chipdawg

I hope nothing comes of this Sakho nonsense; I'd rather we just went out with grace rather than sneaking through on a technicality, even if said technicality was nothing to do with us

PS nice to see some reasonable and gracious comments from WHam fans

Not bad. Lost to a handball on the line 1st half by Carroll and a handball by Carroll leading to their goal. Different game if we get that 'little bit of luck' SC was talking about in the week.

I think that both handballs would have been harsh (though having watched it a couple of times, I think perhaps Carroll knew what he was doing on the goal line), but on another day they could have been given. But it wasn't another day I suppose

The team did us proud today, that's all I would have asked for at kick off

COYR

Shouldn't even by on the pitch if spotted for that handball on the line.

Even in slow motion it was difficult to spot and it certainly wasn't deliberate. They've been very good at the back and a bit lucky up front. On another day and all that

Not having Korey as an option?

Unbelievable.

I'm pretty sure they got their smiths mixed up. Reid has been immense for them though

For me, he's making the difference at the moment. We could be ahead.

Agreed, though as others have said I could see Agard having a bit more luck. Maybe Elliot for Saville too

Winston Reid is a bloody good player

That said, on this showing we've got some bloody good players too

Good to see Agard on the bench. Surprised about Elliott, but Cotts did say he had half an eye on Tuesday and next Saturday. Maybe he wants him fresh for those two, so not everyone is knackered. Three games quickly is most likely one to many at his age.

It's not surprising that he's zone for Saville; two holding midfielders to try and stop them playing

Been on 10 mins on telly and 8 mins about Bradford ffs.

To be fair, it doesn't matter what we do today that was the result of the round by a country mile

I hope the boys do us proud today. Can't see us winning- we're too used to playing on the front foot and that's too strong a West Ham line up for us to be able to do that- but as long as they show the country what we're all about I'll be happy

COYR!

not been funy giy but we av wun 4 promos in 10 yrs an we wun th cofnerance sheeld so 2 day is a lil oilday 4 us

I've just put this into google translate and it's broken the Internet...

My intense frustration at the dodgy wifi in this restaurant is tempered by the fact WE WON 3-0 AWAY AT PETERBOROUGH!!!!! Tis a good evening

Just heading to get the train from Sheffield, looking forward to this immensely. The word from 'Tarn' fans I've spoken to is that they're good going forward but awful at the back- Danny Wilson's modus operandi perhaps?! So I guess we should be expecting goals galore today

I just have a feeling we might come undone today, we seem to have been getting less and less convincing and if Barnsley offer a genuine goal threat, we could ship a few. As someone else said though, if Cotts puts a rocket up them and maybe even makes a few changes, minds may be refocused

3794 city fans. Class support.

top support

per Chipdawg's question... it is a good one... and honestly i cannot really answer it other than I had a plague of ants some weeks ago.. the tiny ones who seem to come from nowhere and i saw them crawling all over some Chai bags.. maybe they liked the cinnamon scent. They have been vapourized since and no sign of a return colony. One little nest actually resided in my kettle top.. very bizarre place to live; guess they just liked being boiled alive and then decided to take it out on my tea bags which are now safely back in the cupboard.

The ants of Manila have declared war on tea consumption! The response?

"We shall fight on the biscuits, we shall fight on the tea caddies, we shall fight in the mugs and in the tea cups, we shall fight in the kettles; we shall never surrender..."

Good morning all from cloudy and humid Manila where the sun has gone for walkabout this past week but where we have not suffered the rain and lashings of wind and ocean surge they have been experiencing first in Anguilla and then Bermuda. Hurricane Gonzalo was a Category 2, just, when it hit Anguilla but has significantly strengthened to a 4 overnight. One needs to check the weather channel to see where it is now and if indeed it has made landfall over the second British dependent territory in a week. Update from a Brit friend living in Bermuda... passed overnight.. some damage to his property but relatively little.. awaiting further news when power is back. Not that anybody is in the slightest bit interested in that and rightly so. Moving swiftly on..

And talking of Hurricanes then what can we expect from City's marauding attack this glorious day of the week?

I will be back here to update this shortly with further thoughts. Off for a quick cup of English Breakfast.

I placed the English breakfast tea bags in the fridge next to some smelly cheese... duhhhh... a fragrant bouquet if ever there was one; English Danish Blue Tea... hmm..... ?... narghhh..

