Atticus

2 hours ago, Ian M said:

Moving forward it seems Tinnion will assume responsibility for our style of play, recruitment/retention, culture of the club and our new HC will be responsible for preparing the players for matches and the technical area on matchdays. It seems that Tinnion will be assuming much of what Nigel did and is our defacto new manager.

This is completely unacceptable for me. 

Good luck to you that think otherwise.

Been there and done that with a . 

I'm not supporting the second version. 

I'm seeing people getting excited by this. This worries me. 

What does this new coach bring that Pearson doesn't? Not much I'm guessing. 

What needs to happen is this. Judge this new coach on Lansdown and Tinnion. 

We sacked our manager because he wasn't good enough supposedly. We sacked him for out chance at top six according to Jon. So the remit is top 6. Judge him on that. 

Tinnion has told us how our new coach will play our team. Attacking and pressing. So Judge this on tinnion. 

Seriously. Anything going forward till the end of the season should absolutely 100% be judged on these two morons. That have decided how we should play and what is good enough above any coach that comes in. 

Please don't forget this in your excitement. 

You have two snakes leading the line deciding on first team policy. 

1 minute ago, Dynamite Red said:

This all absolutely stinks.

The Lansdown family can do one, that is a given.

What I can't stick is a former club legend who is also kneck deep in this shit. I've shared a few conversations with Tinman over the years, idolised you as a player, now I just think your as bad as the rest of these clowns. The bloke has lost all respect for me and also needs to **** off.

Sad times.

It's a disgrace. 

Bringing Tinnion in from the back door. 

What respectable coach would work under these restrictive ludicrous conditions?

A pure embarrassment. They are treating the club and its fans with utter contempt. 

I cant support this. 

Our owners really are ******* idiots ain't they?

They have destroyed the best chance at progression we had. 

Fuming. 

4 minutes ago, downendcity said:

What I find most frustrating about this whole situation is that BT has overseen the development of probably the best group of academy graduates for many years, if not ever.

Under NP's management, Tins' work with the academy has been made doubly effective by having a manager willing to blood young players and to trust them to become integral parts of the first team, albeit some of that might have out of necessity.

There is little doubt that our academy is probably our most important assert going forward. Will the next manager be equally prepared to continue the academy pathway to the first team, as did NP?

 

It just makes the whole thing more sad. 

We had a manager that was happy to deal with the financial constraints, and actively bringing young players through from the academy, with some great recent success. This should be music to most owners ears surely. 

This has to be a power play by Tinnion, and a grab for more first team control by the Lansdowns. I can't fathom any other reason for it. 

11 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

100%.

The only reason Pearson ever got the job was because of the unholy mess the owner had allowed us to drift into. It needed someone of Pearson's calibre to stop us getting relegated.

His appointment was one of expediency, nothing more.

Without the mess of the owner's own making, another Yes man patsy would be in the job. 

Until it leads us into another mess all of Lansdowns making, and the cycle continues.

7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

What Lansdown or anyone else said shouldn’t make any difference to your answer. That question is about your own perception of what the squad is capable of this season, to see if our expectations as supporters align with the board’s.

Then minus 1 from promotion of that last answer

For the last question. 

I actually answered promotion as that's clearly the remit set by Lansdown. 

Weren't sure if you meant what did I think before he said this or after. 

25 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Any prospective new coach with his own ideas about footballing philosophy needs to leave them parked at the door and dance to the Lansdowns' tune, because if anyone knows how to get to the PL it's them right?

Also, prior to announcing your team to the players, please submit it to Brian for approval.

On recruitment, when we sell your star player, you need not worry about signing a replacement, we'll have one ready for you from the Academy cos they'll have been "playing this way for 3 years".

I feel excited, PL here we come!

Yep. Remarkable isn't it. 

Gotta say I'm almost impressed with the sheer audacity of it all.

I'm not sure if they are that unbelievably stupid, or thay unbelievably arrogant. 

I'm actually gobsmacked. That we are back at the beginning. Again. 

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Nope.

Voted sell up.

Hope any new owners would move Tinnion on too.

Or appoint him as ambassador to the club and keep him there. 

3 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

I think @Davefevs has absolutely nailed it. Going forward this is all on Tins.

Tinnion was employed initially as loans manager and later as academy manager with the specific brief of preparing the youth to play in the first team. That meant ensuring he worked closely with the manager to understand what the first team write doing. 

Now, on his latest promotion he has become defacto first team director of football and has dictated the style of play from top to bottom. Both Tinnion and Junior have spoken about a single style of play throughout the club. It's clear to me that is "their" style and not the first team managers choice. 

I fully agree with the comments regarding the next appointment. It will be a young coach who will do as they're told and stick purely to coaching matters. He'll get what he's given in the transfer market and have to work with that. 

We are set for LJ mark 2. 

No doubt the board have looked across to Suffolk and seen Ashton do exactly what he did at City and bring in a coach with no managerial experience, flood the team with Ashton signings and see the team win promotion and go on to sit in second place. 

Who wants to bet that defeat at home to Ipswich was the final straw. 

If this plan fails which I'm terrified it will, we are truly ******. 

Spot on. 

And it will fail. It has failed every single time they've tried it. Because the ones dictating what we want to the head coach are completely incompetent. 

This has convinced me Tinnion is part of the problem. 

I want them all out. This club needs a desperate clear out from those in any type of control. That's where it is rotten. 

1 minute ago, Three Lions said:

Wasnt LJ supposed to have been doing this??? The identity? The project? The dna? the umm clubs in the bag? It really looks like they make it all up as they go along.

