cheese

Has he signed yet?

And I'm referring to all the other civilian deaths and casualties at the hands of the group he founded. Feel free to ignore that fact if it doesnt suit YOUR agenda.

Not at all, but if you took the time to take the splinter out of your eye and read what I was responding to you might get it.  The question was the date of the Church Street Pretoria bombing and where was Mandela at the time.  Clearly the answer was the one I gave - it didn't need a list of all the bombings and their dates now did it.  It's a bit like asking when you're birthday is and you responding with all the dates of your family.  That wasn't the question.  Jeez.

Other bombings occurred or so news reports would suggest.

We were talking about Church Street, Pretoria.  Do keep up.

Just the one was it?

In Church Street, Pretoria?  Just the one I believe.

As i said, his intentions were good but his actions were not. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Imagine if Lee Rigby's squadron had opened fire on the mosque where his killers prayed, would you say their actions were justified? If the germans did invade us, i think any resistance would have been directly at them and not on innocent civilians. So Hitler takes command of Buck House and Downing Street, I'll tell you what i'll do, i'll go blow up a public space where innocent people are walking around, that'll show them.

 

In Mandela's trial, he said he would be willing to die for his cause, and that i commend him for. But when it comes to bombing innocent people, I simply cannot bring myself to agree. He should have gone down the Malcolm X & Dr Martin Luther King or Gandhi route of preaching non-violence to achieve their aim. Killing innocent people makes him as bad as the oppressors he was trying to overthrow in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

well done Eco & cheese, by the precedent set by the pair of you, Hitler is now no longer responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. He didn't drive the trains to the death camps, he didn't pull the trigger, he didn't set the explosions, he didn't start the fires, he was in the government offices and hideaway retreats when these acts were going on. In Mandela's autobiography, he admitted that he ordered and "signed off" the church street bombing and his followers and fellow ANC / MK members carried out the attacks.

 

 

Political party with a military wing, bombing innocent civilians when peace talks break down, fighting against an oppressive imperialistic government that have no right imposing themselves on their country.... am I talking about Sinn Fein & the IRA for Westminster on Northern Ireland or the ANC & MK for Aparthied regime in South Africa???

 

Can't remember Hitler being incarcerated while the Jews were systematically exterminated.  Neither was Hitler killing Jews because they were the majority oppressors killing innocent Germans and denying them any rights.

If you are going to make comparisons can we compare apples with apples, oranges with oranges etc, rather than apples and computers - as you have done?

I'm afraid none of your comparisons and analogies make any sense whatsoever.  Even the IRA example doesn't bear scrutiny.  

Must do better I'm afraid.

Where was Mandela when these actions occurred ?

I'll answer for him as it won't suir his agenda.  The bombing was 20th May 1983, Mandela was released from prison on the 11th February 1990.

Where did I say it wasn't justified?

It was implied.  Don't be obtuse.

Ok you win, he DIDN'T co-found that group and they DIDN'T commit terrorist acts (sorry, didn't fight for freedom).

 

Congratulations, you just changed history!

No, you're the one changing history.  Presumably you also find the actions of the French resistance and various other resistance movements of the 2nd world war unjustifiable too?

It is amazing that so many people on this website can believe the official line on Mandela. He was a terrorist as is Mugabe of Zimbabwe. He would have been released at any time if he had rejected violence and stopped the killing of whites. Perhaps you could explain why Winnie Mandela necklaced so many African kids

A terrorist you say.  In the same way the French resistance were "terrorists" perhaps?

"Mark my words, this stadium will be built."

Sounds pretty hollow now.  Please go.

Hmm, anyone know Gilletts best position, I thought he was anywhere across the midfield, anyways looks like a 4-1-3-2 to me

He's very good across the face of goal.  Shaves it very close in midfield.

club statement

 

http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/20131030-clubstatement-1144359.aspx

Ah that explains it - it violates one of our pillocks  pillars, hanging's too good for 'em then!

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