Three Lions

19 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

He's literally just explained that he wasn't mocking the flag for Scooter.

That literally was not a flag for Scooter he helped raise the money for it with the old SC twenty odd years ago!!! 

5 hours ago, SecretSam said:

Interesting analysis

https://youtu.be/mXR7cqXENq8?si=_VdgnBq3Iy2-RlO7

He doesnt know why England fans carry St Georges and thinks its recent!!! 

Just now, richwwtk said:

It was @Cowshed and his 'defacing flags is illegal' that was being laughed at, not the flag

Read it again and that St George flag and St Georges are part of our footballing culture and traditions something you our culture warrior mate to laugh at and look down but important to many.

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Cheaper travel costs was it? (I know inflation etc also). Ticket prices wwre clearly cheaper then, an argument that certain fans and sectors have been priced our somewhat these days 

 

massively cheaper on the train with british rail and no having to pay in advance couple of quid return to london. Saw City at Southend 3000 maybe there on on a friday stayed over (Cooper sacked) train to London with 20+ City fans to see Arsenal Forest pay on the gate league cup semi on  saturday for £1 on the North Bank and 50000 + crowd. Barely afford a drink now. 

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

If you were around then (& I was), not really.

This was the year of Heysel, the Millwall riot at Luton on TV. Pretty sure our one at Reading was the year before.

Football was seen as violent, an almost exclusively male pursuit in crumbling, dangerous stadia. Definitely not cool.

A lot of the 80s was like this.

Whatever any of us think about the Premiership, Sky’s influence & the rest, the rose tinted nostalgia for that time is to a great extent, misplaced.

 

It was also a brilliant time if you had a job. away game beer to london less than a tenner and freedom that doesnt exist now. 

On 23/03/2024 at 10:43, MarcusX said:

 

Even @Cowshedwading in talking about defacing flags, then shared a defaced flag celebrating it 

 

That is a St George bought by fans of BCFC including Scooter RIP who did a great deal of the fundraising. Not something to laugh at.

Keir Starmer has it right. Change it back. Be proud of our Country and our flag. 

9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

There was one moment in the first half late on I think where it went straight out of play!

Definitely distribution isn't his strong point but he is okay in general IMO.

and there were other moments where O'learys under nada pressure Pring splits o'leary dinks a ball over the top short it bounces neck height Pring struggles to get it under control the ball has to go back to O'leary and tis time under pressure he shanks it up in the air resulting in more pressure. and we can do more moments like getting simple passes safe side of players or not passing to the strong foot. not ok for a keeper at championship level in 2024 and. Ipswich have two keepers better than that. 

distribution rank again. 

14 hours ago, Harry said:

For the last few years, Bristol City FC has been attempting to create its own ‘model’. Their idea of the optimum way to run a football club to provide it with the best chance of success. 
 

The ‘Model’ is supposed to be one where everything at the club is ‘aligned’.
It says that all of our teams from the under 8’s through to the first team will play the same way. 
I’m not sure that’s quite such a good idea but hey ho. 
But the most crucial element for me is that the model says that the first team will play a certain way and that we have a ‘Technical Director’ to oversee this and ensure it’s on track and everything is aligned. 
 

Personally, at this level of football, I don’t think that works. 
The scene is such that, any manager coming into the club should be of a certain ‘type’ and conform to a certain set of principles. 
The club have created a philosophy (call it an identity if you like) as to how they want to play football and any manager should align (there’s that word again) with that. 
 

The Technical Director runs the recruitment side of the business. 
He determines what players we sign and what manager and coaches we sign. He will try to conform to the club principles and appoint managers and coaches who will ‘fit’ and sign players who will ‘fit’. 
 

We see this sort of model at the top end of the game. Many of the biggest clubs run on a Director of Football type of model, where the manager has only limited say in the player recruitment and is basically just tasked with getting on with it, with the rather expensive tools he is provided. 
 

This doesn’t work at our level. We see this in all it’s gory (yes, not glory) with the Tinnion/Manning appointment. 
 

