Eddie Hitler

I've cribbed a definition below, the lease is the legal agreement under which the long term rental happens. Granting a 125 year lease would mean that the football club company would own, as in have exclusive rights to, Ashton Gate for 125 years in exchange for an agreed rental stream. As long as the rent is paid as agreed then BCFC Ltd effectively owns the ground, whilst paying a rent to the freeholder as someone owning a leasehold flat would pay ground rent. And to suggest that having given a 125 year lease to BCFC from the stadium company that the rugby club has similar is a nonsense. Though as I said the guy was put in the spot, in a similar situation I might have blurted out "lease" but I would have corrected myself. What Is a Lease? A lease is a contract outlining the terms under which one party agrees to rent an asset—in this case, property—owned by another party. It guarantees the lessee, also known as the tenant, use of the property and guarantees the lessor (the property owner or landlord) regular payments for a specified period in exchange. Both the lessee and the lessor face consequences if they fail to uphold the terms of the contract. A lease is a form of incorporeal right.

There is no lease. There was nothing in the the years 14 / 15 / 16 and here are the fixed asset notes of firstly Ashton Gate Limited, this holds the ground, and then Bristol City Football Club Ltd. This possibly owns the HPC but crucially owns no leasehold property. The guy who spoke, the accountant presumably, was put on the spot with no opportunity for preparation and was incorrect in referring to a lease but there may well be a bindng agreement that the team will continue to play there for 125 years which is what he meant.

Thanks, the words were that nine years ago the football club was granted a 125 year lease on the stadium. And something about the rugby club have security of tenure. I can't think that this is correct, being an asset of community value would prevent a lease of that length being granted without opening it up. Surely instead of being an actual lease in the formal sense it's going to be an agreement that they can keep playing there. Otherwise if the football club is sold, as an individual company, or goes bust then it takes with it a 125 year lease on the ground which is exactly what the 2006 separation of ground and club which you picked out earlier was designed to avoid. 2014 and 2015 accounts here we come.

There is also this from 2014 where the SC&T had it registered as an ACV, and we'll done them. @Mr Popodopolous Ashton Gate – An Asset of Community Value December 10, 2014\ Stuart Rogers In December 2014, Ashton Gate Stadium was successfully registered by the Supporters Club & Trust as an asset of community value under the Localism Act. Put simply, it means it the owner must not dispose of the freehold or grant a lease of 25 years or more without giving interested local community groups the opportunity to put a bid together. There will be a period of moratorium following receipt of any notice of intent to sell from the owner during which restrictions on disposal will apply. https://www.bristolcitysupporters.org/ashton-gate-asset-community-value/

Well done on finding it Mr P, though that to me looks like the restructure which other clubs were doing where, from having one company holding everything, we changed to a holding company (in which some fans still have shares) which wholly owned a club subsidiary and a ground subsidiary (Ashton Gate Limited). This was done so that if the football club went bust then it wouldn't take the ground with it. At that stage the freehold remained owned by AG Ltd and, through them, BC Holdings Ltd. I will also have a poke about the accounts to see when the freehold went outside the Holdings group, as I said this is all news to me.

Good point.

We, as in Bristol City Holdings, of which I and many on here used to hold shares and some still do, used to own it outright through a subsidiary company. At some point the ownership of the freehold must have been sold and I was totally unaware of that. If I was still holding shares then I would be rather peeved and asking questions about whether it was a genuinely fair value transaction. However I took up the Lansdowns' offer to buy my shares at the price I paid for them, which was very generous of them and a real thank you for those of us who helped the club when it asked for help, so with no vested interest I can't moan about it.

What is this legendary "main thread" of which you speak? And who holds this 125 lease and who the freehold? Is it me?

And the ticket collectors and stewards, it's nepotism run rife there. Clear them all out, bring over the match day staff that Oxford use.

Surely JJT has a point. When you have a popular employee who is good at his job, cheers people up, and gives a great deal of his free time to helping various local causes then...

No, @Coombsy is spot on there. A football club is a single corporate body. People however so often make the mistake of treating them as a plural that it is widely regarded as being the correct form. I gave him a like for his grammatical excellence.

Oi, stop eavesdropping on our forum! I'm not claiming that you have but with Ashton's penchant for shovelling vast amounts of cash into a furnace I think it likely that you will do so in the future, unless your Board comes to its senses in time.