Can we see anything other than a City win? Hostile crowds and reasonably large ones at that should, surely, be offset by the fact we will have our largest following of the season, and I just want to thank all the City fans going for an absolutely fabulous turn out; all of us who cannot go for time, distance or money reasons really appreciate your support without which we would for sure not pick up so many points on the road. So for those of us listening to the dulcet (sic) or is it dullest tones of live commentary from near or far please do us all proud and sing your lungs out for the boys in... black and white today I am guessing. Be our 12th man and lead us to victoryyyyy.

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Come onnnnn.

Freeman and Agard and Wilbraham with disallowed.

I love saturday, i love it.

Quick question: why do you keep your tea bags in the fridge?

I get that feeling before every game at the moment but Ive enjoyed being wrong.

It's got to happen sooner or later and Chesterfield are in form.

At the end of the day, I do think it's all about us. When we perform we can be too strong for most in L1. The day we turn up and don't perform, there are enough teams that will be decent enough to turn us over.

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong!

Got a feeling we might taste our first defeat today. Sorry everyone

What in 12 mins....? Absolutely nothing happened ? Yeah ok then - find me a game anywhere in the world where nothing whatsoever happens in 12 mins ...?

Calm down sweetheart, I was joking

BBC website shocking - so called text commentary stuck on 11 mins 20 mins into the game !!!

Maybe nothing happened?!

Perhaps you should write a grant proposal But you make the point that the Cathar persecution was as much about politics and power as it was about religion. I agree, ditto the Reformation. Isn't it possible that the current problem with extremist Islam is about politics as well and not religion per se?

The book looks interesting, I may take a look.

I think your final point is a fine one to make

And as for the thesis proposal, I should have added "and a bigger brain than mine!"

Apostasy and heresy are very much part of Christianity and the penalty is death - usually by stoning. Most of these barbaric laws and penalties come from the Old Testament you know, the OT is part of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I'm not sure exactly how many people the Inquisition burned for heresy and apostasy but it's substantial and of course the Reformation and Counter Reformation burned a fair few more here. If you're interested have a look at the history of the Cathars in France - Christianity in its full glory. Of course Christians tend to ignore the laws of the OT these days, there's no reason to believe Islam won;t do the same.

I would agree that the Cathars and the Albigensian Crusade is the perfect example of the horrors or Christianity. If you want to know more, there's a fascinating book called 'The Perfect Heresy' which chronicles it. However, we do need to remember that it's over 800 years since that took place and it was as much a product of the politics of Medieval Europe as it was religion. It may be valid to argue that as Islam is in effect 400 years younger than Christianity, it is still prone to commit the atrocities that Christianity committed 400 years ago, but it would probably take one hell of a post-doctoral thesis to get anywhere near proving that

Again - you miss the point.

Nobody is going to do a survey of Muslims in an Islamic country!

England isn't, and hopefully never will be, so the issue is pointless.

But the debate is a valid one.

Oh and if you can't be civil for 60 minutes over a good meal in decent surrounds, then consider my offer withdrawn. We are too polite to ruin a meal over religion.

I never said you would have to come here. If you like, we'll see you guys before the end of the year . You can choose the restaurant - Anywhere in York/Harrogate is fine by us.

You are starting to lose me here. You brought the whole Brunei thing into the debate as a comparison to the UK- a warning of what might happen, a look at what might become of us. I am not and never have contested that such extreme interpretations of Sharia law are not awful. I agree that the debate is valid I just don't think that the context is in this case. You also mis-interpreted my survey point, which again was related to the idea that Brunei and The UK (and specifically their Muslim populations) could be directly compared

I was of course joking; I'm sure we'd have plenty in common away from religion and politics. But with that greatest of respect, that's all we ever interact about and I'm sure we'll both have family and friends we wish to catch up with over Christmas; especially as I'm going to Canada for much of it. I also may have some trouble selling "would you like to go to Harrogate for dinner with a bloke I met on an Internet forum and his wife?" to be honest

PS while you're in Harrogate visit the 'Harrogate Tap' at the railway station. Some friends of mine run it, excellent beer

You are slowly coming around. No, really, you are.

If you wife cheats on you here - that is a matter for you both.

If she cheats on you in Brunei - she is stoned to death and nothing happens to you. Or the man who bonked your missus.

Don't take this personally. I have nothing against you in the past, now, or in the future.

In fact, I'd like nothing better for both of us and our partners to go out for a meal and put the world to rights.

But Sharia Law is an intrinsic part of Islam - be it in Brunei, Botswana or Boston.

