Nogbad the Bad

Very similar feel, but in Manning's favour he hasn't been chosen for apparently no other reason than the owner knows him and likes him personally. The appointment doesn't feel like a double whammy to me this time - while not 'inspired' by Manning I'm also not against him or angry and completely deflated at him being the new man as I was with LJ replacing Cotts. For all our frustration we should perhaps remember fans used to be known as 'spectators' and in essence that's what we are - we watch on at events at the club as well as watching the team, and have strong opinions on everything connected to the club. Unless we're going to withdraw our support for Bristol City F.C. - and if I was ever going to do that it would have been when Cotts was sacked and LJ came in - we continue to be spectators with a fascination for all things Bristol City that most of us can't, in fact don't want to, shake off. While we may resent the board taking that for granted, we don't need to like or support the board, we support the team and the fact remains most of us know in our hearts we're not going to just walk away from a lifelong passion which is so much a part of us. I can only hope we've genuinely got one of the most promising up and coming young coaches this time, not an over hyped self publicist who should never have been appointed, and if so, who knows, it may turn out to be an enjoyable period to support the club. Therefore, pissed off and disgruntled as we should rightly be imo at Nige's horrendous treatment, we can't change it and at this point we have a choice of either supporting the new coach while very much hoping for the best, or knock the whole thing on the head and become an ex-supporter of BCFC. In that sprit, presuming the appointment is confirmed, welcome to AG Liam, and good luck.

Where's this 'naysht' at the end come from? I was taught to pronounce 'knecht' as 'connect' - near as damn it. So Lee burr c(o)nnect.

Can't be bothered to go through the interview again, but I'm sure I heard JL say that although the recruitment team make up a list based on positions the manager feels need strengthening, you'd never sign anyone the manager doesn't want, and the manager always has the 'final say' on signings. The exact words 'final say' repeated so often by LJ, who also said, iirc, that he could, and did, put forward his own names to any list made up by others. Trying to absolve LJ from any responsibility doesn't work for me.

Manning's only been at Oxford about 8 months, staving off the threat of relegation last season and taking them to 2nd in the table now. Evidently a promising young manager and would certainly seem to fit the bill as far as the Lansdowns/Tinnion are concerned, but very inexperienced and a huge gamble.

Done very well in his 8 months there, staved off the threat of relegation last season and now has Oxford 2nd in the table. From wiki: Manning favours a high possession, high pressing style of football.[14][15] He has a reputation for developing young players, having spent much of his early coaching career working with the academy sides of West Ham United, Ipswich Town and New York City FC. Manning is credited as having contributed to the development of England international Declan Rice.[4

Yep, crawl back to Nige, then bugger off to Guernsey/Bermuda and let him get on with it. 99% of fans back onside at a stroke. If only......

With our dire injury situation that's not going to happen. I think it's only Nige's experience and calmness and the respect the players hold him in that has prevented a thrashing for our patchwork team in the last few games. I don't think we should underestimate the effect Nige's sacking will have on the morale of the depleted squad - they were given confidence and were willing to run through brick walls for him, it's not going to be the same with a new manager, or indeed no manager. Sheffield Wednesday may be bottom of the table but such is our disarray things could really fall apart on Saturday, new manager or not.

You're adding nothing to the thread and I don't believe you're a Bristol City fan. Go away.

The Lansdowns will know full well the fans were overwhelmingly behind Nige but they clearly don't give a shit about us or what we think. The players would have enormous respect and trust in Nige and no doubt they are gutted too - it's back to square one with an inferior yes man and very likely downhill from here. Disgusting decision, absolutely furious.

Look at the poll - 96% of City fans say it's not. No manager will ever get the support of every fan but this must be just about unprecedented support for a City manager.

80% is the figure in favour of a 24th month renewal. 96% in favour of at least a 12 month renewal.

In NP's near 25 years in football management it's doubtful he's ever had a more decimated squad to choose from than he has today.

Maybe, 22, fair amount of experience - well, compared to others being mentioned anyway - and as a Cardiff boy perhaps an extra incentive to do well. What positions can he cover and what is thought to be his best position?

Confronted and abused when he took Shrewsbury there as well iirc. Ffs don't do it Cotts.

Fair enough, on the pre appointment threads that have been resurrected you've got a point! It seems I was one of only a few making the argument for Cott's, notably along with @GrahamC's imo very measured and sensible input. While accepting those threads were largely negative I had in mind more the reaction on threads when he had just been appointed, and fans had a chance to judge his character and intent in his first interview on the OS. My memory is many surprised themselves and quickly got on board after watching that interview although there was a core of regular posters who simply didn't like him and wouldn't hear a word in his favour. But, yes, you're right - initial reaction to SC being in the frame were clearly mostly negative and in many cases the comments were plain nasty.

