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Don't understand taking skyes off, maybe Tanner off and skyes at RB

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4 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've ran out of reactions for today so here's my reaction

Try paying to support the forum you like posting on so much, then you can give as many reactions as you like

1 minute ago, Spike said:

Yes but we pushed high and they had as many men forward as we had back, we pushed all the way up and had James as our cover, he positions well but he's not the man you want covering a counter attack. The second that ball comes out we should have someone with pace looking to give us an extra man back. I mean one bad pass from Tanner (where he could have gone back) and it's a 2 vs 2 with James being the pace player. That's just poor management of the corner and a case of too many players forward.

They had everyone in the box, the guy come out and closed Tanner down

Shame to conceed as we have been generally good, still think we will get back into it, although allows Huddersfield to sit back even more

1 minute ago, Spike said:

and there it is.... playing that high line and getting caught with a bad pass and being countered.

This is why Nige set us up to defend and counter, with this style of football if we can't take chances we'll be hit with the exact type of football we've apparently left behind.

Playing the high line, it was a corner FFS

Tanner still passing backwards even with open space in front of him, now manages to hit a ball straight at a Huddersfield player for the break

3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

We hear this every season and it turns out to be bollocks. Don't get me wrong, if Manning doesn't get us playing better in the next few months, next February/March "could" be interesting and the time when more than history tells us is usual politely advise Steve to stick his club right up his arse, sideways. However, until we get there, we know that the "norm" is all these thousands of fans threatening not to renew either do change their mind and renew, proving it was all a load of hot air rubbish they were spouting, or do give up and mysteriously get replaced very quickly.......I know which one I think it is.

I also completely agree with @Bristol Robthough - if by some absolute fluke the Lansdown's did get us to the Prem Bristol Sport FC would happily charge loyal, longstanding supporters out of a season ticket under the guise of "we've got to be able to compete". Been going 35 years and can't afford a £1500 season ticket? "Well you had better watch us on the tv until we get relegated and Johnny Come Lately, who can afford one, ***** off then". That would be so predictably BCFC and I think a few are in for a shock they weren't expecting if their "dream" does happen.

Think that scenario is even more likely with a change of ownership that some crave

58 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I know this guy has come up before but I find his work very interesting. He did a long post on Duff this morning which it’s hard to disagree with (first post) and that inspired me to look to see if he’d done anything on Manning - which he did, immediately after we appointed (second post).
 

Approximately one month later, it’s absolutely fascinating to read.

 

 

Thought I would paste it in for those without X as interesting article

So what’s all this fuss about Liam Manning? 

How does a manager who initiated MK Dons' surprise relegation into League Two last season now find himself in the dugout of a stable Championship club?

Well, image goes a long way. 

And Manning's image is one of deep knowledge and unmistakable potential.

He's like an AI-generated modern football manager.

He has answers. Good answers.

But most of all, he ticks all the boxes of what the modern fan appreciates and wants to see.

He gets philosophy. He gets tactics. He gets process. He gets xG. He gets all analytics. He gets youth player development. He gets going abroad to learn your craft.

He gets pretty much everything. But he never gets emotional.

And personally, I don’t like that about him.

I prefer the occasional spike from a manager, just to know he’s human so I can get my profiling kicks.

But Manning is immaculate. Too immaculate. Like a comprehensive ChatGPT response.

When he gets a prompt from a local reporter, everything that comes back is polished and professional - in a way that leaves you wondering more about the database that the reply came from, rather than the actual reply itself.

If he sounds like a walking coaching manual, it’s not only because he has evidently swallowed several of them but also because he has already been coaching for 17 years

He might only be 38 but Manning bought himself a 14-year runway to the senior touchline after quickly giving up the ghost of a playing career that was never going to happen.

Jose Mourinho was the main man when he first started putting out balls, bibs and cones.

And believe it or not, Manning shares a lot of personality traits with the Special One - the main difference being masculine and feminine flow states, which from the outside is a world of difference.

When Mourinho was in his pomp, the buzz was logistics and documentation. The Portuguese took match preparation and training ground effectiveness to a whole new level and that's what every aspiring young coach wanted to emulate. So Manning has the bulky dossier and in-depth presentation - "I think it's now the tenth edition" - with several hundred slides that detail his entire football philosophy step by step. Pep Guardiola is the big dog nowadays and Manning already had a few years of grass roots between his studs when Pep Confidential was released and the copycat culture kicked into action. Whatever gaps he had in his knowledge of Pep, you would assume those were coloured in by a stint with City Football Group either side of Covid. The main point beIng, Manning might ache with modernity but his three years in the professional dugout are merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of the foundation he is building on. There's a derogatory line from a George Bernard Shaw play that has echoed in cynical minds for more than a century: "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." But it's an important aspect of the personality code that some people - Lead Blasts - are just born teachers. They can internalise information very quickly, stack knowledge on top of knowledge, and feel duty bound to spread the wealth rather than capitalise by keeping those insights to themselves.

