Nogbad the Bad

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

That is a good find! Poor reporting? Maybe they would be classed as 2021-22, I dunno even though the ban was handed down in 2022-23, the actual offence was during 2021-22. Good find though, some of the reporting seems suspect.

The point is Bristol Live reported that Rovers have no current banning orders (compared to City's 34)

Yet all those Rovers fans arrested in that one incident against FGR (inexplicably not named in the article btw) should currently be serving bans - at least one of them reportedly for 10 years.

Rovers have had more arrests than City in each of the last 2 seasons for incidents of at least equal seriousness and Bristol Live have previously reported long bans for Rovers fans which would certainly still be active.

Their statement that no Rovers fans are currently serving bans is contrary to their previous reporting and must be a nonsense.

Very odd indeed.

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

10 banning orders from 14 arrests is a very high ratio!

Our neighbours had 15 arrests..and 0 new banning orders yet the offences sound similar on the face of it.

On the face of it City fans are being banned for offences where Rovers fans committing the same - or worse - offences are not.

Offences do sound similar for both clubs but presumably violent disorder - City 0 arrests last season, Rovers 4 arrests - is more serious than public disorder, and Rovers fans (presuming they are convicted) are apparently not facing bans for a more serious offence than City fans are being banned for.

We've got other fans from New Zealand, but particularly notable is another member of OTIB, @kiwicolin, who I believe lives in Bristol and has been a match attending City fan for some considerable time.

11 minutes ago, kiwicolin said:

Casual wear. There is usually 100 plus , depends on how many want to go. 

That's a really good number, for some reason I thought it would be less than half of that.

No wonder they never seem to advertise for new members, they don't need to!

Funny how you can form a mental picture of regular posters through their posts, or sometimes their avatar, and in reality - hardly surprisingly - they could hardly look more different.

Anyway, glad you and your brother had a great time PSR - if that's really you! 

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

I haven't read the article so it might say in there, but I believe he still lives in these parts. My son has seen him out loads of times out and about in town etc. Too often for him just to be visiting.

Yep, he's described as 'Bristol- based Martin', first line of of paragraph 5.

4 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

I was there in the Dolman block nearest the East (Covered) End. Amazing. Against Hull City and their keeper was, I think, Jeff Westland.

Not far off, Wealands.

On the edge of the East End that night, having moved under cover from my usual spot near the back of the open terrace by the enclosure, to get out of the wind and rain.

Good view of the whole event and a mixture of shock and disbelief when the ball went in.

Chants were uncomplicated in those days, often little more than the player's name 'Tommmmmmmmmmmm Rit-chie', 'Super-Cheese,' 'Sir Geoffrey Merrick,' etc. and Cash's usual chant of, 'Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Cash-ley' was belted out like never before, over and over again, and the excited hubbub in the crowd continued for several minutes.

Am I amazed it was 50 years ago? Well, actually no, I was 15 and that is a hell of a long time ago!

2 hours ago, Harry said:

Gary Johnson managed us for longer than Lee. Where’s Gary’s 50-page thread? 
I doubt he’s had more than 50 posts about him in the 13 years since he left. 

A bit of an exaggeration there - I have made many posts myself about GJ, mostly along the lines that the players should have gone, not him.

That's by the by, my point above was there are plenty of other subjects apart from LJ where what could be seen as excessive interest is shown on here.

Case in point is a 96 page thread on top of P1 atm, about the kit suppliers, almost twice the size as this LJ one.

Plus that one isn't being unnecessarily bloated by posters feeling they have to answer accusations of being vitriolic...........

22 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

What's a grauniad? 

On 13/09/2023 at 07:10, Ghost Rider said:

Our obsession with LJ is beyond weird, even for us. 

LJ was a prominent figure at BCFC for a very long time, and remains controversial, and if we are obsessed with him he is simply one part of a wider obsession we would all have to admit to share - Bristol City F.C. -  an obsession that in itself would be seen as weird to those with no interest in City or football.

I like the 'even for us' but I wouldn't see LJ as a particularly weird obsession on OTIB, a platform after all for Bristol City 'fanatics' who mostly have a long term addiction to City, leading to strong opinions on just about every issue that affects the club.

