Mr Popodopolous

Some Birmingham fans are talking about revenue of £40-50m even in League One?? Someone square this circle. Okay you can 'gift' income potentially under SCMP but it will hinder you as soon as you return to the Championship.

Could be out here but surely a return to Bristol as a team, a final day in the Monday or Sunday if they prefer. End of Season debrief, fitness and diet, nutrition etc plans is the way to go Plus obviously parameters laid for ongoing negotiations such as James, Williams, Conway contractually. All leaving post the last game and going their separate ways seems a bit incomplete to me.

Got a loose starting point for a formula here as it stands now. Parachute Payments minus Solidarity Payments=Well it depends but freshly relegated it's £35-45m. You lop that off the FFP calculations and then the club can either make that up by March or take a points deduction based on the Forecast Overspend with that excess excluded. Either would improve the competitiveness of the League. By way of example, your 3 Year Loss Limit to the first season down is £83m plus Allowables. You are forecast to have £20m in headroom with all revenue counted in full so £63m. Remove that, you have a shortfall of £15-25m to make up by March. 12 point deduction in the Spring if you can't, more sales, offloads and restraint if you can. This £63m and £20m within becomes £98-108m and therefore will restrain a club, present and future monitoring would need to come into play too. Perhaps even 15 points if losses rise as Birmingham got plus 3. The Premier League points deductions are improving but too soft so far, they need a formula with no notable Upper points cut off. I liked the sound of the 6 points as a starting point then 1 point per £5m. I've got 2 or 3 different plausible figures for the Leicester current position.

In fairness they should have one of the highest incomes in the division so they should perhaps come straight back up, especially with Derby, and before that Sheffield Wednesday, now Portsmouth and who knows maybe Bolton playoffs still mean it is pending. Of course it isn't always so simple, see Reading and Wigan..can be a slog that League, depending on how well you are run too but the gap especially financially can be large.

This is interesting, albeit Leicester may have breached FFP in the process..EFL wanted them to have to cut in January or face Sanctions this season. We had FFP for a while and we couldn't really turn down. The loophole there was that they were a relegated club and the PL and EFL begin the process at different stages, a regular Championship club may lack that and clubs in the future may also. I digress, Ipswich well I look at their squad and there are not many stellar players, good sure but as you say not stellar. Maybe Leif Davis? Luongo, Morsy, Broadhead, Burns, Chaplin, Hirst- none of these on paper are outstanding, they are players at this level individually with certain ages in some cases, certain levels of achievement in others but nothing amazing etc. This isn't me being churlish at all, but they have decent players, some of whom in and around peak years but they have outperformed their baseline, Sum >> Parts.

What about.. Parachute Payments plus Solidarity Payments into a pot. Along with EFL TV money Then you pool all 3 and split flatly by the current divisional weightings. This at a stroke removes the TV chasm between Parachute and Solidarity, reduces the cliff edge between PL and Championship. There are probably some flaws to it but it feels a better solution than the current scenario, it would he in conjunction with wage reductions on relegation etc.

Certainly seems that way RS. Part of me wonders if there is a petty streak, again I don't include Manning but those above "Ooh let us remove reminders of Pearson, no coaching deal for King, no new deal for James is a likely path". Let's hope we are proven wrong on this, I'm sure we and many others would like to be.

Bellingham was 15% of Profit, which equates to £9-9.5m. Seen contradictory suggestions but one was that Birmingham also get that % of the add-ons as and when they fall due. That still isn't revenue under P&S however, it bolsters position without a doubt.

Commercial, Broadcasting and Matchday Receipts seem to be relevant categories. Presumably the Segmented loss in q isn't e.g. the Operating Loss but the Loss verbatim..is in HK$.

To expand on my point elsewhere, Birmingham and their highest non Parachute Income is curious. We made £36m or so in 2022-23, Sunderland around £35m- Birmingham were £19-20m in 2022-23. Even putting aside their odd spike in Commercial Revenue with the January deal, which like all RPTs is subject to Fair Value analysis, a rise in income surpassing clubs with a £30m or above income bracket seems difficult to fathom in one year- let alone balancing it with P&S Fair Value Rules. There was a 6 month rise and it also showed them losing money in the 6 months to end of December 2023 which is surprising. There was a rise but not a mega one year on year in the 6 months.

We were quite flat in general in the first of those, in both to varying levels but in the first Dickie definitely was sent off for 2 bookings, like you would need to check back.

