Harry

Yeah. That wasn’t particularly inspiring was it! 

1 minute ago, old_eastender said:

it was Vyner, I think you will find

No. The loss of possession that ended up allowing their full back to run inside which ended up causing Zak a problem 

Have to question what TGH was doing to gift them possession to then win the corner 

3 hours ago, The Journalist said:

The big takeaway here is that Will C on Twitter is YOU?!

You once called me a “tetchy ******”. Not that I’ve held onto that or anything.

Ha ha. You’ve outed yourself young William   
No doubt some of your haters will ask what the ‘C’ stands for!!?? 

46 minutes ago, Roe said:

Can't be bothered to watch but surely he didn't actually say only 1 bad performance in 20??

If you watch it you’ll understand the context. 

19 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Oh, he did. Technically one in 20 prior to the last two, so 3 in 22 but up until QPR we were playing like prime Barca (that last bit is sarcasm)

I think you’re being a tad facetious again Mr Dante. 
 

Yes, those were the words which were said but it was in the context of ‘we’ve been crap for 2 games but before that we’d come off the back of positive performances vs Southampton as well as Forest twice.’ 
 

20 games wasn’t a ‘scientific’ stat he’s studied and concluded. It was just a throwaway comment that whilst he acknowledges the last 2 have been bad, it’s not been all bad over the last couple of months. 
 

You know as well as I do that he doesn’t actually specifically mean he’s happy with 19 out of the last 20 performances. 

2 hours ago, petehinton said:

“Had to adapt because of the players we’ve got”

Aka - I can’t play my style because of the squad, and Tinnion & JL sold the fans the dream. 
 

@Davefevs @Harry said he’d let it slip in an off the cuff manner, maybe not in the same week though

Yep. I got the sense he didn’t really want to say exactly that but it came out. 

As Fevs said; and I agree, we’ve not really been trying to play Manning’s desired way for a few weeks. So there has clearly already been an element of adaptation.  
 

If we look at the first few games, he clearly came in and tried to get us to play with much more possession. Sometimes this was good but sometimes it was slow. Too slow. But you could see that we were trying to keep the ball much more. 
Problem is that these players aren’t capable of doing that consistently enough, and definitely not quick enough when under pressure. 
By quick enough, this is in speed of thought and decision making as well as speed of execution.  

I think LM has realised this and we have kind of reverted to type, ie our old ‘counter attacking’ manners. 
Fevs’ stats will back up that we are good at pressing and winning the ball back high up the pitch and creating chances off of that. 
So we’re kinda back to our old ways of being a threat when we haven’t got the ball. Which is totally counter to what LM ideally wants. 
 

He’s no doubt realised that some of our players don’t quite have that ability to execute exactly what he wants. 
 

This means he will (and I think to an extent already has) have to adapt. He’ll have to sacrifice his own ideologies until he can recruit (and he alludes to this in the interview today too). 
When he says ‘the processes don’t change’, that doesn’t mean he isn’t adapting/altering tactically. Just means they’ll keep doing the same things on the training pitch and in the meeting room (which revolves around instilling behaviours, empowerment, decision making, overcoming barriers etc). That’s the ‘processes’ that won’t change. The actual tactics have already changed and I think he knows that he is working with a limited group in terms of trying to get what he desires. 
He’s having to meet them halfway a little bit I think. Allow them to revert to type and play to their strengths. 
 

As has been mentioned a few times lately, I did say prior to his arrival that his style of play would not suit our squad. And I think he now realises that. 
What you have to be critical of is the process by which he was appointed here.

It’s very very evident from his CV exactly what type of football he wants to play. 
It was also very very evident what type of football our squad are best at. 
And never the twain shall meet. These 2 things are at total odds. 
So it calls into question why Tinnion targeted Manning. 

BT “Hi it’s Brian. We think you’re a great young up and coming coach and we think you’re the right fit for us to take us up” 

LM “Great, happy to come on board”

BT “here’s our squad. We play 4 at the back and really suit a counter attacking philosophy”

LM “well, I prefer to play with a 3 and like to dominate possession and enjoy wing backs, 2 dynamic midfielders and a creative number 10”

BT “sorry. We haven’t got that. But you’re a good coach aren’t you, sort it out”

LM “why did you approach me then? You know my ideals and you know this squad doesn’t suit”

BT “We have a plan. We’re all aligned. We’re a top end squad. We’ve got great chance of success. get on with it, I know what I’m doing” 

33 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

So are you saying it's a maybe?

Yeh, it’s a maybe.

Actually, I won’t have this dilemma as I won’t be making it to the game due to the early kickoff. 
So the A&S Police and SAG unit are absolute tosspots as well as Big Dave! 