We have a club philosophy that desires to play in a certain way and players have been signed to attempt to slot into that style. 
We now have a manager who has been appointed who clearly likes to adopt a very different philosophy. 
I don’t blame Manning for this. We approached him. He didn’t apply for this job. He had a clear and evident CV, a body of work behind him, that was obvious to anyone who bothered to look that was at odds with our own club model. 
 

Furthermore, this new manager, whilst not having players who can play his way, doesn’t have very much say in how to fix this. 
His first transfer window and we make 4 permanent signings - 3 of which we wanted before the new manager got here. So the new manager arrives, doesn’t have players he wants and then the ‘club model’ signs 3 players that ‘the club model’ wanted. 
 

This is a huge issue for me. We are attempting to recreate models that have had success at places like Brighton, Brentford and even bloody Luton. But whilst those clubs had certain recruitment models, they didn’t dictate a ‘playing philosophy’ throughout the club. They just had very thorough and clever scouting and recruitment modelling. It didn’t dictate the playing style. Whenever there was a manager change the new boss still has his own free reign in terms of how he played and the recruitment model would then have to ‘align’ with the managers philosophy - not the other way round. 
 

When Dean Smith took over from Mark Warburton, he did things differently and they recruited accordingly. Likewise when Frank then took over from Smith, he had different philosophies on pressing, defensive positioning, midfield solidity etc. and the club then recruited accordingly. 
Luton played a certain way under Jones, but when Edwards arrived he harnessed what was already good but brought his own style to it and the club then recruited accordingly. 
 

What we have at Bristol City is a dictatorial model, whereby the Technical Director and Recruitment Team have defined a model and anyone that arrives at the club must buy-in to that model. There is no wavering. Yes, a new manager might have a bit of a say in some signings but generally they are targeted based on our defined modelling. 

Surely it’s obvious to anyone that this just doesn’t work. The talk of ‘everything at this club is aligned, from the under 8’s to the first team’ is just a false platitude. It’s a strapline that they think is clever “hey look at us, we’ve got an identify and model, we’re unique”.

That might work well at Barcelona or Man City but it’s pointless in the championship. It’s not what will actually bring success on the pitch. 
 

To achieve success on the pitch at this level you need a manager who is allowed to run the first team in his own way. Who won’t be dictated to by inferiors who spout about an identity and an alignment throughout the club. 

It’s time for Manning to depart, in my opinion, but it’s also time for the club to drop the nonsense and stop acting like a billy big bollox. The club think that they have a clever way of doing things and that it’s the only way of separating themselves from the challenging division we are in. 
It’s not clever. It’s nonsense. Drop the bullcrap. 
 

The way to achieve success was evident to us a few years ago when a man called Steve Cotterill was appointed. I wasn’t his biggest fan when he got here, and I also think the time was right for him to go, but the period he was here, there is no denying that he’s been the only manager in recent years that’s done things his own way and said “balls” to the ownership and ‘model’. 
Cotterill worked with an experienced Chief Scout and identified the best available players and signed them to fit a way of playing that HE wanted. 
None of this “we’re all aligned from the u8’s to the tea lady”. 
Just an experienced manager with an experienced chief scout, putting together a squad that would play to the managers identity, not the clubs identity. 
 

It’s time to ditch the bullshit. 
Get out there and employ a manager with cahuna’s, one with a CV that demands respect from his players, let him bring in the players that HE wants, not players that the ‘club’ have targeted for the last few windows. Let him put his own team together to play the way that HE wants. 
 

The current model stinks. There are people in positions of authority that have real negative impact on this club who are not fit for purpose. 
We need a board of directors who can appoint a respected manager, who in turn will be empowered to bring in his own trusted recruitment team or chief scout, sign his own players and have zero meddling from unqualified  nobodies. 
 

Our model is shit. And we will get nowhere with it. 

Do you think Mannings being told model only? No compromise like heres an airfix kit make a model spitfire, theres the instructions and hes opened the box and, Manning finds parts missing. Theres no wings Brian can we make some first and then make the spitfire? No spitfire now this is what we are doing  their good enough to fly to the top six get us a spitfire!!. 

