Nibor

Why are you such an angry individual?

You condem people that are aggressive at Football so why are you so aggressive when trying to make a point? trying so hard to belittle people who don't agree with you.

You should get a life ban yourself for being such a condescending nause.

The violent scum are now innocent? Make your mind up.

The people arrested are innocent until proven guilty.  The violent scum will be proven guilty.  The chances are that only those caught on CCTV being violent have been arrested and will therefore likely be convicted.

Seriously is this hard to understand or something?  You may be better off going back to colouring in, just remember not to eat the crayons.

Yawn. All innocent until proven guilty. No doubt the high drama of the dawn raids appeal to your love of overblown rhetoric and smugness.

Of course they're innocent until proven guilty but if you're not willing to engage both braincells and realise the only ones nicked will be the ones on CCTV - reality is they're all going to get convicted.

I'd suggest you steer clear of words you don't know how to use properly.

Give it a rest you drama queen.

I'm not the one whinging about dawn raids and doors being smashed in.  I'm just glad that the police are persuing violent scum.  Carry on looking for excuses and apologising for them though.

How do you know what the dawn raids were for?

Applying some basic thought? What do you think the arrests are for, singing? It will be for violent offences, obviously.

Who has committed affray? Are you an apologist for the police who treat football fans like the scum of the earth?

Of course I'm not an apologist for the police treating football fans badly...

Aren't you able to make the link between the police's treatment of football fans and the scumbags that give them the excuse to act like that?

Any proper football fan should be fully behind the arrest and prosecution of anybody behaving violently at a football match.

Sad to see the usual apologists for the vermin out in force.

Affray is a serious offence, so's GBH. Why shouldn't people get nicked for it?

We're talking about the few dozen worst offenders here not the thousands that ran on the pitch. They'll have CCTV evidence for each one.

Stop trying to help the scumbags hide and excusing their actions, it's just as embarrassing.

Embarrassing for Bristol, the club and most of us but hopefully the violent scum will be inside and away from football for a long old while.

Just remember before you laugh that your "Redevelopment" has to go through the Planning people and if their fingers get burnt with ours then they are going to go even more careful with yours and maybe reject it.. This really is a case of Bristol Football against the World. Its a shame the whole of Bristol isn't within the jurisdiction of South Glos. We might have both had our stadiums now in both our first choice places ie you at Ashton Vale and us at UWE.

You're trying to build a supermarket on a memorial in an area which is already well served and has a unique high street full of independent traders that the council have said they will protect by limiting supermarket planning applications... You are a long way from getting that done, you have two or three years of legal battles ahead of you yet and watch what happens to the project cost in that time.

All of this has nothing to do with the planning for our new ground, building a supermarket on our old one (both of which are already safely through) or a plan to redevelop our existing ground which will sail through. None of which benefited from anything but derision from the blue few I might add.

I think the odds are good that us and the rugby club will be playing in a new or redeveloped stadium a long time before Higgs has managed to deliver.

I said that he COMPARED Holloway to Glitter, which he did. If I compared you to Ian Huntley, Adolf Hitler or Gary Glitter I suspect you would find the inference objectionable. I would. Banter is banter but that is sick.

I expect if you compared most people to Huntley, Hitler or Glitter they'd come out of it looking pretty good to be honest.

Let's face it, if he was ex-City rather than ex-Rovers, we'd all be shooting trouser custard at the very mention of his name...

Nope.

He's a complete**** and I'm embarrassed for Bristol every time I hear his idiotic voice spouting nonsense in the media.

FFS this is the problem with these forums.... you can't say anything negative even when you're watching the club go down the pan.

I haven't given up on the club but I'm also not going to say "yay we have 16 games left", "yay we have 15 games left", "yay we have 14 games left" etc I want to see us win games... sue me, I'm not going to be happy with losing when we simply cannot afford to lose right now.

I love this club so I want us to win, I want us to turn it around, I'm aware we're not going to win 16 games but the sooner we get more points and get to safety the happier I'll be, deal with it.

How does negativity help us turn it around?

Bad day for results but those will happen between now and the end of the season. Let's not let this be a confidence destroyer, away at Blackburn wasn't a game we'd have expected anything out of at the start of the season and we're without Adomah, Skuse and Carey for half of it. Chin up, fight on.

16 and we're 5 points behind Wolves and 7 behind Ipswich, Sheff Wed and Bolton. We're even currently 3 points behind a team who are in the relegation with us.