The 5 pillars?

They are desperate for a head coach to retain control of the playing side. 

They now think they've cracked it with Tinnion. Tinnion being de facto manager and one they can influence. 

4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

My take away is the sacked Pearson because they believe we have a team that should be competing at the top end of the league.

What ******* planet are they living on? 

That's just an excuse. One they've been waiting to implement for a while no doubt. 

It's becoming clear they want to revert to a head coach, and one that answers to Brian Tinnion ffs. You couldn't make this up. 

I cannot believe how utterly clueless the Lansdowns are. Its staggering how they don't learn. 

9 minutes ago, Riaz said:

I do now!

I do think Tins probably thinks he's doing the right thing. I dont doubt he has the interests of the club at heart.

But as i said before - i trust Nigel Pearson far more, when it comes to judging a team and managing them!

This sounds harsh but does he?

I don't know the guy, but think back at the way he initially got the managers job. 

This whole situation has me feeling more and more uncomfortable the more I hear about it. 

2 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

In regards to the signings I think they’ve proven to be good ones. Dickie and Knight have been impressive, TGH we’re starting to see the best out of, Roberts we’ve not seen the best of but only young and it’s a free transfer anyway and McCrorie we can’t judge yet as what’s happened with him is such a rare thing

That's fine but they weren't really improving our squad, just replacing players that left. 

We needed that and to enhance our squad. 

5 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I think from those 2 videos we can rule out Gary Rowett 

This is sounding more and more like it will be Curtis Fleming, or some unknown coach, that will come in as head coach, to be told what to do by Tinnion. 

12 minutes ago, headhunter said:

As will anyone we appoint be - somewhere!

Check out 2004/05, Tinnion's sole full season in charge - missed the playoffs by a point, might have made it had he not acquiesced to SL's instruction to have Keith Millen as his No.2. Win rate 39%.

OK, 05/06 started badly and ended after 8 [1-3-4] games with that 7-1 thrashing at Swansea. That takes his win % down to 36.1% which places him in the middle of the all time managerial record.

Yeah but this was after the season we got to the playoff final. 

And didn't he spend a good chunk of money? We brought in Michael Bridges and Marcus Stewart, they wouldn't of been on a small wage. 

4 minutes ago, RedEyez said:

I was just about ready to knock it all on the head after the news broke about Nige.

These two interviews have just clarified things for me. Never been so disenchanted with this football club.

Utterly despicable.

Same. Because we've been here before. 

It's a cycle. And when the next "head coach" fails, because he will. We will go back to a more experienced manager to sort the mess out, and sack him at the first opportunity to go back to this yes man head coach nonsense so son and daddy can have control.

It's nonsense and will never work. We are going nowhere until they sell up. 

Shocked at the way he defended our recruitment and how our squad is good enough. It's such blatent horseshit and to think we'd feed into it is astonishing. 

And the use of the word head coach. Ugh this is just a ******* vicious cycle were going through isn't it. 

Just now, The chief said:

Sums it up perfectly. 
 

For balance, he was on a hiding to nothing. We’re angry and p’d off so it would have needed to be some statement to provide any positives. 

However, JL is patently not capable and does not have the leadership, communication, experience or any of the skills required to be in an executive position. His old man would never have put him in charge of his main stockbroker business. 
a statement like that is as much as he is capable of. 

Ultimately its Steve making all the decisions also. 

It's Steve that should be doing this, and explaining HIS decision. He should also be going on the local radio too. 

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

I’m glad we are looking for a progressive, front foot, pressing coach. 
Most other clubs are looking for regressive, back foot, non-pressing coaches. 
So firstly, those words are just nonsense. 
 

Regards the playing style. Jon refers to us now having an identity that the new manager will be recruited into. 
And specifically that this is the first time they’ve had that clear vision. 
One thing - who has been responsible for implementing that vision throughout the club? 
Well, I’ve seen a very stylish document that explains the philosophy. It was put together when Gould was here and he told me that it was driven by Nigel. 
 

So, I guess it would have been nice for Nigel’s work on implementing the club philosophy to have been acknowledged.

Regards our ambition. I don’t know a single fan who had any expectations of promotion this season, so their ambition is very different to 99% if the fanbase.

But given this is their ambition and there is still 2/3rds of the season left, I am now fully expecting promotion and the new manager and the board will now be judged by me on this clear goal. 
 

If we don’t get promoted this season then I will now see it as a massive failure - and I will be blaming Jon. 

100% this. 

The Lansdowns have set the bar now. 

Top 6 minimum this season. That's the expectation we should all have. 

I've got a very unnerving feeling they've sacked him now to give CF the two easiest games possible in the hope he wins them and they can appoint from within again. 

46 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

And also, if he thinks the squad is good enough assumedly the puppet that comes in won’t be given any of the “nest egg”.

Of course he will. Total bull and just because they didn’t like Nige standing up to them. 
 

A two minute “interview” on club TV. Spineless. Gutless.

I understand now why Jon feels at home with the jellyfish in Bermuda.

Yep, and surely if he doesn't have us shooting up the table, come the end of the season surely his job should be under threat to no? After all, Jon said our squad is good enough. He sacked our last one despite the joke injury situation. 

51 minutes ago, Elmore James said:

Watching that was a bit of a shocker, I almost felt sorry for the bloke.  There is no way Jon should be fronting-up a football club, he doesn't have the inner strength for the job, you can hear it in his voice.  I blame his old man for putting him in this situation.

It absolutely should be Steve fronting up the coward. He's the one making the decisions ultimately. He's the one that cant handle a manager with his own opinion.