Eddie Hitler

The anti-Burglars!!! They break into your car and leave money!!

I went to help a friend recover an Astra (ok, not an Escort), and apart from the steering column damage the only thing the thief had done was throw away most of the empty fag packets that were littering the car! I had a Mark III and IV Escort so no RWD for me. Great looking cars all.

Tsk Tone - I come looking for new jokes and the heat of your new abode has drained your well of comedy; nothing for five days.

And the present "killer religion" is islam. It was Christianity 800 years ago; but we are not living 800 years ago.

What's the point of pulling up loads of minor exceptions to muddy the waters and obfuscate the debate? Do you seriously not recognise that there are multiple terrorist groups across the world, slaughtering at random with extreme cruelty, and all in the name of islam? You can revert to the "Christianity was as bad 800 years ago" argument or claim that the Northern Ireland troubles were a religious conflict (when they clearly weren't) if you wish to continue to not see the obvious for some perverse reason and that's entirely your choice.

There are isolated exceptions of course. Jim Jones springs to mind.

Poverty, oppression and lack of opportunity are there for Catholics in south and central America, Hindus in India, Christians in sub-Saharan Africa, and whatever religions are followed in China and south east Asia. None of these religious adherents have set up faith based terrorist groups.

What then is your explanation for the multiple outrages regularly carried out throughout the world whose only common factor is adherence to Islam? Coincidence perhaps?

If there were a clear trend of certain crimes being perpetrated by Australian painters, at levels wholly disproprtionate to their numbers, then you would be right to be suspicious of them. That is not to say that every Australian painter is a wrong 'un but that there is clearly something within the belief system of Australian painters that makes them more likely to perpetrate certain crimes. Look at gun ownership: heavily legislated against in this country. I like firing guns, and would like to own a few and shoot them, but I can't. Because a small number of gun owners go mental and start shooting people. So I, despite being a law-abiding citizen, get tarred with the same brush and am not allowed to own a gun because a tiny minority of those who have previously owned guns committed crimes. The question on this thread is not are there decent law-abiding muslims, of course there are, the great majority, but is there something intrinsic to the religion itself which generates the extreme crimes that we see time and time again? If so then, like gun ownership, should something be done about it to protect potential victims?

Scientology comes closest IMO. But bad as it Scientology does not inspire its adherents to go round killing people at random in its name.

Yep, I discovered in the States many years ago as a decent alternative to the ubiquitous burger in a bun rubbish. Now i would rather go hungry than eat in a Subway.

It's not the taste, it's the cruel method of slaughter of the animals which you are signing up to by going to Subway.

1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html 2. I discovered them in the US before they came here' ideal place for a really tasty, filling and good value lunch - lovely choice of bread, lost of fresh salad filling. I cannot make a better sarnie myself. However after reading that story earlier today I will never set foot in one again, I'm not supporting a business that actively chooses to support cruelty to animals.

Zamora? A time when they had Gary Penrice coaching their attackers, turned out one gem after another, sold them for millions, then let GP go to save a few quid. Genius.

They must be insane letting Farage have this platform; he'll annihilate them.

Agreed but I doubt we could ever realistically afford Jet, even when we bought him, it may have been a gamble to make money by buying a highly-talented under-performing player and then showing what he can do before selling him on at a profit. As has been said he doesn't really fit into our team structure, he's just so bloody good he's got to be on.

He's being realistic. In the past we've waited until our best players are either near the end of their contracts or go off the boil, the time to sell a player is when they're playing at their peak which is when other clubs want him.

I'm mightily peed off as I got back early to hear it. They definitely say online with Andy Howard commentating as it's FA cup. Pffft, cup of coffee then.

I just listened to TTB again as I was beginning to doubt myself. At 6.09, definitely says it will be available online. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01jw6v1

Errr, they seem to have forgotten and are repeating TTB like they usually do. I just tried Radio Essex and they are broadcasting but haven't mention D&R yet. Maybe they count as London.

In case anybody isn't aware it was flagged on TTB last night that this game, as it's FA Cup rather than league, is available on Radio Bristol over the internet.

Suggestion (which I can't claim credit for) that to put pressure on the club to rescind these arbitrary and unfair lifetime bans for a whole heap of nothing at Cardiff / the derby that there is a boycott of the FA Cup R1 game and an associated demo is held rather than just staying in the pub. There is a big difference between the club not condoning violence and it banning lifelong fans for incredibly minor offences. The club is not claiming the moral high ground here, just acting like a newly-appointed moderator who has just discovered the ban button. They may have the approval of a couple of mouthy keyboard warriors but to the average fan they come across as petty and vindictive.

No way, you don't get out of it that easily!

Ok, so the unwritten answer is that these are in fact nasty pieces of work who would go on the run if they knew that they were going to be arrested. And that I am wrong to assume otherwise. That's fine, as it is an assumption on my part and these are sometimes wrong. I have no inside knowledge and no axe to grind. If you say this is poprtionate and appropriate, based upon information that you have, then I will accept that. The test will be that these 16 are in found guilty of criminal offences when they come to trial.

Why is that ridiculous? We are not talking about career criminals. How often is there law-breaking violence at a Bristol City game? Six times a year absolute tops. So if any of these are repeat offenders then they're not doing it very often and are not about to go on the run because of it. So you write to them to come in, some will do so. Where they don't then you issue a warrant for their arrest and then you can do your dawn raid. I accept that not every one of those involved is a decent lad who got carried away, there are some nasty pieces of work out there, but when you get up to 16 people being arrested in dawn raids for some trouble on the pitch then the word that you are looking for is "disproportionate". Save those kind of exercises for terrorists and armed robbers where there is every reason to do so.