SecretSam

God, iPlayer is full of Wimbledon shit

Coo, some nice, sensible discussion. Thanks all.

11 hours ago, sglosbcfc said:

Glad we stayed at Ashton gate, perfect mixture of modern and historical.

With the benefit of hindsight, yes, but lots were pretty unhappy at the time - myself included. Kudos to the club and its design team, they really came up with a truly fabulous set of proposals, luckily we had space to develop. The value of long-term planning and good masterplans, and a clear vision.

9 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

And the relevance of that is

...that they have an epic youth set up that regularly churns out talent? So, no relevance, really

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Under current FFP rules you are not correct.

Academy costs are excluded, but anyone with a professional playing contract (like Rene) isn’t excluded.

But internally, some of his wages could be treated as coaching costs, ergo releasing some of the playing budget for another new face? Plus Palmer going frees up a bit of headroom (although mostly we'll probably see that as part of a wage budget reduction)

8 hours ago, Redrascal2 said:

And do his wages block another signing.

I would imagine a bit of accounting jiggery-pokery is being done (that's a technical term, BTW). So him being a coach means part of his salary is shifted to the coaching side, freeing some wages. And I doubt his wages are high.

12 hours ago, bris red said:

Far too early to say isn’t it. Management only works out well for a very small % of ex - pro’s.

Surely most managers are ex-pros? Ancelotti, Guardiola, etc...

I see loans are planned for Towler, Idehen, Conway, Bell and possibly Owers.

I'm not ITK with these youngsters, how much promise do they really show? How far away from first team level are they? I know Scott is no benchmark, he's an exception, but could any of them realistically stay and battle for the first team?

Genuine Q.

Handbags!!!

Fine save by Cox

2 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

That rb is shocking, and devines set pieces were pretty bad too as others have mentioned

Except for the one for Alex's goal

Just now, Davefevs said:

Been much better second half. 

Yeah, England looked a mess for first 15. Cox and RB made horrible errors in possession 

Unlucky for Casadei of Italy, he has been good

Scott got away with one there!

3 minutes ago, harrys said:

Wouldn’t let that Divine any where near any more set-pieces

Good call!!!!

I never watch football at this level. Interesting. Lots of errors, some pkayers look very much at s different level. EG Italy keeper looks much better than England's 

Italians not holding back with the challenges 

Just now, North London Red said:

BBC website, and I think iplayer too. 

Iplayer is where I am

4 minutes ago, harrys said:

I’m not too impressed with some of these England players

I guess some look like what they are: raw young talents

Italian keeper sharp

26 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The Pope has signed for Newcastle!

But Jesus may be off to Arsenal

Was solid when he finally got his chance, but clearly (and rightly) felt he wanted games. Good luck to the lad, he'll do well.

1 hour ago, RedM said:

I found myself getting annoyed about the thought of clubs getting parachute payments and cutting players wages. For a long time I have been asking why a player is happy to take a hefty increase in wages upon promotion but have to be paid using parachute payments and won't accept a similar cut upon relegation?

You and me both. Parachute payments were introduced IIRC after the Bradford calamity, when they plummeted down the divisions due to unavoidable and unsustainable salary costs (hmmm, who else had the same issue a while back?)

Now, most sensible clubs have a wage structure such that players' wages are cut if they drop. Ergo, no need for parachute payments.

All they do is make for the ludicrous situation of clubs like Norwich, Fulham and WBA bouncing between divisions.

1 hour ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I think this a classic case of much potential but little end product. The guys appeals to the young fans because he is sort of cool and they actually have a song for him but I wonder if he was a carrot top form deepest wales if he would get the same interest.

For me he is now old enough to have gained some level of consistency and got rid of his 2-3 serious mistakes per game.

He's 20 years old, FFS, if you can't make mistakes at age 20, when can you? At what point does development stop? As long as he learns from his errors and/or is taught about how to avoid them, he'll improve.

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

For those of you that read the Reuben McAllister thread on the transfer sub-forum, I mentioned that yesterday I was reading up on “compo”, both the EPPP stuff for academy / young players but also the FIFA RSTP Training Development and Solidarity Payments stuff.  The other reason for doing so was because of Han.  I’d read some stuff before but it isn’t straightforward.

In Han’s case he is beyond the EPPP stuff, and therefore if he was to run his contract down he falls into two camps next summer:

1. signs for an English FA team - compo is governed by the PFCC (Professional Football Compensation Committee)…what we often refer to as “gone to tribunal”
2. signs for a club outside of the English FA - compo is governed by FIFA RSTP (Regulations on the Status of Players and Transfers) and because it’s end of contract, it would be Training Compensation.

At it’s most simple level, 1. would mean significantly more compo than 2.

My gut feel is that should he be allowed to wind his contract down he would move back home (or abroad), so the upshot is we can’t afford to let a €3m signing go and only get approx €300k in Compo.  I suspect we’d get £3m through PFCC.

Personally I hope he signs a new deal, but if he won’t, then we must sell in this window.

In January he can sign pre-contract terms with non-English FA clubs….so we can’t wait til the winter window.

 

Thanks, sad, but I think we have to resign ourselves to him leaving.

Morning campers,

I was listening to the 3Peeps pod last week about our various transfer dealings (good stuff, BTW) and they mentioned that one option for us with HNM was to keep him and get compensation when/if he leaves at the end of his contract - if the bids are only (say) £2m, we might get that in compo, and we'd keep him another season.

Anyone know how this works?

8 hours ago, glynriley said:

Why on earth do people trawl social media accounts to get wound up?

Strange world we live in. 

You should stay away from Twitter