The Journalist

The gambling addiction element is really interesting and, I strongly suspect, is what informed Gareth Southgate's excellent answer on the case the other day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65699477

Reading between the lines he certainly wouldn't have agreed with the FA's stance on it, particularly taking into account this element of the report...

The FA submitted that the final sanction in this case should be a minimum of 12 months suspension. That in part was based upon a contended higher starting point because of the alleged concealment by deletion of texts and concealing an additional phone, an allowance of only 20% for the guilty pleas because some were not made at the first opportunity, and the assertion that there was inadequate evidence of gambling addiction to warrant any reduction. Those submissions were not accepted by the Commission for the reasons set out above.

On one hand, this is clearly very serious and a ban was merited. On the other hand, gambling addiction is a serious mental illness and should be treated as such in my opinion.

It seems, to me, that the FA weren't buying that part of it and just wanted to go in as hard as possible.

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I’m sure that’s exactly the reaction the OP was looking for, relentless negativity.

Surely just needs some more hobbies. Imagine being miserable all season because we were mid-table in the Championship.

Imagine a scenario where Joe Bryan slots into left-back and Cameron Pring moves into midfield.

36 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Joe Bryan confirmed

We've been rickrolled. It's never really occurred to me before, but it's hard to believe a man that young - 21 at the time - could produce a voice... like that.

12 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

I remember his performance in the Everton cup game as one of the best I'd seen...

The double save from McFadden's penalty up there with the best piece of goalkeeping I've ever seen live (or certainly the one I always think of)...

On 03/05/2023 at 11:11, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

Posted this in another Wrexham thread the day they sealed promotion. Think it's worth repeating because everyone here criticising the media has no grasp of the scale of the story, nor the wider interest in it...

I think the whole “media love-in” thing is interesting - it’s very much a two-way street. You can promote the shit out of a story/event but if people aren’t interested it doesn’t land (and, believe me, we do plenty of that).

The interest in this story has been genuinely phenomenal today though - the traffic some of the content has driven has been extraordinary and blown me away, I guess because it’s a story that transcends sport.

So yeah, just wanted to make that point from a position of actual knowledge - yes, the media have bought in but so has the audience. Why? Because whether you like it or not it’s a good - and pretty ridiculous - story!

 And when asked where the audience was based...

Predominately the UK. It’s fair to say the story has done relatively big traffic in North America (last month the Wrexham page was the fourth-most visited by US readers, more than Man City!), but actually BBC audience numbers for sport in the US aren’t that huge in the grand scheme of things.

What is interesting though, as you allude to, is the type of audience coming to the story. Yesterday’s live page was particularly popular with younger readers, for example.

We were also interested in the thumbs up/thumbs down balance on the goal posts. I’d have expected it to be relatively even, a mixture of well wishers and cynical fans who want Wrexham to fail (a bit like on this thread), but there were 3,300 ups v 130 downs on the third goal. That’s fairly unprecedented.

So yeah, I think it just goes to prove this is way more than just a straight football story/run-of-the-mill ‘non-league team wins promotion’ tale. It’s a great news story which the audience has engaged with to a level way beyond my expectations.

2 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said:

Did Darren Barnard,Tinnion or Bell ever miss one,can't remember off the top of my head?

I saw Bell blaze a last-minute penalty over the bar at Blackpool in a 0-0 draw. That was the only one I can recall him missing, though. Was generally really good from the spot.

I feel like Tinnion had at least one saved, but can’t remember the game…

Just now, tin said:

Is that traffic predominantly from within the UK, though, or is there a spike in traffic from North America? 

Predominately the UK. It’s fair to say the story has done relatively big traffic in North America (last month the Wrexham page was the fourth-most visited by US readers, more than Man City!), but actually BBC audience numbers for sport in the US aren’t that huge in the grand scheme of things.

What is interesting though, as you allude to, is the type of audience coming to the story. Yesterday’s live page was particularly popular with younger readers, for example.

We were also interested in the thumbs up/thumbs down balance on the goal posts. I’d have expected it to be relatively even, a mixture of well wishers and cynical fans who want Wrexham to fail (a bit like on this thread), but there were 3,300 ups v 130 downs on the third goal. That’s fairly unprecedented.

So yeah, I think it just goes to prove this is way more than just a straight football story/run-of-the-mill ‘non-league team wins promotion’ tale. It’s a great news story which the audience has engaged with to a level way beyond my expectations.

