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Whatever Tinnion tells him it is

I'm not so sure. I don't think we have the right infrastructure in place to support a young coach. Feels very, very much like when Derek McInnes came in - young, progressive, doing well with a small club. They have/had very similar experience in terms of numbers of games managed and win percentages at the point of joining this club. Frankly, not the type the club needs, the club can support and think this will go the same way to be honest.

The legals involved in contracts for sale and employment are pretty much standard forms and par for the course. Conveyancing is a bit different. It’s an archaic process and a lot of documentation and back and forth between the parties on generally immaterial matters, but it’s a box ticking exercise and is quite labour intensive. Conveyancing is the sweat shop end of law.

I only know what he's not doing - taking orders from Brian Tinnion - and doubt that is going to ever change

That’s fair. I don’t disagree that the decision is the head coach’s and theirs alone and their authority is final. I’m probably thinking too much of Olé’s time and thinking I would have sought his advice - relating to the novice. someone brought up ronaldo above. Point taken. My first thought was his first season wasn’t he player of the year and team of the year and 20 goals, then wreck it Ralph came in, then ten hag and personality issues brought the (very ugly) worst out of him (Ronaldo). For £12m though and the goals he brought and the commercial side could it ever be a flop… I don’t know about united. I’m a city fan. I was more tongue in cheek pointing out having Ferguson interfering v the senior players in the BCFC hierarchy was not really much comparison.

Agree. We’re all looking at things through our own lens currently. That’s the truth in life; that’s why we have a panel of jurors… but a verdict based on the majority is valid if not unanimous. And it’s clear where the majority and where the noted dissenting judgments are.

I don’t think they’ll do u-turn, but I think they’re really regretting it now realising no-one realistically available is appeasing the fan base.

I think having seen his line manager being done the dirty on, and admitting as such, he wouldn’t want this job.

I think it’s very clear he wishes he was dismissed on full pay with the rest of them but wasn’t so gave an interview that would speed up that process

I think it’s very clear he doesn’t want to work with this shower There can be no doubt left he’s waiting to get dismissed on full pay, and tried his best in that presser to make it sooner rather than later. Fair play.

And with a journalist. He basically apologised for asking each question ‘so, our nige, you know, there weren’t necessarily, you know, people, you know, ummm baying for his head, ummmm, so why did you make that decision?’ oooh new manager frank lampard maybe ‘laugh laugh laugh’ like it’s an exciting prospect right now.

Don’t listen to Nepo-baby, listen to Curtis Fleming’s pre match presser. Their decision was, is and always will be unjustifiable. They can’t save face this time, and I’m so glad Curtis dug in the knife and twisted it

Already liked Curtis, but watching that, what a man of integrity. It’s clear his future won’t be here, he’ll be a huge loss.

I'd expect quite a lot, but I would suggest it's probably appreciated as wise counsel not interference. Taken to it's extreme, if it had been Sir Alex who questioned Andy King's selection at centre back I reckon Nige would have taken it quite differently.

The Lansdowns clearly don’t give a …. So probably Darrell Clarke

Me too, I booked a golf game for when Storm Ciaran lands.

I think you ignore plenty of reasons not to come here though. Including micromanagement, austerity, sky high unrealistic expectations and fans absolutely right behind the previous manager with no faith in the powers that be. I can't name a single manager in my lifetime who's career benefitted from being here, no single manager has managed to achieve our aim of Premier League football. A few have been backed to the hilt to get there, and that's not what NP's replacement is going to get.

Agree, and I think we agree that the only plan should have been the terms of Nigel's extension. As alluded to above, I think anyone interested in this job will have asked their agent to see what the mood music is like around here, maybe try and sound out from Nigel the good the bad and the ugly (and respect for his opinion as someone who has been successfully around football for a very long time), would have seen the expectations that the board have for the club with the squad that we've got and the reporting lines, and will almost certainly conclude with their agent 'let's wait it out and see what the next vacancy is'. Unless it's a chance of a lifetime - like for Williams - I think we are a very easy job to pass over at this point in time.

Why would he want to leave Plymouth to come here?

Not so sure they would have. Nigel was going after Cardiff regardless, the decision was made. They didn't want him to get a fit squad to work with as they couldn't have blamed 'football reasons'. They probably would have assumed people would have been queuing up to meet them. Instead I expect potential candidates will have seen the sky sports article, would probably have perused this forum, and will think 'Christ that's toxic, let's wait for the managerial merry go round over the Xmas period'. Eustace is probably nailed on a job in the next 8 weeks, he's got no rush to take this one.

In what way is he better? How far as a club in footballing terms have we moved on since he came to power? We have had infrastructure investment for sure, name me a club, fewers aside, who haven't refurbed their ground, training centre or moved to a new facility since then? You talk about SL making a massive mistake with sacking Pearson in isolation, but it's not. He's made a bucket load of mistakes throughout his time here. An absolute bucket load. One of which is Bristol Sport which is a noose around his neck now he wants to exit. But whilst his decision making and ego holds us back, he's okay it seems largely because we've not entered administration.

You can be inarticulate and a Machiavellian mastermind - the two aren't mutually exclusive. I would suggest it appears the saga has definitely brought out the worst in Tinnion. He's trashed his reputation that he had done a very good job of rebuilding after his disastrous spell as manager, and his collective actions with the Lansdown's has threatened to derail a train that was most definitely nudging forward. SL said judge me on Tinnion - he's having another bite at that cherry as a backseat manager and in doing so we have cast aside someone not only best placed and qualified to do the job, but was also doing it well enough for the substantial majority. No wonder few have anything nice to say on him.

It also speaks volumes as to the extent of BT’s role given Nige said it was ‘someone higher up’ or words to that effect.

A question on Tinnion and his suitability for de facto DoF would have been interesting too

I agree it's how it started - your first para. Nigel was building a culture and building the way we wanted to play with Tinnion managing the pathway. But Tinnion is now our Tech Director and he's the tail wagging the dog quite clearly. SL probably believes that he's the sole person responsible for Semenyo and Scott and their development and Pearson just had to drop them in to the first team and do bugger all else. So I understand we want to have an identity and a way of playing, and it makes sense so you can chop and change manager's in the same mould without making wholesale changes. But we're beholden to Tinnion's view on what that is. That is undeniable from the latest car crash response. Instead of changing a manager requiring wholesale changes, what happens when Tinnion goes?