Je suis desole

Actually one to watch much further west, in Cornwall is Mousehole, which will seem bizarre to anyone who has ever visited the seaside village. They have a professional set up and are going up the leagues. Though tbh I couldn't even guess where their ground is given that Mousehole is all on land sloping down to the harbour.

Them, Rovers, Torquay, Plymouth, Taunton Town, Weymouth, Weston, Cheltenham, Forest Green, Truro City, Swindon Supermarine (not town), Yeovil, Plymouth Parkway, Mangotsfield and Bristol Manor Farm. Every game a derby game.

I quite like Everton but am all for there being big penalties for breaching FFP, either deliberately or by being reckless. <cough>Ipswich</cough>

This was late 90s so beer generally wasn't something for which you asked the price because it wasn't going to be much. Wetherspoons' clientele depends very much upon the pub, I am a regular at several very pleasant ones but tbf have been to two (Wimbledon and Mutley Plain, Plymouth) where I didn't even bother to sit down, let alone have a pint.

I have seen such and find it unbelievable. I want to be there watching it and in the moment, I remember my best gigs very well without the need of recording. Bands should have a "no filming" policy, I think Placebo does for one, with anyone breaching that ejected. I also see this at reports of street protests, maybe 20% protesting and 80% filming. It's bonkers: try living in the moment people. It's life and not a documentary.

I went to an ice hockey game in Aviemore when you there skiing decades ago, I enjoyed it as I have the sports I've watched in the US. If it's got a good atmosphere and the players move about a lot then most sports are decent if you're actually there rather than watching it on the telly. The prime example for me is horse racing, it's a fantastic day out but full as ditchwater when watching it on the telly unless you have a bet on as for the Grand National sweepstakes.

Whenever you have loads leaving early from a sewn on nil-nil draw the scoreboard operators should wait until they have mostly gone and then put a big message "Everyone please give a huge cheer in 10, 9, 8...." in order to wind them.up.

When I lived in central London I was a member of Middlesex Cricket Club; this is very different from the MCC, it is open to anyone and us really cheap. I think £75 back then for the whole season of county games. My main reason was that it was an oasis of quiet and greenery in a busy city and it was lovely to sit in the mostly empty stands on a warm sunny day sipping a beer. I knew who Mike Gatting and Phil Tufnell were but couldn't have named another player, though did cheer or clap as appropriate. The cricket was an excuse for spending the day drinking beer somewhere nice in the sunshine.

I'd say that we no longer have a proper rivalry with any club, the days when the Bristol derby featured in listings of the top ten derbies in Britain are long gone. The others you list may have some edge through localness and history but I would say that a key aspect of a rivalry is always looking out for the rival team's result and the only teams I now take notice of, other than Rovers, are teams in which I have an interest because they are, or were local to me, so it doesn't derive from rivalry. I look out for the Plymouth, Exeter and Torquay results but don't see them in any way as being rivals. I suppose that if we have to name a rival then it's Rovers but that's only because they used to be proper rivals, it's been at least a decade since they were even close to being that. "Coming for us" indeed.

QPR sacked Gareth Aisnworth and appointed a new European manager the next day who has them playing in a different style; they drew away to Rotherham in his first game. I wouldn't be counting any chickens here. Marti Cifuentes: QPR appoint Hammarby boss as new head coach Last updated on 30 October 2023 Queens Park Rangers have appointed Hammarby boss Marti Cifuentes as their new head coach. The 41-year-old replaces Gareth Ainsworth who was sacked on Saturday after a sixth straight Championship loss left them 23rd in the table. Spaniard Cifuentes was in charge of the Swedish top-flight side for two years. "Marti is an exciting appointment and we look forward to seeing the impact he can have," QPR chief executive Lee Hoos told the club website. "Having a succession plan in place is a necessary part of football, irrespective of how the team are performing. "Marti is someone we have been aware of so we are really pleased to have been able to secure his services." Cifuentes has spent almost a decade in management and coached in the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Norway and Denmark. He arrives at a side with two wins in 14 league games and they are six points behind Huddersfield Town who are just outside the drop zone. His first game in charge will be at fellow strugglers Rotherham United on Saturday. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67269077

This one. Henbury Gas is Leatherface.

Yes, Parson Street is this forum's Mornington Crescent, it just keeps coming up.