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  1. Nelson Mandela

    in General Chat

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    The only fact that really counts, is that 40 million people were being ruled by a system that was evil and treated them as sub human.

    Anyone who took up arms in that situation ( after exhausting peaceful means) is a hero in mine and billions of other peoples eyes.

     

     

    BUT just to play devils advocate, those people who voted for the Nats, and beleive me I aint a fan  of theirs, feared for THEIR futures with all the Communist, equally racist, and zenophobic actions of the ANC, and other more extreme organizations. My grandparents lived in SA from 56 to 91 when they died. No fans of the boere, they feared the alternative. Go on laugh, BUT, remember what happened in the Belgian Congo when the Belgiques bailed out, the MAU Mau in Kenya, and the Algerian civil War..Rhodesians although holding views nowhere as extreme or racist, were worried by precisely the same thing. Leaving the issue of land reform (which EVERYBODY of every colour knew  had to be dealt with), the mere fact you could make a business up from nothing then then lose it to simple politics of envy, disguised as idealogy.....kinda makes your approach different. Uniquely among the ANC (and all other so called "liberation" parties too) Mandiba understood the simple fact that white people in Southern Africa from Kenya, Zambia, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana & South Africa never regard themselves as colonists, but Africans. Pity too many ****wits like Hain and his verminous kind never made the same connection. As soon as this points gets through, then things change. Mandiba knew this, which is why the Afrikaaner bigots of the Nats, the AWB and all fellow travellers feared him above all others, and why they really smeared him so badly.

     

    Yes he was a legally convicted terrorist (he did after all admit to being one) but he was unique in that he used violence as a tool, not aan idealogy..which is why the stupid Boere should have released him 10 years before they under De Klerk courageously did.

  2. Nelson Mandela

    in General Chat

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    The Church st Pretoria bombing was in direct response to murders that the SA government committed.

    It was in response to a South African cross-border raid into Lesotho in December 1982 which killed 42 ANC supporters and civilians, and the assassination of Ruth First, an ANC activist and wife of Joe Slovo, in Maputo, Mozambique.

    I'm presuming you feel it was ok for the South African apartheid government to kill innocent people on a daily basis, but the ANC were not allowed to respond?

    Apartheid caused the whole situation,a cruel and injustice way of treating human beings.

    When people are backed into a corner they will respond in any way possible.

    That's what happened to the coloured people of SA.

    Imagine if the Germans had invaded us in the 40's. Do you think our people would have just accepted it, or fought back with any means possible.

     

     

    Actually being an African myself, I'll reverse that arguement. If Terrorists shoot down civil airliners down with SAM's then machine gun the survivors, do you expect Rhodesian (or South African, as both countries suffered from brutal attacks on civilians, it wasnt all one sided) not to go and capture kill the terrs? We had to do so, and the terrs/freedom fighters (depending on your point of view) purposely hid among the refugees, the women the kids, the schools, the hospitals...one raid the Rhodesians carried out killed over 2000 terrorists, and about 400 civilians. some 100 tons of weapons and munitions were captured. I beleive the liberal press accused us of planting the evidence. 100 tons of munions planted? Using Alouette III's? Hmmmmmmmm..

     

    Mandela admitted being a terrorist, planting bombs. He was honest. His "comrades" werent/arent/will never be.

     

    As for the IRA arguement, thats a mixture of terrorism/patriotism/gangsterism..and they just bombed maimed murdered people to keep their little patch safe from security forces intervention...

  14. Nelson Mandela

    in General Chat

    Posted

    Sadly since he left South African politics, the country is on the slippery slope to becoming yet another failed and corrupt African state.

    Sadly you are right. There is currently a high number of whites being murdered and just as under apartheid the perpetrators are being protected by government.

    Some black politicians are openly saying Indians & other Asians should be kicked out, and Julius Maleme is openly saying whites should be murdered if they resist dispossession.

    None of Mandelas well known humility, tolerance, honesty, spirit of compromise, colourblindness is currently showing amongst the pigs in the (corrupt) trough ANC national, provincial & municipality political leadership.

    Most black people have gained nothing from freedom. The comrades of the ANC have..

    Whites unless extremely wealthy, or self employed, are at the bottom of the economic pond.

    The police are worse than they were under apartheid, and more corrupt.

    The countries various communities are zenophobic..just ask the regugees from Zim who have flooded in, since Mugabes blatant attempt to hang onto power. Mbeki and now Zuma have singularly failed to lead on the issue of Mugabe, something Mandela would not have done. Indeed the Old Crocodile (Mugabe) is known to hate, and be jealous of Mandiba's skills, tolerance and popularity.

    I hope to God this does not continue, or there will be a blood bath in Southern Africa, not just South Africa.

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