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When you are delighted with a point at Wigan it shows how low our expectations are now.

That's the Wigan that last season were in League one.

If and it's an if at the moment surely if we do lose this one as well questions have to be asked as to whether NP really is the right man to lead this team. I have to say personally I'm not convinced he is.

Some changes 8 but some of their new signings as well.

Well done steak!! :laugh:.

Not funny.

Come on with good reason, and until we go on a run of games that we see out comfortably you can't blame us for biting our nails.

Who thinks it will now go to penalties?

And not at all deserved?

Would take Vyner off already.

Was a bit of a championship club graveyard, hardly a single one got through.

Not sure I could have said it better myself, thankyou for saying what a lot of people think but don't want to say. I have in the past and it did not go down well with the how shall we put this, the more optimistic (can't hear a word against the manager) posters.

Would it make much difference surely the new owners would be under the same constraints of FFP and would not be able to just throw money at the problem.

Somebody on another thread did say the actual seats in the ground were more like 26,568 it's just rounded up to 27,000 for convenience.

Did you write the what have the Romans ever done for us sketch?

Flatters to decieve would be the phrase I would use to describe him.

I agree it's far too early to panic, but the things we were doing last season that cost us games were on display again yesterday I really hope I'm wrong but unless there is a fundamental change in the way we set up for games I think those prophising doom may well actually be right this year. And a lot better than last season? wouldn't be hard would it.

That does come accross as a bit happy clappy, we have been mostly bad the last two seasons and today offered nothing to get exited about, we are quite rightly piss*d off and dissapointed after all the pre season optimism, today we really were crap second half especially and after two years under our present manager even with the budget restraints I think most of us well certainly me expected a little more improvement.

We got exactly what we deserved from that game overall and that was nothing, that's my honest brutal assesment, first half fifty fifty second half well where do I start, too slow, too negative, took 10 passes to advance 10 yards, knocked off the ball too easily and when players did try to move forward they had no attacking options, look I could go on but I think you get my point, and yes if you think we deserved anything from that game then yes 10 pints is probably the reason, sorry to be so harsh but at my age I have to say it as I see it and today especially the second half we just werent very good.

Wasn't good though was it and have you seen any improvement in the 2 years Nigel Pearson has been in charge?

And why is that?

I see one of them is still banging on about our game against Coventry 45 years ago.

It says in the programme he died aged 71 after a short illness. I'm a little confused is it the same Martin?

Gibbo 7 the answer you get if you look up eternal optimist in the dictionary :laugh:.

I think it is behind what used to be the ten pin bowling alley.