I think the whole “media love-in” thing is interesting - it’s very much a two-way street. You can promote the shit out of a story/event but if people aren’t interested it doesn’t land (and, believe me, we do plenty of that).

The interest in this story has been genuinely phenomenal today though - the traffic some of the content has driven has been extraordinary and blown me away, I guess because it’s a story that transcends sport.

So yeah, just wanted to make that point from a position of actual knowledge - yes, the media have bought in but so has the audience. Why? Because whether you like it or not it’s a good - and pretty ridiculous - story!

Pretty amazing to think that 10 years ago they beat Sheffield United and Brentford in the League One play-offs to reach the Championship.

I would urge people to wait and see on Wilson.

Pearson isn’t like previous managers - many assumed Vyner and Pring would never really play for us again 12-18 months ago, for example, but now they’re among our first picks.

There’s obviously something there Pearson isn’t completely satisfied with but by the same token as soon as Wilson buys in he’ll get his chance. And there’s no reason to think he won’t.

Big summer ahead for him.

Amazing night. A genuine privilege to have commentated on it. The sort of thing you dream about as a kid.

Being a football journalist with a young family living 150 miles away from Bristol hasn’t been particularly conducive to watching City live - in fact, I’ve probably only been to about a dozen games during the past decade - but getting to do that game, the last Bristol derby and the night we beat Manchester United presumably means I qualify as a bit of a lucky charm.

10 hours ago, GrahamC said:

The disparity in funding by the BBC with over the bridge is stark.

Pretty much every game played by Swansea & Cardiff (home & away) has a BBC Wales reporter who writes the match report. 

The coverage that Wrexham, Newport & Glamorgan cricket all get from the BBC is off the scale when compared to similar English sides.

Still it’s not unique, unlike in England they get free prescriptions for all, free bus travel 7 years earlier than we do & capped tuition fees, all paid for of course from the same taxation system.

 

Couldn’t really comment.

(Completely agree)

Lots of speculation about who his replacement will be but I'm not sure there will be one. His role is exactly the type of job - sports presenting, but not commentating or producing - BBC England are looking to close. It wouldn't surprise if he's walking out on VR (not that it's anyone's business).

By some distance the best interviewer in the region and the job of effectively holding our sports clubs to account is now all on James Piercy. Nobody else even comes close to those two.

Wonder who will be his last guest/our last guest?

10 hours ago, The Journalist said:

I think you’re still missing one…

Keith Downing! Had a caretaker spell at West Brom in the Premier League and was named as joint caretaker for one game with Paul Simpson after Dean Holden’s sacking.

10 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Yes! 

I think you’re still missing one…

Edit: have double checked and you are! Technically speaking, there’s one more…

4 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Thought that was a very good performance. 

Lots of good performances in there, thought we saw the first glimpses of what we want to do with Cornick too, lots of tidy one touch football in the final third to work openings. 

Encouraging.

 

I thought we were the better team from the moment Andy King came on. He made a huge difference, just gave us that control and composure.

I feel genuinely really pleased for the players - plenty of people getting on their backs but I think they've been playing pretty well even through the sticky patch.

Football is ultimately about results, I get that, but football fans are a nightmare for judging a performance on the scoreline rather than the actual performance.

For all the moaning, we really deserved that.

Ignoring the scoreline, minutes 21-40 have been a million times better than minutes 1-20. Much better with King on.

I don't mind the miss so much... but he HAS to roll that five yards to give Sam Bell a tap-in.

Clearly only 20 minutes in, plenty of time to go etc etc but this sort of performance does highlight how hard it will be to replace Alex Scott (if we didn't know that already).

I don't for a minute think they'd look at Pearson, but hypothetically I wonder if he'd stay or go.

Whether we like it or not the vast majority of managers would snap your arm off for a move from us to Leicester (and a genuine chance at staying in the Premier League), but I wonder whether having put so much work in, and at this point in his life, he'd want to see it through.

It's almost like he's done pretty much all the hard work here it'd be a shame to walk away now.

Would seem a shame if Gavin Ward didn’t win Champagne Moment. After everything, you’d love to be a fly on the wall at the PGMOL when that award turned up in the post.

I thought Adriano Basso was going to be useless on early showings.

Surprised Robbored hasn’t posted yet too, he’d surely win this category - biggest football thing he got wrong was his own name when Gary Johnson pulled him into his office.