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I was answering a point the poster made regarding 90% can't do it, and win anything. The point is uneven. Liam Manning is developing and integrating his football into the team. This will take time and will require compromises due to resources (Mr Lansdown). Development is linear. This is stage one. The basics are being established the squad has players who will cope, and players who can't technically, and any squad will have those who won't do. An evaluation after months. Key positions need strengthening. Key positions need strengthening to play the possession football Mr Manning wants. Last nights failure was an expectation, its going to happen, this team is being developed, and has players in key positions that significantly tactically limit its scope. That is not a reason to bin the intent, morph through styles (LJ), get loads of players of differing qualities costing shitloads of money (LJ) its a reason to marginally improve pragmatically elements in the quest to get closer to the coaches vision.

I would question where you are getting your stats from. The top four in the division play forms of possession football. Burnley last season? Another yes.

A point I have made at GK CB and CM the team needs players with key qualities on the ball. The quality is they cant be be average on the ball, they have to be good enough to link up play, play simple quick early reset and switch and at times take possession in tight spaces and keep it. The team needs these leaders and cultural architects to meet the expectations and intent of the model CIty are playing to. And these players are?

What kind?

But this includes? Range. Variety of passes x length. Short and long and multiple surfaces (striking parts of the foot). Considering the team intent, the teams build up play what are the fundamental qualities necessary in the number one? Average ability to distribute the ball, below average or good? Do Max O'Leary qualities make him a suitable player for a possession based team playing positional football?

Prowed punched a horse. On a scale of poor decisions? Poor. Disgust triggers the insula, along with anger and fear. Primitive fight and flight response. Acting with anger, disgust, fear are frequently poor decision making. Its a subconscious highly reactive defensive mechanism. I feel City played with intensity, controlled intensity v West Ham. Intensity that was intelligent.

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Sweeping is not natural. It is instruction. O'learys interventions have increased due to instruction. In regards to your last line the keepers qualities should meet the team intent. Liam Manning has stated he wants to dominate possession. How does the keepers qualities meet that intent and principle? Max O'leary passing accuracy is amongst the worst in the division.

Emotion will also feed poor decision making. The more emotional we become the poorer our decisions frequently will become. Footballers need to engage their intelligent minds more rather than the primitive.

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If you look at the top of the championship, or the EPL you see? 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and one CF. You will see the same themes throughout football.

If the team is attempting to create numerical superiority wide in an attempt unbalance, overloading to isolate the opposition the answer is no. The chances of a scoring are increased by creating 1v1's and players joining in to create the overload. Go 4-4-2 and the opponents sit in and don't shift because the overload is lost in midfield. If the intent is to go wide and cross its the reverse.

Yes 100% Max O'leary can improve. Vision cannot be physically improved, unless we mean using visual aids. We improve football intelligence, and skills - interpreting what is happening in front of us, visual cues, relation to the game, spatial awareness ... And that's training. Training to expect the expected to and the minds creates memory based upon training, its patterns of play which increase intensity, sharpness, fluency .. Max O'leary will be working on his patterns of play, and in units etc. Improvement is linked to technical ability. We wont see startling driven passes in a millisecond effortlessly landing at the full back/wb's feet like Pickford. We wont see the ball being pinged accuracy over varying distances. O'leary is a solid capable keeper and his distribution is decent. If BCFC are to be this possession based team, playing out, if this a real change in direction .. A core high level of ability to distribute is fundamental in goal.

Excellent. Could they be clobbered a bit further up the park? There could be a sense in driving the ball off the pitch deep in the opponents half and moving the defence to the half way line and the midfield/forwards applying pressure to the throw. The area O'leary hits diagonally is not sixty metres away. O'leary is aiming at areas shorter.

Teams play in patterns. Bristol City do. This is rehearsed. Players deliberately take up positions. The diagonal balls are instruction. The team is allegedly playing possession football. Max O'leary's passing accuracy is on the low side. The question remains why is the team pursuing a tactic that is challenging for the keeper to perform and so ineffective?