Manning is one of them.

Had he not seen the writing on the wall and thrown in the towel on his playing career at 21, there’s no way he would have reached his current level of managerial competence.

To desrcibe his leadership style in a nutshell: he’s tribe above self, and driven by a feminine desire to improve others. Players don't adapt to him, he adapts to them.

So where's the blind spot? What's the weakness?

Why did it go pear-shaped at Milton Keynes? 

And what cues will alert us to the possibility of history repeating itself?

Well, he's extremely logical. In fact, make that borderline robotic. Hence, the AI analogy.

In post-match interviews, Manning frequently talks about 'emotional intelligence' and 'emotional stability' as he knows he is powerless when feelings take hold of the steering wheel.

Once players allow their emotions to get the better of them, his logic stops landing.

And he isn't good at coping with powerful emotions, let alone harnessing them as a force to deliver big surprises, so he adopts the position of prevention being better than cure. He prefers to cross the Amazon at source. And he does it often. Constant reminders. Don't get emotional. Stick to the process. Keep your emotions in check. This is a big shift from Nigel Pearson, who bathed in a spirit of togetherness. The values Pearson leaves behind should stick around for a while in the form of a happy camp where the bonds are strong and everybody gets along. 

But gradually, under Manning, collective accomplishment - hitting your KPIs - will be the currency by which togetherness is fostered and maintained.

So results will matter. A tension-building winless run at any point - let's say 6-8 games - could hit harder than other places, triggering unwanted compound effects.

In any case, Manning is everything the club reportedly wanted when the phrase 'training ground manager' was being bandied about following Pearson's departure.

He will improve players and possibly turn one or two of them into big 

financial assets.

And objectively, Manning is right to turn his back on Oxford.

Probability-wise, it's a no-brainer.

The Yellows have made a solid start to the season but they are currently punching above their performance data.

A top-six finish is now highly probable. But their chances of promotion next May are the wrong side of a coin toss.

Instead, Manning moves up a level, in a stadium with four sides and crowds more than double the size. While from an expectation standpoint, the risks are slight. A play-off finish at any point in the next 2.5 years would be lauded from both inside and outside of Ashton Gate, yet the foundations are solid enough that a significant shortcoming would be required to dice with relegation. Perhaps most exciting of all, Manning now has the opportunity to imprint a modern brand of football on a passionate fanbase that has never truly had one. No big footsteps to follow. He's not a hostage to inevitable comparisons. This is all fresh.

Then the cherry on top of the cake is the kids.

As someone who isn't pushy or confrontational, Manning is on record saying he prefers to work with talented youngsters as they are naturally more open and receptive.

He now walks into one of the best academies at the level where a clear pathway to the first team is already established.

We know he's good, and we know he can get better.

Time to find out just how high that ceiling is.
 

23 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

You are too quick to ignite when anyone even questions, let alone critical of  , the Lansdowns

 

Maybe you could ask them next time you are polishing the shoes 

No, I missed a part of a reply when questioning where 200m came from, so apologised and made my point.

It's easy to miss something though as most is made up nonsense or regurgitated nonsense, based on no facts.

But thank you for your intelligent  school boy intellect reply

Not read all the thread, but decision to play Skyes left was a disaster as he looked lost and no understanding with Pring. The knock on effect was Tanner every time he received the ball, ending up go backwards and no threat at all down the right.

Can understand the concept of what Manning wants, but when you create the opening you need to move the ball forward and hurt the opposition, but we don't seem to have that yet, coupled with poor finishing from Conway when we do.

Hope Manning has learnt from today and does not put our most attacking player out of position again

10 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

The evidence suggests otherwise no?  He’s been stating it’s been up for sale openly for what, the last 2 years? My guess is privately it would have been much longer. 
 

 

I don't agree that the evidence shows that, a loss making football club must be an incredible hard thing to sell, made even more difficult as SL made it clear he would not just sell to anyone.  

3 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Wrong, read it again!  

The post said that if SL HAD valued BS at £200 million, that would be delusional.  Are you arguing that wouldn’t be the case, considering two clubs with a great deal of recent Premier League experience are valued around the £60m to £80m mark?

OK, sorry missed the it was the post, just don't like it when figures seem to be made up to attack someone with, but fair game if correct.

I would still argue, SL is no fool and will know much more than the Post or anyone on here about what is an achievable value

1 minute ago, BrizzleRed said:

On this thread, though I thought it had been reported he was asking around £140 million previously, so who knows other than a select few?

Given the activity around other clubs like WBA and Norwich and the lack of interest in us, it’s pretty safe to say we haven’t been priced competitively, don’t you think?

