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3 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Fined ? Laughable.

I think the loophole the Government have left open in terms of travelling to work is geared towards the self employed more than any other sector.

In other words - get on with your business whilst adhering to safety guidelines until we sort out the payments. Once that has been sorted out you will be house bound unless deemed an essential service.

Thats exactly how I would interpret it in your shoes and I would do exactly the same as are several people I know.

 

 

Completely agree, will say saw plenty of trades out today. 

All saying the same thing. 

They will sort it, but untill they do it's business as normal. 

8 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

IF you are self employed, you don’t work, you don’t eat. My wife and I have spent the last five years trying to build two businesses. No weekends off, no Bank holidays except Christmas Day. That has all gone now. Government has closed our businesses (correct decision, I’m not arguing it). As things stand, we will get £93/week (in 5 weeks time) whilst my neighbour who has a lovely Range Rover and gets his salary and paid holidays every month, gets 80% of his salary. 

Of course we realise we need to stay in, but how are we supposed to live?  With mortgage, bills and Council Tax we cannot exist on 2 x £93. What are we to do?

It's becoming a massive social devide. Don't expect the masses to care about us, the majority of people on this forum have been instantly abusive to any thought of equality in this matter. It's a case of 'im alright jack' 

If you turned the tables can you imagine the up roar. Yet we was contrabuting members of society are left to rot and told to put up and shut up. 

Any respect I once had for humanity is rapidly fading. I hope you and your partner get through this. 

Stay safe. 

6 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

I work in a front line service. 

You are not being supportive.

Scotland is considering fines for those not following guidelines.

I was not joking about the fines .. 

 

What am I going to get fined for?

I'm allowed to travel to work that I cannot do from home. We very much respect the social distance approach. 

If you don't agree with that your issue is with the government, not me. I don't make the rules. And I would prefer to be at home. 

I appreciate this comes form a good place. But I just hope you can see my point. 

Give us the fair opportunity to do as the employed are. 

Thank you for your efforts on the front line. Stay safe.

6 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

 

Yes you are.

We need you to stay at home.

You will be supported to stay at home. 

And you could be better supported than those who work in front line services. Auxiliary nurses, care assistants rarely earn more than £16000 a year. Frequently far less.

Read the above again. You want more.

Personally I would like to see a series of fines for the selfish and stupid bell ends in society who will put the staff of the NHS at risk. These bell end fines can then be used to pay the NHS staff bonuses once this is over as a small means of saying thank you for what is being done on behalf of society. 

Jeez Fella.

I am not taking anything away from the front line. I fully support them. Obviously?!

I am not being supported. Whatsoever. At all. Nothing. Nor is there any plan in place to do so. NOTHING.

Nurses should be paid more, agreed. 

If you need us to stay at home, spread the message that the SE need to be supported to do so. Don't give us a shit choice the moan when we make it. 

I categorically do not want more. Just the same as the employed. 

I personally would like to give you a bell end fine. 

2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Surely they know the tax returns for the self employed, just as the have the PAYE details for those on that.  I appreciate it isn't going to be a two minute job to collate all of that info and ensure the right people get it, but they have the info.  I assume if you don't PAYE or submit a tax return you are a pensioner or on benefit, so will get paid, if no records you would be part of the black economy, so won't get a bean

I believe there having difficulty as some small business are going to benefit from this. So they don't want to send money to people that don't need it (a wild guess at 5% of businesses). Quite right. But there has to be something for the 95% in the meantime. And if someone has dodged tax they can jog on anyway. Got to remember at this point in the year tax return information is 18 months old

10 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Government needs to play fair with the self employed as they have done with companies that employ PAYE (we'll see how that turns out..).

You should have no guilt at all and shouldn't need to explain yourself. The problem lies with the government for announcing this lock down before sorting out the self employed. I understand it is more complex than PAYE and they needed to get the lock down in place, but they should have exempted the self employed and issued safety guidelines until the payment mechanisms were in place.

 

 

 

Thanks, nice to not be abused for my options :laugh:

3 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

You are being supported.

How much do you think front line care staff e.g. auxiliary nurses, care assistants, support workers are paid to possibly put their lives at risk.. Try less than you will get as a roofer to stay at home.

 

 

Again, not taking anything away from people on the front line. This was not even mentioned or implied. So why is this reasonable to some how make my point invalid? We should give those guys everything they need and more. 

Just want the same support as the employed. It's simple really. That way we can support our NHS by staying at home. 

We just want the same. Nothing more. 

8 hours ago, reddoc said:

Hey this sounds like a fun game.

You carry on as normal , wandering round infecting people, and then you can pass them over to me to decide which ones live and which ones die.

Maybe at some point I could give you a list, let you chose, fancy that?

I get your sentiment, but I'm not wondering around. I'm at work. The government has allowed us to do this. 

And by not supporting the self employed to the same extent as everyone else, there making us make a very hard choice. 

Your point should be directed at the government. 'support the SE so they stop going out' or something like that. Not, 'pick who lives you monster'. 

We just want a fair crack, nothing more.

If No1 was getting paid to sit at home and they had the choice to work they would be if they had too.  End of.

5 minutes ago, Nibor said:

As long as it doesn't inconvenience you too much eh?