Exclude areas adjacent to the eighteen yard box norms differ. The answers to increase possession can really be yes, to throw the ball shorter, backwards and laterally more. These throws are more successful and efficient. In pro football short throw ins are taken less than medium and long throws, and the ball is thrown forwards more than backwards and laterally. A team that throw the ball short and backwards frequently are some outfit called Man City. They frequently reset using the CB, pivot, keeper etc. Its a bit more involved than that due to the extreme width and depth moving away from the thrower to create space to throw, but Man City throw shorter (very) and backwards more to gain more (highest frequently measured) possession off their throws

The keeper is instructed where to put the ball. He is not ignoring the rest of the pitch and going to the same area diagonally with some regularity, so this is a intent. This is a rehearsed option. Why? I don't know. Hence I cant answer my question.

I have an idea. There are differing measurements and from where. Generally forward throws result in lost possession. Teams can expect to lose the ball a lot. We can expect the opponents to reach the ball 54% of the time and that is clearances etc. The 46% is not securing possession its making a connection with the ball, and the second contact goes to the opposition as well who will have depth and numerical superiority. The generals alter with aptitude in the team. Improving range of throwers improves options and ball retention. If full backs etc have limited range and that can be - 20metres with accuracy, generally this can be improved. Throw ins are not developed, they tend to be neglected, altering the release point, run up, hand position with practice increases range, sometimes to high degrees. Is it worth? Depending on the intent of the team yes. If your team is possession based you want more of the ball. For the amount of possession City have throw ins are 5/6% of the possession. Throwing the ball, backwards secures the ball 99% of the time, more possession. Lateral throws to feet again higher possession, City can improve hitting feet with regularity. Variety v down the line to a head again equals more possession . There is the answer, more possession is good for BCFC.

If 35/38 was securing possession that is remarkable.

What are the differing ideas? I could understand what Mr Johnson was attempting. Liam Manning has been using a variant that I don't understand. Could you explain why from the keeper, from dead balls and from open play City play a ball to a isolated wide receivers head, dramatically reducing the possibility of retaining possession?

Yes. This is exactly what happens when you have confidence in your team mates ability and you know that they can carry out the team expectations adeptly. Players who cannot perform core tasks create doubt, uncertainty and tactical limitation. If City's identity is to be possession based the spine of the team will need to be comfortable in possession of the ball - That is a fundamental requirement.

Its different. City would overload one side in an effort to win the second ball off Bryan winning the first. There was and is no effort to go over the full backs head as it is/was a diagonal ball into a wide receiver positioned before the half way line. Currently City are doing something similar, but with a very obvious difference. There is no overload around the diagonal ball so if City win the first contact, they are unlikely to win the second contact as numerically opponents getting compact out number City's players. Why, the difference? Dunno.

The shapes and patterns the team play would alter because of his exceptional ability with the ball a his feet. He would spread confidence throughout the team because of his outlier capability. Ederson does not do might do, he does and regularly in excess of any other keeper in the world because of his range and symmetrical passing off multiple surfaces. Is Liam Manning adopting a style or an identity? If possession is part of the identity of the team not every keeper will be suited to a possession based team. What possession based system is it that does not depend upon the high level efficiency of its keeper to distribute the football? Difficult to think of those that omit the keeper. If possession based play is a priority, the keeper possessing the ability to distribute the ball has to be a key priority, its a major part of the principles. You cant just bung any keeper in to a system they don't have the skills for and hope it works. Possession football requires advanced foot skill in the no 1, the ability to dictate play. Its fundamental to attack and rest defence.

I can't think of any teams comfortable in possession with average on the ball in goal. Manning will have his work cut out to achieve a team comfortable in possession without one.

Success should be securing possession. If possession is secured - Under control that's massive. Statsbomb will do the watching for you.