LJ is one subject where we could be seen to take an excessive interest, but really it's par for the course for those so engrossed in the club they feel the need to visit (and comment on) this site most days, and let's face it it's not just LJ, the same charge could be levelled at numerous other threads on here too.

7 hours ago, NickJ said:

With respect, there isn't a subjective definition of vitriol. It means what the English language says it means.

I say he is a blagger, that is my opinion, and again I would ask what word you suggest I use which conveys the same message which isn't (in your opinion) vitriolic.

It seems to me that the LJ defenders have themselves descended to sledging of posters who have expressed perfectly reasonable non vitriolic criticisms.

This is the crux of the matter and is unarguable.

When someone labels someone else's post with a word that is completely over the top, and easily shown to have been inappropriate by the definition of the word, they really should have the good grace to accept they were wrong to use it in the first place, rather than continuing to use the word and insisting they were right to do so.

Good video, looks like the loyal locals really enjoy their matchdays at Scunthorpe.

On 10/09/2023 at 13:31, Harry said:

But, your words were still vitriolic. If you say they weren’t coming from a place of vitriol then I guess we have to accept your word. But they ‘came across’ as vitriolic. 

No, there really was no vitriol whatsoever and you either don't want to reel back from your initial OTT reaction, or you simply don't understand the meaning of the word vitriol, which I doubt.

All rather curious, you exaggerate the sentiment of my post to an extreme and then further hugely exaggerate any negative feelings you feel I have towards LJ personally by insisting I must 'despise' him, all this apparently without me even realising it myself!

My take on this is you are being so defensive towards LJ that you almost appear to be soppy about him, and as you've said you don't rate him much professionally, one can only assume you strongly admire him as a person.

If I was following your earlier line of argument I could say that you come over as besotted with LJ, and, if you can't see that - to slightly amend your earlier phrase - 'you're so far down the adore LJ rabbit hole that there's little hope for you to ever realise it.'

Of course I could be completely wrong to draw these conclusions, but no more wrong than you were when posting your bizarre over reactions to my posts.

14 hours ago, Harry said:

If you can’t see the vitriol in what you wrote then I think you’re too far down the ‘Despise LJ’ rabbit hole that there’s little hope for you to ever realise it. 

Nope, there's no vitriol in my post, and contrary to your assertion that you know my mind better than I do myself I have never 'despised' LJ either as a player or manager.

24 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I know it’s international break - but am I the only one completely bored to shit by all this LJ bollocks?!

Listen: you either hate or you don’t hate him - save your energy trying to persuade your opposite who is NEVER going to change their opinion - regardless of how you paint the past or any future success or failures.
 

Very boring, even by this forums standard, going round in circles year after year - LJ is living rent free in too many heads 

Most threads will be boring to some but if you find LJ chat so pointless there's a big clue in the title of the thread to help you to avoid it.

1 hour ago, Harry said:

I don’t think he’s all that myself. I’m just trying to calm the vitriol. I made a very reasoned post about why he doesn’t have a promotion on his CV. It’s a criticism levelled at him which is unfair. 
Yes, please go ahead and happily say that he spent a lot of money for us, that he has ‘player relations’ problems, speaks in riddles etc, that’s all fine. But to criticise someone for not having a promotion in 5 jobs, where 1 was impossible, 2 were unachievable, 1 was very close and the other showing steady improvement, is a criticism that is unwarranted. 

In which case you're spending an awful lot of time & effort writing posts in support of a coach you apparently don't rate highly.

You're also seeing reasonable points as 'vitriol', and using throwaway comments to dismiss them. This suggests you do rate him in so much as you are continually moved to write posts countering criticisms of him; in fact you seem about the keenest here to argue in his favour.

If you're now saying you don't think much of him yourself then why have you bothered, unless you've got an inordinate amount of time on your hands and relish an argument?

11 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Maybe so, but LJ's now been 'sacked for poor performance' 3 times in as many years and that must say something surely.

As he keeps on getting another position the only conclusion must be is he's outstandingly persuasive at interviews, but unfortunately it all seems to go downhill from there.