Their losses from the last 2 seasons will overhang and I doubt they have budgeted for a bit to the TV money alone. -£25m in 2022-23, something this season. I do take your point, they should do well but League One has financial rules too- it's a bit complex moving between the divisions however. I've sought to extrapolate from their 6 month accounts at the HKSE and new sponsorship, firing Eustace, hiring Rooney, firing Rooney, hiring Mowbray is bound to cost. Rjeu appear to have lost money despite and including a rise in income and the Bellingham sell on in 6 months to December 31 2023. Emergency interim for Rowett also.

I'm thinking it definitely plays a role, the greater number of identikit grounds. Yet there are tough away games, plenty but in any given day more than as a whole bar a few clubs at the level. On a side note, it could be counterintuitive or even plain wrong but 10-15 years ago say we had struck when the iron was hot in the GJ era. As an average it would have been tougher and more hostile for away sides especially pampered PL- East End albeit modernised, less gentrified, the stadium itself was s bit smaller and tighter- looked older. Even if less revenue streams, I think Ashton Gate in the rain, or wind and rain swirling with rain in mid winter back then- vs sides who are big therefore you relish taking down a peg, up for it would've been trickier than some of them would think. I recall e.g. v Barnsley in that year chanting of Where's your caravan at the Atyeo end probably East End too at keeper with long hair..I expect that sort of thing even then would have come as a bit of a culture shock to some of the big boys.

During that era we had some competent individuals- we did. We had a questionable manager, hierarchy and ability to blend them together. I do think NP would pushed on the squad between say 2017-2020 than Lee Johnson did. In the League certainly. Man management and fitness at times were also suspect, talking in general not just some individuals.

Feel free, all 24 Home records and multiple seasons back there. https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england2 Think Home Advantage generally has frayed, or at this level anyway. It is a strange League, less vigorous home support due to changes in demographic of fans, regulations is one factor. More tactical gameplans, it is difficult to pinpoint a sole factor. Counterattacking gameplay another factor. Divisional average of Home Wins 45% is rather low as a whole IMO! Lower than I thought it might be.

Given our penalty v Huddersfield was deemed an error and Chris Foy deemed Conway to have dived v Rotherham, swings and roundabouts or not? Barrot was the referee, a linesman call offside isn't it? I don't agree with the latter the dive but Chris Foy wrongly labelled it such and certainly stated it wasn't a penalty.

Decision not to back NP, or show a pathway to bring backed and provide with a new contract combined with the nest egg comments did it for me. We can but hope that the opportunity to build on a solid base is taken this summer, to salvage it as best we can. I'm hoping.. *New contact for James *New contract for Williams *New contract for Conway or at worst wait and go to Tribunal. *Twine or other 10 and striker. *Keep anyone else who is key, stand firm. Plus without going nuts if we can get depth to improve the position a bit, we go for it. Still think a 4th CB but then I'm pro 4-3-3 so maybe I'm out of touch.

7th best Home Record tbh. Albeit a big gap to 6th and above. I don't think the Home Fortresses at this level for a lot of sides are what they were 15 years ago, let alone longer. When I have time I'll go through Average PPG at the level for Home sides and Win Ratio. 25 pts from 23 League away games, notably 15 from 16 under Manning looks a bigger concern ironically on some levels. 3 wins in those 16 Away games...3 in 7 under NP, despite those under NP including trips to Leeds and Leicester.

Our joint biggest loss iirc since 6-2 at Fulham in Janaury 2022? Correct me if wrong. Obviously we lost 3-0 at the other BCFC last year and Man City won 3-0 at AG last year but weighted towards the opposition today was terrible.

I agree incredible but everything went right broadly speaking. I agree but unsure how many times they would pull it off...the injuries or lack of, some hitherto unremarkable individuals at this level as a number did their squad surging as they did with 3 Relegated bolstered by Parachute Payments major clubs for the level.

Is that the norm, just out of interest. Should IMO minimum be a post season debrief on the Monday following and then Holidays, fitness plans and Schedules etc although I assume that would already be in play.

Apologies for the source but sounds like their fans took it well.. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/27734173/birmingham-relegated-fans-invade-pitch-stewards-clash/

Genuinely 1 in 20 I reckon. Retaining momentum is of course very important and we very much botched that among other things!

I had some cautious optimism had certain provisos been met. I would perhaps have been alright with 11th although was hoping for a top 10 finish/push. *A happy NP. *Scott retained, with a better squad and better structured squad around him or.. *..A reasonable chunk of Scott money reinvested. *A tactical framework, we had settled on 4-3-3 or some variation of and were steadily building on the counter attacking base in the last chunk of 2022-23.

Our Away record has worsened.