can put a large amount of blame down t when we turned from fans into customers.

If the product is shit, you can then walk away without conscience.

On 25/11/2023 at 18:56, pongo88 said:

Can anyone write a song about Clarks pies? 

Just replace Thatchers Gold with Clarks Pies and away you go

1 hour ago, phantom said:

There are monthly meetings which are online and anyone can dial in and attend 

When there are wheels in motion the fan base will be made aware straight away 

Thanks, I didn’t know these meetings were online.  I’ll certainly check out

16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It isn't easy on one level, like I say the dilemma of how to treat FA Cup games where they away sides would be entitled to a larger than 2k allocation...could have an equivalent ,number of seats ringfenced elsewhere in the ground for Home fans...because the usual 2k allocation may bit be applicable in the FA Cup.

I'm glad you mentioned engagement more widely too. The SLO has gradually withdrawn from this place and save for one post, has been seen less and less in recent months- apart from the day/period that ST Tickets for 2024-25 were announced.

Check the ask SLO section.

Back on topic, this is it- marginal gains. It can all add up. Away fans influence the game less, we facilitate a 2nd or a larger Safe Standing area.

We should definitely IMO give this a try vs Rotherham.

I’ve made no secret that I’ve got little time for the Lansdown’s or Tinnion, especially after recent events.  

I well remember Tinnion commenting after getting the Manager post that he ‘knew what fans wanted and would be working towards that’, or words to that effect.  With the current lack of involvement by the SLO, someone at the club needs to make the effort to show they actually want to engage with the fanbase, rather than treat us as outsiders and largely irrelevant.

This would now be a chance for Tinnion to walk the walk and actually prove how well he really does know the fanbase and start bringing some very disconnected fans back on board.

As you say, regarding the Atyeo, there could be issues with FA cup games, though we aren’t usually in that competition for long anyway!

Potential safe standing at the back of the SS is another subject that should come into play, particularly with the changes around no more new ST’s being allowed in that stand.  Potential to introduce some safe standing would also provide some justification for those ST changes.  It would also help foster the home advantage and atmosphere.

It would be nice to see these things now being treated with some importance, rather than some tentative meetings that could drag on for ages before any decisions are made.

10 minutes ago, phantom said:

Apologies for repeating myself, but the SC&T have put a paper together and are in the early days of dialogue with the football club about how to improve the matchday experience and improve the atmosphere

Whilst still in the early days the club have met with us on three occasions already and the SC&T are working with the club to see what can be done "easily" and what will "take more time"

Supporters WILL be consulted before anything major changes and if there is enough interest anything is in theory possible

Thanks Phantom and I was aware something was going on between the club and the SC&T.  

While the SC&T are obviously the representatives of the fanbase, it would really help fix some of the damage in the relationship between club and fans if there was a more general connect, rather than just through private meetings.  

Maybe it’s just my perception, but it often feels like fans are viewed as just an irritation, rather than an asset and intrinsic part of the club.

The club are quick enough to put out stuff on FB, Twitter and email about buying ST’s, so it would be equally easy to engage with the general fanbase on even potential changes for the future and gauge the interest.  It just creates a togetherness vibe, rather than them and us, which seems the case atm.

45 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I honestly think home fans behind both goals can help the side. It helps a side.

The other issue is of course cost and revenue. There are a few circles to square but it can't help when you have a while end whereby away fans who are more likely to stand and sing perhaps..our own standing fans tucked into a corner.

There had to be a better way than the current scenario. Giving away fans a whole stand or most of it anyway just doesn't make sense from a football angle..Hull owner said similar, he mentioned why he was moving away fans from behind the goal and referred to the goalkeeper. Found a quick quote.

It is relatively marginal in terms of total revenue, as a %...plus would some home fans in games especially where away fans don't bring many not offset some of this.

It's these kinds of details where our owner could start rebuilding some bridges with the disenfranchised members of our fanbase.  

As you say, it may be a marginal % gain for the team at home, but every little helps and it also has the added benefit of making our fanbase feel more valued.  There's currently such an aloof attitude from SL that it feels like he hardly cares if we even turn up on a match day.  I't would be great to feel everyone was pulling together for the cause at the club, whilst maximising the benefit of us being the home side.  That can only be done from the top, but there appears little effort from the top to engage with the fanbase, other than trying to get us to cough up for another ST! 

5 hours ago, JackofromSanJavier said:

I remember the fans that did travel down South to the Gate waited until the very end (they'd long been relegated) to applaud their side, then they were impressively supportive of our lads as they did their lap of honour too.  I have a lot of respect for Rotherham fans after that day.  Plus, they seem to accept their lot without much fuss……..unlike those delusional sorts over at the stolen rugby ground. 

Got a massive amount of respect for the Rotherham fans for how they conducted themselves that day.  

We’re all aware of some fanbases who can be right knobheads, like the lot in north Bristol for example, but always look on Rotherham fondly since then.

3 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Lets not spoil the result by turning this into Manning vs the board/Tinnion/Nige. Credit to all concerned for the result tonight. A brilliant result!

 

Yeah in all fairness, we’ve had plenty of trouble getting results against lower placed teams, but we certainly gave them a tonking tonight.  

Still not sure if it was just Blackburn being unbelievably shit, but considering their precarious position and we had nothing to play for, we looked far more up for it than they did and we can’t ask for more than that really.

Well pleased tonight and got a nice little run going now

1 hour ago, Cole Not Gas said:

Couldnt get to the Gate so Robins TV did the trick. Leroy loves the players and club, particularly Liam. What a great series of opinions about our coach- might be worth that seagul from Weston taking a listen!! I bet a lot of other recent moaners wont be on here tonight.

With a transfer window to come, with Zak our oldest player starting at 26 and with inspired subs like Liam has made tonight i reckon all our season ticket holders will be delighted  and encouraging their mates too join up as well for August; it isnt long now. Up the City!

Just wondering, are you naturally a pillock, or have you had really practice at it??

3 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

A lot changed in 37 years , 1930 below.

 

Just found this view of the old stand , October 1964

Blimey, that 1930’s shot makes the Gate look more like an out of town ground, with the lack of housing around it.

Makes you think what could have been, if there had been a bit of money to buy up a little more of fhe surrounding land for potential future expansion.  I guess most clubs have been in a similar position in the past though.

7 minutes ago, Leabrook said:

Not really as SC was taking us down.  If he was just outside the play offs he wouldn’t have been sacked 

are you sure?  Someone else was quite recently.