Maesknoll Red

Hardcore Corbinyte. Sad some of these people will never come out of their political bubbles. I’m pretty open politically and have voted at one time or another for all three main parties (and once for Monster Raving Looney). This isn’t a dig, but I bet Corbyn, Mc Donald and co are fucking ecstatic that they didn’t get elected and have to deal with this. The critics on here aren’t in the Cabinet office, hearing the scientific advice, the financial advice, the medical input, the moral dilemmas etc. Who would want that job, no one one here I bet. I have no doubt mistakes will be made, they would be no matter who was PM, that happens in unprecedented situations. The comments on the health service being overwhelmed due to cuts is bollocks - in this instance, not normal times - unless a politician had a crystal ball 10 years ago and could have planned for this with recruitment, training, building, warehousing and manufacture, we could have had the most socialist government in the world, who didn’t even have austerity in their vocabulary and it would still be overwhelmed. Its time to for the dyed in the wool lefties and Tories to forget those political differences and work together on getting us through this and coming out the other side in the best shape we can. It’s going to take some efforts to get through and recover from it, but once the recovery is under way, that’s time for the political dogmas to be resurrected.

Looking like a PM in the making.....

This is a decent read.

I think the data is still too raw, not detailed enough, you can find articles to suit nearly whatever death rates you chose. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says No idea what the answer is, all we can do is follow the advice and guidance of the epidemiologists and health experts and hope they get it right. But does there come a point where it gets taken out of health professionals hands? Governments cannot allow their plans to be followed if they result in financial ruin for whole economies, as @Red-Robbo has said, this could lead to many deaths from other causes, including suicides.

Isle of Man has a pretty strict ruling on self isolation..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-51974140

Ah, I don't watch filums so thats why. Last one I saw was, under duress with a young lady, Bridget Jones Diary. Maybe I'll have to get an interest in them if we get locked down.

Sorry, over my head that one, you'll have to explain it. I really should do some work.....

Absolute c***s, I have nothing more in my fridge than usual. I saw someone with loads of stuff in a trolley last week and unless they owned a large B&B, I have no idea how they would eat it all before it went rotten - and by the size of them, a few smaller portions wouldn't do their survival chances any harm either.....

It's along the line of what I have been saying, for the greater good, we will have to have some normality and accept that there will be some people infected because of this. What good is saving a few lives if it causes huge suffering to the majority of the population? That may sound harsh, but sometimes there has to be sacrifices made. I am of the same opinion, how can national economies possibly cope, there may be food in warehouses now, but if the world is locked down for an extended period, where will the new supplies come from?

I don't think we'll know which way this is going for a while yet, but I really would like to see some end date and plan on getting back to normal and I'd accept that it might have consequences for a few.

Nicely taken out of context.....

The after effects lasting for decades, people are likening to the war, the after effects lasted decades........ If things take two years to return to any sort of normality, what will normality look like then?

We'll see... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51963486 And of course I hope you're right, I'd like to think you are, but can't see it.

There will surely have to lifting of restrictions, maybe temporarily, for periods, in any risk modelling, cost v lives is taken into account.

Lots of women went into factories and many other 'mens' roles for the first time, from what elderly relatives have told me things went on as normally as possible - bearing in mind there was a lot of manual work and no IT, lesisure industries etc.

The war didn't have such restrictions on movement, it created jobs not destroyed them.....

It hasn't sounded good for weeks. I can't see anything but civil disorder and society breaking down if this carries on too long. It's unprecedented, its going to have effects that last for years, if not decades.

Many can't work at home, for those that can if offices are shut , then the use of power just switches surely, I have a laptop and monitor plugged in at home, I would have a laptop and two monitors at work - not sure what the difference is?

That's religion for you.....

Seems that not all sport is shutting down, I am booked into a week long fishing festival from 28/3 along with 179 others (I guess a few won't come) - Parkdean who own the site are saying it's business as usual and if you cancel, there is no refund. Seems they are just being greedy. Whilst fishing is a fairly isolated sport, there would usually be gatherings in the bar/restaurant on site at night.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/20122.pdf

It probably is, but unless someone does it, the figures are meaningless. It seems that many of the papers etc. run with headlines that contain figures from data that has no normalisation done. Just creating more hysteria.

He’s just jotting down the names of the ones asking awkward questions, maybe he’s taking lessons from China.........

There will be differences, percentage of smokers, workers conditions - dust, pollution etc.- ages, so that data will all need normalising before it means anything.