The post called SL delusional and quoted 200m, based on nothing more than someone's quess and figure they can use to attack SL.

As WSM pointed out it may be on the guess of what SL has invested, but I would guess that a man who is a self made billionaire may have some idea on how to value the business and what to offer for investment, much more than anyone on here.

He has always said it has to be the right investor or investment and maybe as others have said JL is more interested again in taking forward. 

7 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

You really have to question what SL actually wants here.  

Using West Brom and Norwich’s valuations as a comparison, surely SL putting £200 mill on Bristol Sport is like putting a crazily high F-off valuation on a player you desperately want to keep.

He has to be seriously delusional to believe he’ll get any takers at that price, so  really can’t see what he’s playing at.  If he IS that delusional, it will certainly explain some of the baffling decisions he’s made during his ownership of the club and also why we’re going nowhere fast.

Where has the 200m figure you are quoting for SL to be delusional come from?

4 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

But if that investment is being sought based on a valuation of £200m for the Pula/Bristol Sport group, then as @FNQ says you're asking someone to spend £60m for just 30%.

Why would anyone agree to that deal when they can go and buy all of West Brom (or any number of other clubs) for that same price?

Where has the 200m figure come from, it was quoted as 140m not that long ago, which also seems to be a figure suddenly quoted as facts

Where have the Lansdowns ever stated what they want to sell for or are the figures just used to beat them with?

Think losing Pring had a big impact and having to reshuffle so much with players out of position. Will be interesting if we go back to a back 4 on Saturday 

7 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I thought it was just me. He looks a little lost , but doesn't lack commitment as staying with City instead of going with the National side shows. Wonder if he's missing his BFF. 
The sooner he shakes himself out of it the better.  But for now, I'd be tempted to play Weimann instead . 3 excellent chances missed in 2 games , got away with it Saturday but it always comes back to bite you, missing those chances. 

I think he massively misses Nakki up front with him

Great 1st half but missed chances cost us, reading saints forum, all thought we should be winning.

James stood off a bit for the goal, but Great strike.

Seem to forget the pasing and retain possession instructions 2nd half and went back to hitting aimless balls forward and gifting the ball back 

Overall encouraging performance against a ex prem parachute payments team

Excellent 1st half against a top team on good run, only negative is poor finishing  otherwise would be winning 

Seem to remember Jon saying about investors and what expertise they can bring, so could mean that the new investor runs the club with the Lansdowns in the background and shared ownership, of course could mean a lot of things 

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

The tickets went really quickly. Much more so than last year.

I certainly don't think there is or was any conspiracy or they were Bristol Sport bots etc but the questions seemed quite tame, weren't very probing. Felt a bit of a wasted opportunity in some respects.

Don't disagree about the question and yes it was a bit tame, but feel some are OTT with criticism of the people that went and questions asked, did not see many posts from the same people before bemoaning they could not get tickets

2 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said:

1. If you're right, and I honestly hope you are, he'll probably suffer the same fate as poor Pearson. I will back him because I want City to do well.  Because of what Lansdown and Tinnion have done and said, there is no honeymoon period. Many fans will rightfully expect Manning to start delivering good results immediately.

2. Too many sycophants (aka sycofans) in attendance. Far too cosy (and somewhat preditable). Were they all incapable of asking Lansdown or Tinnion a hard-hitting question (politely)? I found it boring and embarrassing to watch. I am concerned that outsiders watching this, will think this small cohort is a true refelection of our wider fan base.

It seems the fans not happy with recent events prefer to vent their spline and whip up anti Lansdown hysteria from behind a keyboard, rather than making the effort to go, but then moan afterwards the questions were not the ones they would have asked. Tickets were freely available and whilst I accept not everyone can make it or things crop up, none of the more outspoken with the most posts recently seem to have been in attendance.

So after not bothering, instead prefer to attack and belittle the fans who did bother to attend and label them as sycophants or as others have called them Bristol Sport employees, BS bots, coach 1, happy clappers and a whole range of other insults and claim they are not representative of the fan base, as the views expressed last night do not match the mouthy few who dominate the post count on this forum. Perhaps its this forum that is not representative, whilst it may have 20k members, not that many regularly post and people I ask if they come on here, say can't be bothered as its so negative.

1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

 

The fact you had a ticket makes it even more of a mockery of your assertion it was full of Bristol Sport employees, as was clearly open to all.

It maybe that actually the mass of the fan base don't agree with you and a few others who like to post a lot on here, possible most accept the Lansdowns are not perfect and make mistakes, but are grateful for what they have and continue to do.

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

Actually, I had two tickets to attend. Unfortunately at the last moment my child minder let me down. 

Would you like me to send proof of my tickets or should I save you the embarrassment?

Oh how very convenient