You'd think those interviewing LJ would have noticed this but football boards can become desperate, especially when choices 1 & 2 have apparently turned them down, and perhaps with very few viable candidates left Fleetwood will cling to the hope that surely he will actually be successful somewhere at some stage.

LJ's managed some big clubs so despite his lack of success he'll be seen as quite a big name for Fleetwood you'd imagine.

 

10 hours ago, Harry said:

Blimey. Would you like a glass of water to help wash down that vitriol. 
 

Bit dismissive Harry, where is this vitriol?

- that I mention LJ's 3 sackings in 3 years?

-  that he is reportedly 3rd choice for Fleetwood after Robinson & Wild?

- that LJ seems remarkably persuasive at interview but his record of bringing success afterwards is not good and it's surprising if potential employers haven't noticed this?

All seems perfectly reasonable (and non-vitriolic) to me!

Having dismissed my post with a a 5 second response (that's sufficient to get a number of 'likes' apparently) perhaps you'd like to explain why you view the points raised above as vitriolic because I don't see it.

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Especially in football management, where every candidate for every job will have at some point been sacked for poor performance. 

Maybe so, but LJ's now been 'sacked for poor performance' 3 times in as many years and that must say something surely.

As he keeps on getting another position the only conclusion must be is he's outstandingly persuasive at interviews, but unfortunately it all seems to go downhill from there.

You'd think those interviewing LJ would have noticed this but football boards can become desperate, especially when choices 1 & 2 have apparently turned them down, and perhaps with very few viable candidates left Fleetwood will cling to the hope that surely he will actually be successful somewhere at some stage.

LJ's managed some big clubs so despite his lack of success he'll be seen as quite a big name for Fleetwood you'd imagine.

35 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

So LJ is to be named Fleetwood manager. Don't like to say I told you so but I knew he'd be back in management soon. Might have been second choice but apparently again impressed on interview. As I said earlier in this thread he might not be able to walk the walk but he can definitely talk the talk. 

3rd choice after Robinson and Wild apparently.

4 hours ago, JAWS said:

No promotions either in over 10 years! Can't think of many managers who have not managed a promotion in such a period but are still in a job? 

True, having got as far as getting an interview if LJ has persuaded Fleetwood to appoint him it will be his 6th managerial position in 10 years, with frankly very little to show for it, and now 3 consecutive sackings.

Though he evidently shines at interviews he can no longer claim to be particularly young, or indeed innovative, and you'd imagine the time is nearing when his long record of non achievement becomes more of an issue for him to explain.

Having said that, as long as he doesn't piss off the players and fans too much it's quite possible he'll do an ok job for Fleetwood in L1, which many of us have believed all along is probably his top level.

Barrow's Pete Wild was favourite for the Fleetwood job, looks like he may have turned them down if LJ now in the picture.

3 hours ago, Dolman Queen said:

and it's becoming increasingly apparent that Nigel is unlikely to receive or may not even desire a new contract.

There was a radio interview a little while back when Nigel commented re a new contract something like this:

"the club may or may not offer me a contract and I may or may not accept it if it was offered" which led me to think that he may have already told the club he wouldn't re-sign.  That would be very disappointing from my perspective.

 

DQ

I don't see that comment indicating he may have already told the club he wouldn't re-sign.

More that with all his experience in football management he's learnt never to take anything for granted and the board (SL) shouldn't assume anything either.

My view is that Nige is (generally) really enjoying the challenge here and fully intends to see the job through by signing another contract, and if that doesn't happen it will be because SL has cocked up, one way or another.

Only lacking not having the City fans in the background, especially when we score, otherwise excellent.

I guess they're teenagers and most of us might now admit to dressing up and looking a bit ridiculous going to City matches with our mates in our youth.

In those days it was long hair, denim jacket and silk scarves tied round the wrists for me, and skinhead cuts with white butchers coats for many others  - no doubt 1 or 2 of them on here who would think of themselves as respectable pensioners now.

This lot look like they were just having a laugh posing for a photo and no doubt changed out of that stuff long before they got to the ground - in the 70's we didn't!