I didn't say it was a snub, but I see it as at the very least remiss not to mention NP at that stage when he'd moved on from talking about leadership behind the scenes. Particularly from a Chairman who surfaces so seldom and says so little. I'm not in favour of any change to the title of the official site btw, but should there be one slbcfc.co.uk is the most likely imo. After all he's told us it's his club, and he can do what he likes, so why not make it official?

Yep, overwhelmingly negative and some quite nasty comments but it was pre appointment rather after than the die is cast, the dust is settled, and a case of what do we think now. Anyway, quite happy with my major contribution to that thread: 'Like so many others I've got real problems with some of the names on the list - huge problems with one or two - but I don't have a particular problem with Cotterill. Certainly see no reason to lambast him so viciously as some on here, or write him off completely like others. What the hell are people expecting? We're near the bottom of div. 3., with a real scrap ahead to stay up. Cotterill seems to have a reputation as a good man manager, who quickly builds a spine to his side and gets them playing with spirit. He will HAVE to fit in with the club's philosophy, so if he turns out to be the choice after interview, that much is understood. He'll show some refreshing passion for the relegation fight ahead - unlike SO'D last season - and this passion we've been so sadly lacking will rub off on the fans.. We shall see, but he'll get my support if appointed, and imo in time could well prove to be a good fit for AG, and a popular figure.'

Strangely tiny threads, but yes, very negative. I was more thinking of the day he was appointed, and particularly after fans had had the chance to see him and hear him speak in his first interview on the official site. I remember that being far more positive.

Not how I remember it. About half a dozen prominent posters (at the time) posted extensively and very negatively simply because they didn't like SC personally, but generally it was a positive reaction. All the more so after seeing his initial interview when many more were won over by his positivity, enthusiasm and determination and quickly saw him as exactly the right man for the job.

The last line deviates from simply behind the scenes leadership though. JL says, 'We are excited about this season and believe this is the right approach for us to be successful.' Why not ' We are excited about this season with manager Nigel Pearson at the helm and believe this is the right approach for us to be successful.' Or 'We are excited by this season and believe this is the right approach for us 'to make further progress under manager Nigel Pearson.' Or even, 'We are excited about this season and believe we now have a great team in the background to help further enhance the very encouraging improvements we have seen on the pitch under Nigel Pearson.' Something? Anything? NP is a part of the leadership after all and really not hard to include him with a supportive mention at the end. If he's going to mention being 'excited about the season' at all - which he didn't have to - it is a very obvious omission to make no reference at all to NP.

Ipswich are on the crest of a wave, as are Cardiff, to a lesser extent, after a 4-0 away win last night. Both teams have bigger squads, fewer injuries, and will be more rested when they face City. We'll need to battle as against Coventry to get much tonight. I've every faith these players, under Nige, will give absolutely everything, but it may not be enough to avoid defeat. Pick up a couple more injuries tonight (who'd bet against it?) and we go to Cardiff under the threat of the sort of tanking SL would feel gave him every excuse. While delighted with the manner of the Coventry win, if NP's future depends on immediate results, I can't be anything but pessimistic atm; however stoic Nige appears about the injury situation it's getting towards being insurmountable and we're 1 or 2 more unavailable in key positions from a potentially disastrous result however hard the patched team up are trying. Fingers crossed tonight then for at least a point, and no more bloody injuries!

The churn of managers in the Championship is not a route we should seek to follow if it's not necessary, such actions not only shows a lack of patience and understanding by boards and fans, but how seldom clubs clubs make the right choice in the first place, or think long term. To SL's great good fortune exactly the right man was available and willing to take on the City challenge, NP being a very experienced successful manager who found Bristol City FC fascinating, and was excited and invigorated by the prospect of using his final years in football management to not only turn the club round but, I'm sure in his view, take City to promotion. He's done everything that could be expected of him, is probably more than half way through executing that plan, and under him we are set on a course to not only be a consistently competitive Championship club but an improving one challenging for the play offs. It's a fantastic turnaround and we, and particularly SL, are very lucky to have him. For SL to risk throwing all this away is plain madness, and when lifelong fans say they will take a break from City if he is forced out,, or even give up altogether, they really are not just saying it = this would be the final straw for many who've sat through numerous nonsensical, deflating and damaging decisions by SL and are not about to be uncomplainingly taken for fools yet again. .

9 out injured then (including Knight & Naismith) from our small squad and at least 5, probably 6, would be starting today and the others either replacing any injured players or on the bench. Under the circumstances we'll do well to get a point today, and a win would be a great achievement.

Thanks for posting this on the main forum. Like many others I suspect I don't read the new offshoot forum, so wouldn't know about it otherwise.

Who cares if a couple of posters say 'he's gone who cares'? Surely these are posters to be ignored, and we just carry on as we are.