18 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Max’s data compared to all Championship keepers:

All of you typical technical goalkeeping stuff he’s pretty much better than average.

Passing lets him down.

passing lets him down. This is a passing team???

12 hours ago, pride of the west said:

Any ideas of the origins of this for us? I started attending late 80s as a wee nipper when it seemed to start but I was too young to know when and how it came about

Started in 85 and its from a group from BS4 and the now knocked down Bloomfield and built over pub who used to infamously tour together the Briz CSF.   

2 hours ago, CodeRed said:

Sin Bin is a ridiculous idea in football,  as soon as a team loses a man to the bin they will time waste for the 10 minute duration, players will go down 'injured' at the slightest contact and the physio will come on for as long as they can possibly stretch it out, GK will take an age with every kick, throw in's the same. The game will have zero entertainment for those 10 minutes. 

Stop messing about with the rules and just enforce the existing ones.

I have a habit of calling them rules but their laws and these are existing laws so if a player goes in the sin bin its not changing the laws of the game its helping to uphold them. All the rest hand it over to the fourth official to time keep. 

Sendings off never add to the excitement of the game and neither would sin binning?? 

On 09/02/2024 at 11:33, Robbored said:

I haven’t scrolled through this thread so this may have already been mentioned - surely a yellow card could  warrant 10mins in the sin bin? No need to unnecessarily complicate a system that already works pretty well.

All these different coloured card is a ridiculous suggestion.

I reckon it’s as a consequence of the Turkish referee being punched by a club owner and everything kicking off - a complete knee jerk reaction imo.

You can stick a player in a sin bin and give him a yellow card at this point if the level your doing has sin bins you can also put players several times in the sin bin without yellows., 

On 09/02/2024 at 10:14, westonred said:

Yes i realise that but if your 4 nil down wouldnt it be beneficial for the players to all kick off to try and get Sin Binned to get the match abandoned

if  a team gets to that point its rare very  but the team causing the abandonment loses the game they could suddenly get injuries mind!!!

On 06/02/2024 at 15:18, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Why not the premier League as well ?

because the epls crap infests the game from the top down but you dont want to experiment on tyhe part of the game the top bods think is most important!!

50 minutes ago, westonred said:

Say 4 or 5 players have surrounded the ref giving him verbals which happens often in the Prem do all 5 players get Sin Binned ?. The games not broken why and fix try it and bring stupid rules in. If a player is aggresive to the ref send him off end of problem players will soon learn

5 no thats game abandoned laws of the game dont allow a team to play with seven.

9 hours ago, One Team said:

I wish they would stop messing with what was once the beautifully simple game. VAR was bad enough, this is just unnecessary as well. 

I don’t think anything is off the table with football these days though. Would never surprise me if they introduced quarters not halves, two balls in play not one, half time bands or shows during the FA Cup final, 5 points for a win, 3 for a score draw, etc etc etc. 

assaults and abuse of refs is at record highs but its back to front. the stars everybody mimic should have already have had sins bins instead of starting with the kids leagues. 

10 hours ago, 2015 said:

Too many rules being introduced that is ruining Football as a spectacle for the fans.

I do worry Football is on the start of a decline in interest and daft decisions like these wont help it.

its not all about being a spectacles for fans. huge numbers play and watch away from the epl. this will help cut out what is ruining football for many abuse assaults cheating what should be them high priorities,.

On 05/02/2024 at 20:47, Puckle_red said:

I'm not a fan of the Euro Ultra stuff either, but different ideas and groups are nothing new, as per my previous post.

As one of the 247(ish?) season ticket holders when the EE re-opened, I didnt know anyone other than the 2 mates I went with.

Respectfully, I think people are just trying to enjoy themselves. I'd prefer a more traditional support but there is room for both.

 

Many of that came from three areas of the ground and many knew each other was in a big group who moved together as it was a lads thing and not all about atmosphere either a traditional end with pay on the day. It wasnt new it was old traditions even being able to have a fag stood up was part of it as ashton gate was virtually all non smoking apart from one block in the williams.  

The singing section is the singing section a different thing with this ultra vibe. 