4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Arsenal , Brighton , West Ham , Brentford , Leicester , Hull , Coventry , Sunderland , Middlesborough , Cardiff , Millwall , Stoke , Rotherham , Derby , Bolton , Oxford , Northampton , Bristol R*vers , Wigan , Shrewsbury , Reading , Walsall , Newport , Wimbledon , Colchester.
Plus; Chesterfield , York City , Wembley . 

I think that's most of them, couple more now Non League possibly. 
It why I gave up on even thinking about the 92 thing, too many Clubs moving.
Done all but Arsenal with City , so I'd be relying on Cup games to fill in now and I can't be arsed TBH. 

Ah yes! I forgot to add Wembley to my list. Good shout 

2 minutes ago, Peter1450 said:

Hope no one cheers when he scores, because you know that’s bound to happen 

Unconnected but slightly tenuous. 
At FGR on Tuesday there was a ‘neutral’ stood right next to me, but he was clearly there to support Wrexham. 
I made sure I cheered and shouted extra loud right next him when FGR scored. 
 

I know it was only FGR but I didn’t see the need for him to keep saying ‘go on’ or ‘well done’ whenever Wrexham did something. Had that been at AG I genuinely think he’d have had someone confront him. 
 

Anyway - back to Big Dave from Knowle. Even though he was generally a clump of a player. 

9 minutes ago, spudski said:

I fully understand your sentiments Harry...but you would have cheered Marlon

Marlon is one of the best players who’ve played for us in the last 25 years. 
And he didn’t give up for half a year, have a first touch into next week and then join a rival. 

For me, old grounds visited are :

Brighton, West Ham, Brentford, Leicester, Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Cardiff, Swansea, Millwall, Stoke, Rotherham, Derby, Bolton, Oxford, Gas, Wigan, Shrewsbury, Reading, Walsall, Colchester, Chesterfield, York. 
Technically could claim Charlton & Wimbledon too as went to their old grounds when they each didn’t have one. So, 22 + 2. 

1 hour ago, Leabrook said:

Imagine the Pearson lovers if he posted.  

We’d need Tins the jizmopper again ….. 

14 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

With our season fizzing out why not keep him here and give him minutes? 

14 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Hmmm I'm not sure it is good for his development. On a footballing side maybe but going from getting minutes in the Championship to being bombed out to Bath is going to have a mental impact. 

17 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Looks like we've been strengthening links with Weston of late which I'm pleased with. Wish we'd have sent Yeboah down here. 

So I assume going to Weston wouldn’t have had a mental impact on him, but going to Bath does? 

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

@Harry @W-S-M Seagull - sorry to interject in your argument but just a couple of points!

Firstly, there are aspects to criticise Liam on, but I’m with Harry in that in no way is he a yes man (I posted as such on his appointment) - you don’t move clubs, leaving them quickly and move around the world unless you have a single mindedness and determination that means you want best for you - and that’s not a yes man characteristic. You can also see it in his interviews - and it’s worth looking up the interview with Wayne Brown when he left Oxford. He’s a bit of a bastard when he needs to be (which is good), and Yeboah would be in the first team reckoning if he wanted him.

That single mindedness is probably a reason why he’s not playing him or other youth - he needs results so doesn’t risk it. And historically, he’s also not risked it,

I’d then concur that Tinnion arranged the loan fully. Liams focused on the first team and as EY isn’t in his plans, I think he’d have a passing say at best as to where he went.

The real important bit is in the bolded paragraph above. @Harry - you mentioned on another thread a post you did when Liam was first mooted and I re-read that last night (I’ll probably repost later as it’s well worth looking at in hindsight). The nutshell was that you weren’t convinced Manning was a fit, but you liked him as a coach. When you read that post again, and see how things have transpired, there were a lot of red flags which should have been evident had there been more due diligence by Tinnion and Lansdown. Stuff like the players for the system, the warning sign over the Dons success etc. What wasn’t mentioned was the lack of youth development at either job. The point here is if BT/JL missed all the flags you saw - it’s not beyond the realms they also missed that red flag as well.

In short, why would Brian appoint a coach who didn’t support the academy? Because Brian, IMO, probably didn’t look closely enough at Liam and the “fit” on several aspects

Thanks Silvio. 
The comments referred to prior to LM’s arrival are in the link above. Page 5 I think. 
 

As you say, I had reservations. But now he’s here I’m prepared to give him more than 3 months. 
 

But thanks for referring to my original comments on him. Some posters who accuse me of being up Liam’s backside would do well to read it again. 
I’m certainly not up his backside. I just want him to have a fair crack of the whip and get more than 3 months before we call for his head. Thats the only ‘defence’ of Manning that I’ve been putting up.
 

Had that 3 months been a total disaster, I can fully understand. But it’s not been a total disaster. It’s had ups and downs, some good highs and some poor lows. 
But when we start to accuse him of ripping up the pathway and causing mental health problems for our youngsters just because a 17 year old has gone out on loan, I actually think many of our fans are losing their minds! 