If your wife cheats on you in a sharia law country - she will be stoned to death, and the man who ruined your life will walk away scott free.

Just the same as me and my wife if she did the same.

Sharia law has no place on the planet, let alone pockets of the UK.

Halal is the thin edge.

We both know that - however, you are afraid to admit it.

If you pay for the flights to Sydney it's a deal! I'd give it less than an hour before we've fallen out and the missus has told me off!

But the point is that the outrage caused by Brunei's actions are because of the change in the law, yet it's been a Muslim country for centuries. While Sharia law applies in most Islamic countries, there are many, many interpretations of that- as there have been in countries who's rule of law had been derived from Christian teachings. I'm fairly confident (though couldn't prove it) that if you surveyed British Muslims as to whether they wanted a Brunei-style Sharia system across the whole of the UK, the overwhelming majority would want no such thing. Some would and that should always be a concern, but then again if you surveyed British Christians there would unfortunately be a minority who, for example, would want to make homosexuality illegal. Not to the same extremity as Muslim extremists but there would be a breadth of opinion. I do agree that to an extent the adoption of Halal as the norm is the thin end of the wedge, but it's being driven by commercial concerns rather than religious ones. Could it be hijacked by religious zealots? Perhaps, but I refuse to live my life in fear of what might happen. Perhaps that's niaive, but it's my decision

So, again, what's your point!

And how do you know people don't boycott other chains? You don't.

Cos it's not like the UK, that makes the sharia shit ok does it?

And that's you lefty ***** in a nutshell - "yay for religions - just not anywhere near me".

It is happening now you muppet - people are being stoned to death for adultery, being in love with a person of the same gender, stealing- yay for Islam! Yay for multiculturalism! Yay for Halal!

If Islam becomes the dominant religion - and your wife plays away, she'll be killed, or whipped or raped by the Sharia "Po-Po" as well. And you can do nothing about it.

Your silly left wing liberal ideology won't protect you, or your wife, or your gay son when Islam is the only game in town.

I'm always reminded of Peter Thachell - holding a "Gays and Muslims Unite" poster in a London east end demo.

The Muz kicked the snot out of him.

This rubbish should not be allowed - period.

And for you, and the rest of your pathetic wishy-washy liberal pseudo-elitist currently in control mob - be very careful what you wish for.

You can't understand why millions of Brits aren't listening to you, and indeed despise you.

Read the newspaper comments.

2p

I do so enjoy our chats SX225. Or the lectures you give, I guess would be a more appropriate term

Please read what I said again. I don't agree with this interpretation of Sharia law anywhere in the world. I did say that previously. What I object to is you scaremongering by saying "if it's happened in Brunei, we're next!" You're the one that brought the example of Brunei's new legal system into a thread about whether or not it's right for Subway to stop stocking pork products in some of their stores, not me

So insult my "wishy-washy" political outlook all you like, feel free to call me a "muppet" and (rather perversely) envisage a future where my wife both cheats on me and is stoned to death for it, but at least read the post your responding to and try to join the debate rather than ranting and insulting those who don't share your world view

I will concede that I probably shouldn't be so harsh on the George Clooney's and Richard Branson's of those world. They may well be boycotting all manner of businesses for all manner of reasons and not crowing about it

http://www.westernjournalism.com/shocking-hollywood-actually-takes-decisive-action-radical-sharia-laws/

Seems people outside of this little forum have more open minds.

Let Islam gain a hold and Sharia is not far behind. There are some very important people boycotting Brunei - but they must be bigots as well. Especially that homophobe Stephen Fry, right nazi that bloke........

You do know that Brunei has been a culturally Islamic country for hundreds of years don't you? And that as a jungle-covered, oil-rich sultanate on the Island of Borneo it's one of the least comparable countries to the UK you could come up with?

Don't get me wrong; I think it's absolutely right that pressure is being put on the Sultan of Brunei to reverse laws (almost all of which already applied to 70% of the population) which are barbaric and contrary to every idea of 'human rights' going. But let's not pretend this is part of the creeping rise of Islamification; it's an autocratic ruler making a bad decision for the people he rules. In the name of his religion, yes. But in the name of a religion that has been an intrinsic part of Brunei culture for hundreds of years

As for all the celebrity boycotts, good on them for standing up for what they believe in. It's a shame that they haven't previously boycotted other hotels owned by rulers that enforce Sharia law, such as Fairmont Hotels owned by the Saudi royal family