The turtle

Exactly, exactly, exactly! But it even started v west ham. Half the world now thinks we are a battle hardened dirty team, beating up a southern softie - so much so we moved north geographically. Was that the plan? V Watford , to watch most of our danger coming from set pieces and crosses. My first feeling was ok so manning is adding another method in how we attack teams. Good. But then it's like wait, player pathway? All teams playing a certain way? All future coaches at all levels will be hired playing a certain way? Without being in the room during certain conversations! I'm pretty sure it didn't go..... Right guys, so we're all happy with looking most dangerous from set pieces and crosses each game? Excellent. Could it be they think they've hired an ideology, presented an ideology and tried to convince us they are getting an ideology, based on who he was. Whereas actually, they've got someone still learning, who wants his teams to play a certain way but will mix it up if needed (lessons learnt from previous clubs)??? All of a sudden, i can see a world where control is no longer a buzz word for a positive after a lost game.

Because they have potential to be so much more. By wasted potential, they mean they've stopped. Blinded by money of survival. They've settled. This is their peak, the end of the story One day, city will get there. Year 1, survival, year 2 survival. But at some point fans ask, and now? What now? Palace are meh! Don't entertain, don't threaten europe. exist to survive. I mean even Bournemouth want more.

Which is exactly what everyone and anyone could have said, well everyone bar those who made the decision it's normal for most Managers. Yesterday at HT, I felt responded well to going behind. But at half time. If a tad lucky to be level thanks to max in the 2nd half, our best stuff came from corners, set pieces, deliveries into the box. Asking questions of their defence. (What i want to see) But i also don't remember any clear cut chances created from build up football. I didn't feel is was a particularly great game with attacking incisive football, but at the same time it was well above poor. And importantly city were trying to win, as were Watford at the end.

Football is about dreaming. Palace have stopped doing so, operation survival mode. It also doesn't help their main rivals lead around 1000000 categories in how to run a football club. They are who everyone wants to be Brighton fans go to a game knowing; we probably aren't going to keep a clean sheet today, but our team will go for it. They are in the euro hunt. Palace fans are being clear! Simply survival, it's not enough, this is not the dream. Could it bite them? Absolutely! But that's the deal with dreams. But is it really asking so much to go to. Stadium and enjoy the football your team wants to play. I mean fans aren't stupid. They know backs to the will be needed in a season. They know teams have off days! And in terms of palace fans they've done their bit making an atmosphere. How their fans feel, to me it's on the board.

I don't think anything counts on robins TV. What's he going to say? Bif of a damp squid to be honest, expected better, bang average?? You don't realize how much neutral commentators or JP matter until your subjected to robins TV week in week out, and how amazing everything is all day everyday under every manager for 4 years

That's my territory

In podcast terms, that was pretty shocking. Just no reason for it either.

The ball influences because he catches the top of the ball. It's a very very poor challenge in the modern game. It should have been a red in game. We are fortunate the ref missed it

A yellow? He's lucky it wasn't a red (it reminded me of wolves 2017 red card) You just can't follow through studs up like that any more. He may take the ball first but it was so reckless. He's lucky the referee appears to have missed it, and there was no VAR. In a VAR world that's a red 9.5/10.

One of my favourite commentaries ever tbh. It's epic. As someone said on match day thread. It's an epic version of robins tv (because when city are bad/or west ham good he says so- like the red- and Williams part in it even if was a red)

Absolutely for both parts

Exactly exactly exactly exactly this My god this

Exactly exactly exactly exactly this My god this

Fair point. But at least most of that was about the actual player. This thread is a whole different thing. But hey, maybe i should stop reading, not comment, and leave everyone else to it. So yeah fair point.

48 pages and counting on a loan signing. Ok then.

I once read - many moons ago. When wenger was at arsenal, he mainly focused on defensive set-up, and the transition phases. But when on the ball he had very little input as to what players should do, simply that players should both enjoy and express themselves. His arsenal sides often bad faults, but on the ball they were always so expressive as a result. ....... His teaching of henry for example on making different runs depending on who had the ball was so simple yet fantastic, because henry always made the some runs regardless who was in possession then get annoyed they couldn't play that pass. That one piece of advice changed his career

Henry explains it very well. He wasn't in the game, following management tactics, but he was out of the game He went being proactive, even scored ..... Result= he was subbed .... I think it happens in so many games in all football teams. We get frustrated at players for not doing certain things, but if they did; even if they worked in that moment, they would find themselves out of the side.

You can only show freedom if you are given it. Often, when a lot of coaching is involved, it's about waiting for someone else's trigger movement

At Half time, i felt we were almost playing well. Half time they made changes; and they were a totally different side. We failed to adjust. Top job to their management for identifying our weakness. We had no answer. The adjustments we seemed to make, made us worse. After 3 in a row, there were a number of posts on how effective the new management has been. How everything is so much better now etc etc. almost i told you so's Well as always, sport is humbling. 3 league games later- 0 goals in the process. With a strong argument during the game, their management out-thought ours. What now? We are back to square 1 = 4 points off the playoffs Ah the joys of supporting city. 3 wins in a row, followed by 0 goals in 3 league games

Sprinklings of almost playing well, like it's a couple of not quite decisions on the ball. 3 points there for the taking, they are just about better than Birmingham. - I'm having to do my taxes at the same time today, only a few times has the games seriously demanded my attention. It's not a great game. But you can see we are looking to create.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C12tra2LqqC/?igsh=azVlbWh1MnB4a2U= And the name spreads just a little more

Cicar; when i booked all insurance is included in the price- no hidden prices) I used them in the Canary Islands, had an accident; no questions, no issues They are in canaries, and balearics ........ Best search engine; carjet (be sure to read all TCs. Be clear what you paid for, ignore car agent when arrive; most are good as gold, too many will try and upsell something you don't need)

All about standards... 0 championships is much worse.

It's all about expectations. Jets have always been bad, just which version of bad. As for the yankees, truly a barren spell. Worse than the 80s=