Good night rich boy 

3 minutes ago, Nibor said:

You have no understanding of proportion.  "Can't" to me means that there is no possible way to do something, for you it means being unwilling to eat beans on toast for a few weeks to save a life.

Nobody's suggested the self employed should get shafted, just that selfish people should not put a couple of red letters ahead of actual human lives. 

Looks like after some dinner sneezing. The government didn't fancy the self employed back lash. 

Realised, that they needed to do the right thing. Regardless of there rich friends views (all named Nibor) on letting us miss mortgage payments and eat just beans.

Equality across all sectors and working together is what will beat this thing. 

2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

You don’t hope someone sneezes in my dinner then?!

Haha nah , but I'll suck your toes 

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

And it's Smith. Literally the best 3 words 

Wish we could all be in that position. 

My point is that the government should help us to the same extent it has helped the employed to enable us to stay at home. 

I have said already that staying at home and helping beat this thing is what's best. 

What do you not agree with? 

Those that can't stay at home won't, surely you can see the need for equality here. Doesn't that solve the problem?

All I've ask for . You hairy peen

4 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Before you slag people off, you should read the bill that’s been going through today.  See above.

Not slagging anyone off. The guy can clearly see that were struggling and decides to chip in that it's because we're 'selfish' . I mean what's the need in making this our fault. 

But thanks, I hope this comes good. 

2 minutes ago, Nibor said:

You are so one eyed you can't see.  You're equating your inability to cope for a few weeks without cash with people dying and you're idiotic enough to talk about selfishness...  

Don't pay your bills for a couple of months, save some lives.  Nothing will really change for you - suffering my hairy ass.

So your doing this and your ok with it?

9 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

In the parliamentary debate earlier, there was lots of talk about giving the same support to self employed people that we PAYE workers get. Hopefully, this gives you some positive news. An Amendment was tabled to that effect. I got bored when the 2nd reading started but would assume it was passed as all parties agreed this policy was muy importante. 

Thanks ska, really hope this comes through. But pressure needs to be applied to ensure it does

3 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Really?  Who's going to die if you miss a couple of mortgage payments?  You will get over it, those who die won't.  That's unbelievable selfishness.

Stay at home.

Your being unbelievably selfish by siding with the view that is unbelievable hardship to the self employed is ok. Just as long as your alright fella. 

Why should we have to suffer more than any other sector. 

Your an every man for them self guy, with no thaught of others

Hope people sneeze in your dinner.  

6 minutes ago, Nibor said:

I am looking at not paying bills or a mortgage, I booked a payment holiday and took a lump on a credit card to prepare.

What the **** are you on about thinking of others?  Take a look in the mirror pal, you are the people causing this crisis. 

You're choosing to put a bit of inconvenience above other people's safety, unbelievable selfishness.

Hardly just inconvenient you p *** r **I c k

This is life changing for the self employed. Many will not get over this.

Your argument should be directed at the government for not giving us the opportunity to stay at home

Hardly just inconvenient you p *** r **I c k

This is life changing for the self employed. Many will not get over this.

Your argument should be directed at the government for not giving us the opportunity to stay at home. 

3 minutes ago, Nibor said:

I really can't believe some people think going to work for three weeks is more important than not helping to spread a deadly virus to people who might die from it.  If you really can't cope with that what were you planning on doing when the recession kicked in?

I would be more than happy to stay at home. And I encourage any one that can to do so. 

However, if you were looking at not paying bills, mortgage or even having enough money to buy vital supplies im sure you would reluctantly go to work. 

The world is bigger than just you and your presentations. Other people are suffering tonight, perhaps think about others and the position there in ?

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

B&Q, Screwfix et al appear to be staying open, or wanting to at least, something about them having supplies that allow essential work to be carried out.

So hope B&Q and Screwfix can stay open. Will remember this after it's all blown over. 

Thanks Northern Red. Where did you get this from?

1 minute ago, ever-red said:

I'm self employed landscaper same situation as you no savings to fall back on

Let's stick together on this. Anyone know any merchants open on the sly?

2 minutes ago, bris red said:

Yes mate i am with you. Self employed spark and ive just finished loading my van up for the morning.

Every self employed tradesman feel shafted by this government. 

Stand together on this lads. No walk overs here

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Got to be some form of announcement tomorrow....surely.

Just has to be mate

Going to work tomorrow,

Self employed damp proofer 

I believe it is very much 'essential' that I put food on the table for my family. And that I am a 'key worker' in the regards to feeding and housing my family.

It is unbelievable that the self employed have been left behind in all of this. We will have to pay for the 80% wage subsidy for the employed in our next tax returns. Yet we get no help. Creating a massive devide in society. 

I have supported the government vigorously (even on this forum) 

I have not got savings to fall back on. 

The closure of builders merchants WILL leed to looting if this is not resolved very quickly. 

There are many in a far worse position than me. But expect a huge self employed back lash. 

Forget us at your peril ! 

8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

What's your angle...

Clearly humour Mr p. But Macdonald's appears to be ruled out :laugh:

1 hour ago, Odysseus said:

Any American I’ve met in this county begs to differ and are amazed no matter who you are you get live saving treatment for free. I’d rather have that for the many than the inconvenience of having to wait weeks longer for an MRI. The problem with our current health system is due to Tory underfunding and staff shortages. 

Sorry I fell asleep at the end there lefty 

Jog on with the point scoring in a crisis.