16 hours ago, richwwtk said:

Tom Thumb didn't have words, you probably remember it as the dooby dooby doo song with the extended woooooaaaaaaaaahhhhh intro.

My favourite football song ever, though completely nonsensical.

Was it unique to us or a more general thing around the grounds?

if you went to Bournemouth in 85 you will remember it as the seat smashing song, it was the CSF who started it. 

On 03/02/2024 at 17:18, Puckle_red said:

And some were responding by singing an even worse song about Ross McCrorie...classic Bristol City all of this.

Within a small section of 1100 people, there are multiple distinctive groups all with different ideas. 

Just like it was 10+ years ago, with netters, older lot, middle group. Then later the drummer lads.

Not at all different times. Most of us came from the same parts of the ground. Knew each other and things were very much about traditions and chucking a few flags in. Now? All this euro ultra stuff. Cringey as to some a turn off..  

12 hours ago, IAmNick said:

I don't think possession football is the problem, I think it's possession football with this group of players.

We saw the natural issue of Manning-ball with a Pearson squad, against a team who are extremely effective at denying time and space to their opponent. Our players wanted an extra second on the ball tonight they didn't have - and it's because they aren't players who have the qualities needed to play possession football. It's not their fault, that's not why they were brought here.

12 hours ago, Cowshed said:

A point I have made at GK  CB  and CM the team needs players with key qualities on the ball.  The quality is they cant be be average on the ball, they have to be good enough to link up play, play simple quick early reset and switch and at times take possession in tight spaces and keep it. The team needs these leaders and cultural architects to meet the expectations and intent of the model CIty are playing to.

And these players are? 

 

Going to be a bumpy road when we have players a long way off it. Put them under pressure and the cracks showed and there wasn't players there good enough to keep showing for it (the ball) to take responsibility and leadership top take the pressure off players struggling. We want some captains of possession to lead the way and dont have them!!

2 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Why is the old Eastend called the South Stand, surely that's the north of the ground? And why was it called the Eastend!

Faces south east slightly. There was a terraced corner that followed eastwards round to the stand that was there before the Dolman the no 2/Cowshed and fans named the east end after the south east part.

Reffing this week. I wouldn't give a card there. I dont see a foul its a good tackle. Nothing malicious. Nothing reckless. No excess force. Zero intent except to win the ball clean. The lad lifts his leg over the ball to hook it back with nil force and momentum. First red card of the lads career for that is disgrace and an embarrassment to refereeing. There was no clear and obvious error for VAR to get all over it instead of using VAR like a kill joy school teacher looking all over anything for a % of % infraction of rule a.1 like Mr Bronson off grange hill. 

40 minutes ago, Scrumpys Dietary Advisor.. said:

 I didn't say we are doing the same things, I said we are TRYING to copy the style.

Your not making sense. You wouldn't try to copy the style of Sex Pistols by playing like a school choir. City must be having a pop at some of the same things if their trying to copy Man City which they aint!! 

9 hours ago, Wanderingred said:

1994/95 we lost 5-1 at home to Wolves under Russell Osman.

Tough the walk out game at Fratton Park under Osman maybe beats it morale amongst fans had collapsed less than 500 travelled for a saturday and several hundred walked out at 0-0 well before half time.

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

They do recycle the ball but it's with a clear purpose. 

They don't pass it back to their cbs for their cbs to just pass it between themselves. 

They might go back to their cb to draw the other team out a bit, or to shift the ball to the other side for example. 

Their recycling of the ball will be more like going back to the cb for the cb to pass it to a midfielder. 

We don't do that. 

I know fella but theres point to their passing and that tap in Man City goal Sterling used seemingly every week to do was no accident.

24 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

There it is do a bit get the opposition lopsided get it over the other side Sterling taps it in but theres some bloke on here saying Bristol City are doing the same things well his dietary advisor should tell him to keep off the apples!! 

20 minutes ago, Scrumpys Dietary Advisor.. said:

I watched them do it first hand for 90+ mins against us and, that is EXACTLY what they did...

if their endlessly recycling the ball how do they score more goals than everybody else???