8 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

"You do know, don’t you, that Tinnion is in charge of all footballing matters"

You do know don’t you, that this obviously wouldn’t include team selection. 
I would call you a bird brain but you’ll accuse me of getting personal and DM me again! 

12 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've read some right waffle on here from you before (mainly when you can't accept you're wrong) but to suggest that Tinnion is in charge of ALL footballing matters which obviously includes team selections and who trains with the first team is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. 

What was clear is that Manning came in here and did not fancy the lad at this point. He'd rather we spent money on another young lad who's inexperienced. 

Stop with the false narrative. Bot one person has suggested that the HEAD COACH is responsible for dealing with other clubs etc. I think youve been playing too much football manager.

The reason Tinnion has arranged the loan is not because he thinks it's best for his development, but because Manning doesn't want to select him. Tinnion would much rather he was in and around the first team, that's a given. 

Tinnion can't force Manning to select players! 

Very strange that as soon as anyone criticises LM you jump to his defence. You're acting like youre LMs spokesman. 

Maybe you're after some brownie points from them but suggesting Tinnion picks the team worse than your insistence that we are now well coached. 

Oh, and please tell me where it was exactly that I said “Tinnion is in charge of team selection”? 
You do love to misinterpret stuff and then run with it, don’t you. 
 

I’ll explain it for you again. Why would Tinnion, who loves the academy so much and is super proud of the pathway, employ a head coach who rips it up in front of his eyes and loans out his star boy seriously effecting his mental health? 
 

5 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've read some right waffle on here from you before (mainly when you can't accept you're wrong) but to suggest that Tinnion is in charge of ALL footballing matters which obviously includes team selections and who trains with the first team is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. 

What was clear is that Manning came in here and did not fancy the lad at this point. He'd rather we spent money on another young lad who's inexperienced. 

Stop with the false narrative. Bot one person has suggested that the HEAD COACH is responsible for dealing with other clubs etc. The reason Tinnion has arranged the loan is not because he thinks it's best for his development, but because Manning doesn't want to select him. Tinnion would much rather he was in and around the first team. 

Tinnion can't force Manning to select players! 

Very strange that as soon as anyone criticises LM you jump to his defence. You're acting like your LMs spokesman. 

Maybe you're after some brownie points from them but suggesting Tinnion picks the team worse than your insistence that we are now well coached. 

So, can you confirm. I’m not on ignore any more? 

18 minutes ago, frenchred said:

I went tonight as well mate, thought FGR striker who scored was a real handful and Keogh did all that was expected of him as well!

Yep. Defended well all game. Didn’t really allow much down the middle. Stayed compact and forced Wrexham back and wide and they had to rely upon aimless crosses for the most part. 
Keogh martialled the defence well. Midfield were energetic. Didn’t see a lot of the ball but they all worked hard and for the most part kept Wrexham at arms length. 
Osadebe took the goal well but then had to work hard off the ball for most of the game. 
Cotts has definitely got them playing with more organisation and more belief. 

Some folks say that Manning was employed because he’s a Yes man. 
And now they’re also saying that he’s single handedly ripping up the pathway. 
mmmm….?? 
 

You do know, don’t you, that Tinnion is in charge of all footballing matters. Manning didn’t phone up Bath City and say “hey, there’s this talented prospect who the previous bloke was playing for about 10 minutes a game but I don’t want him - EVER. Please take him away from me”. 
 

The decision to loan out Yeboah will have been one that was fully (and I mean FULLY) agreed and arranged by Tinnion. And the reason will be because Tinnion thinks it is the very best thing for his development right now. 
I’ve spoken to Tinnion about Yeboah - he absolutely bloody loves him. I don’t think he’d sit back and allow Manning to “ruin his mental state” as someone has suggested. 

 

Just now, Davefevs said:

Harry Goes To Hollywood

Hopefully they heard me shout rather loudly, as Mullen was bawling for a foul that never was “cry more Mullin”. He did have a little glance over. The joys of a small ground, the players can hear your shouts

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

A mate of mine used to do that as a job to earn some money whilst backpacking round Oz!

I think the official term in JizMopper. 

I understand they are employed in places like Amsterdam at the peep shows, cleaning up the booths after the patrons have dispensed. 

56 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

@Harry trying to get an appearance on Netflix!

Very disappointing tonight. 
Cotts must be ripping his gelled hair out! 
It was pretty much all Wrexham. Lots of the ball but very few clear cut chances as FGR defended brilliantly. 
You can see that they are far better organised since Cotts arrived. 
Defended superbly and then in the 93rd minute the keeper flaps at an easy cross and they get a penalty! Absolutely gutted. 
But positive signs since Cotts got here 

3 minutes ago, Kingswood Robin said:

What role will Tinnion have when they take over? 

Mopping up the cum