I swear sometimes people need to accept we're in the s***, yes it's possible to get out of but it's also possible for Liverpool to win the Premiership but let's face it.... it's not likely.

I've not given up but the fact is we need to turn this result around, we need to average 1.3 points a game, this game we're getting 0 which mean the points per game needed will go up! It's not getting better is it!

Don't be so ******* miserable. We're going to lose games and this is away, we still won the last two and even if we lose this 6 from 4 since SOD took over is enough to stay up. We need positive support not defeatist negativity.

Swansea's prices are what... 15-20% above ours now? QPR's are much higher. It's a very big raise all in one go and probably a bit too much but they're not comparable really.

What price were the season ticket renewals? QPR's went up hugely even for long term season ticket holders.

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Mental selection and formation IMO. We'll be lucky to get a 0-0 draw playing long ball up to them. How we can leave out our midfield three from Saturday where we dominated possession I don't know.

I'll be delighted to hear an I told you so.

Not another striker surely?

Or blocks.

There would be a bit of crossing over but it would be better than what we have now which at times leads to a lot of bad feeling, cross words and even followed by

But IMO not better than just making it unreserved.

The club shop could simply ask fans if they wanted singing or non singing seats and have an option on line. This would also cut down on the events that blight some of our away games e.g sitters v Standers at St Marys. Many supporters would be all to happy to purchse tickets knowing there was a reduced possibilty of not having to face somebodys arse constantly waving around in front of them.

Why is this thread in the non footy forum??

And when allocations get sold out people would just buy whatever's available.

There's no harm in having a singers block I'm just pointing out it's impossible to enforce allocation like bucks seemed to be asking.

Would it be so hard just to keep one block aside to sell to the noisy fans?

Of course not, the hard bit would be ensuring only noisy fans buy the tickets in that block.

Can't see any possible way to actually administrate that. Singing tests at the ticket office?

The best you'll ever get it some designated blocks but there'll never be any restriction on buying them and I'd rather just see unreserved so it sorts itself out.

Quite.

Otherwise clubs could do as they wish and then as long as Board A moved the club onto Board B before the league realised how dire their situation was, they'd be let off.

(Directed not at Nibor now but bucksred or whoever it was replied to me...)

Again I say; what other footballing sanction would you apply in this situation to punish the club (despite what we think of the idiots who got Luton into this situation they're being there WAS the result of action by the Luton Supporters Trust (or whatever it is) to save the club from administration for the second time in 6 years.

I agree; it's a horrible situation the club ended up in but there is no other way of dealing with these until the league change their competition rules (which they won't because it's their league and they can do as they like).

Well, basically I agree with you.

The league has a responsibility to it's member clubs to ensure that clubs are able to fulfill fixtures. It can't be any other way or the league is a joke. If clubs are allowed to operate financially in a way that endangers their future and hence their ability to fulfill fixtures then that responsibility can't be met.

Aside from having to approve all the clubs spending (which is impossible for many reasons) all the league can reasonably do is offer a strong deterrent and that strong deterrent has to be a points sanction. The rules are clear and are accepted by every club every season and Luton broke them repeatedly. To not enforce the sanction removes the deterrent from every other club and makes it more likely that other clubs will be as reckless. It also makes a mockery of the competition putting clubs who run sensibly at a disadvantage competing for players with those who don't.

So, whilst I have sympathy for Luton fans, I can't see that docking them five more points than Leeds for the same offence but compounded by it being the third administration in 10 years is unfair. I must admit I'm surprised that the league stuck to the 10 points for the dodgy payments - that seemed to me to be an opportunity to show a little grace, but I don't know what the rules or precedents are there.

The latter part of your argument are entirely relevant to the first part of my argument. the new board have been heavily punished for the irregularities of the previous board in particular. The new board is completely unable to make any arrangements because no one knows where or what is there or not there. Lu'on were fined last season for going into administration, this new board as I understand it, are unable to get out of this situation, because of the previous boards antics, and is therefore unable to make any garantees, and this further means its almost certain they'll go into administration, AGAIN, when they drop out of the league, due to drop in revenue, and drop of already shrinking gates there now.

By the way, I do beleive Lu'ons board are or have not so far waived their right to appeal. I may be wrong.

The penalty is meant to be a deterrent, not a punishment of the existing board.

The ire should not be aimed at the league but at the ***** who put them in that position in the first place.

Although I've got sympathy for Luton fans I've got more sympathy for clubs who didn't spend beyond their means and already dropped out of the league as a result.