Mr Popodopolous

Didn't in 1962 with Accrington- more enlightened times now? IF bona fide, worth one more crack I think.

The only surefire way to solve it- and I mean surefire- is to ensure clubs cannot make a loss of any kind, save for infrastructure investments that can't be clawed back by a chairman whose interest wanes. Break Even save for infrastructure etc or NO license. Problem is, who would vote for that? @Super That's really spookily similar to Accrington 1962 if accurate, having done a bit of reading into that- Football League didn't do the right thing in 1962 with that potential offer... Back to now, this might be the story I linked earlier developing I think. Hope somehow it will work for Bury!

Must be the loyal (Translation: Fickle) and many few 100,000 locked out they keep going on about!

Was from a few days ago I think. He's one of many owners, past and present who should never be allowed or have been allowed near a football club. Excellent piece, seems to either be quoting or by Andy Holt. https://www.burytimes.co.uk/sport/17856447.accrington-owner-andy-holt-calls-efl-wake-problems/ Also struck me reading comments beneath- £440 per hour for administrators?

Potential echos of history though. The article I posted contains the line: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2369959/Scouse-lads-aim-to-bring-glory-days-back-to-Accrington.html An old article I found but similarities in line/concept...of course this situation a lot less certainty. Some potential real, shit governance, similarities here. Sure, the 2 situations and eras are different...but the League have form here! First line of first article note, EFL have indeed confirmed no right of appeal. Of course I agree that the EFL cannot extend indefinitely but this way feels like it wasn't the only one, there was surely a better way? For Accrington, arguably though read Bury. For Harvey and (though not perhaps fully her fault) Jevans, read Lord and Hardaker.

Well yeah, this is it, nothing to comeback with. They really are out of tools- except for posters such as GGMi who is in fact a tool.

Wondered what happened to "Gas Go Marching in" Banned is it? Still at least we let REASONABLE fans from your club post on here unlike your site- if you're reading this. You clearly are/were not. Now off you ****- oh wait you're gone already.

Apologies for the source but couldn't find it elsewhere but here or Irish equivalent. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9810301/bury-efl-hope-deal-expelled-latest/ SJ Global International basically said the EFL misunderstood preparations to transfer funds to purchase the club by 9am this morning??

Indeed, I believe Barrow are another still at original ground and in original form. Some clubs can survive it, but I fear for Bury- at least in their current form. Don't know if Gigg Lane can be made an asset of community value or if that's gone- read something about complex property deals and Malta and British Virgin Islands so it sounds bleak. In general terms. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/premier-league-epl-efl-league-one-two-championship-miguel-delaney-a8926126.html Bleak picture, from end of season.

Most clubs already do this- 40-50% is about the most you can get away with realistically I'd say. To implement £1 of wage drop for £1 of TV drop would be a nice equivalence but we're talking 90% and more here! Stoke obviously haven't done the 40-50% wage drop for all but it's worth looking at just how big the TV revenue gap for a typical Championship and PL club is- nobody would sign for a club if told that you'd have a wage cut of 90% in the event of the drop! Would it even be enforceable, what would the PFA say etc? One thing that parachute payments should be though is conditional, on proper sales, wage cuts, if necessary to pay players but not pay them eg high earners- keeps a club relatively financially stable but the club don't benefit on the pitch, make certain players ineligible in the League maybe.

Different structure and times maybe, and it probably wouldn't do them much good in the long run but it is worth noting that clubs voted out of Football League during days of re-election didn't necessarily fold immediately. Hell even Accrington managed to struggle on for 4 seasons before eventually it went in 1966. Some who withdrew in League early days are still in existence as original clubs- but those circs and times were different, probably won't be applicable here. Phoenix club I am sure would be on the agenda when/if the current one cease to exist.

Didn't realise myself either- would have assumed they have a reasonable wage policy, parachute payments, surely wrote in wage reductions a club of their size/relative expectations! All seems a bit of a puzzle... Solvency wise, unsure about Stoke facing problems- Coates owner of Bet365 and from Stoke, pretty sure he is a Stoke fan too and has been chairman through worse times- FFP wise 100% problems. Yes some poor decisions last few seasons but he seems one of the best owners around overall IMO- for as long as the Coates family retain an interest (financial and actual) in Stoke, I don't see them having insolvency issues. Agree on the crazy wages , clearly a gamble to go straight back up? Will look into that article later, sounds interesting- I remember reading that Allen didn't get a cut, wasn't aware of anyone else. Would help to explain some of their current travails, seen Stoke described as 'toxic' right now quite a few times and this is probably a large part of the reason why?

I had a pretty bad feeling looking from the outside about their new owner who brought them this summer, once Hoyle sold up- due to ill health or whatever.

Always assumed Anderson left in the summer, but you could well be right. I remember in fact two 1-1 draws with them, one in March 1999 on a night game and the aforementioned August 1999 one. I also remember "Boring Boring Bury!" rang around the ground at varied intervals. Agreed- would've been inconceivable. Agreed- think it's a number of factors too- disaster capitalism, upward flow of cash to PL, allowing any old idiot/asset stripper/fantasist to buy a club subject to a very straight forward "Test". Not that it was even in his interest of course given what we know about his past, but did Dale even have the cash available to him to pay off debt had he been so inclined? Doubt it! EFL considered him fit and proper though...need a serious inquiry into EFL. I fear it could be Bolton and then a domino effect with a number of clubs who are close to the line- hope I am wholly wrong.

A rewind to how we got here? Probably more complex but part of it anyway- a useful starting point from last December. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/dec/13/bury-new-owner-steve-dale-financial-misery-historic-club

Worst thing is, well it's worst for Bury right now and followed by Bolton of course. However a significantly bad factor- I think and fear it maybe the tip of the icerberg- got a bad feeling that in the medium term we may see quite a few more in the Lower Leagues on this path- be it poor ownership, lack of cash, whatever.

We know decent chunks if not all of this already but laid out like this., it's an epic fail of Governance over a sustained period of time!

20 years ago in August- and on this date in fact having looked it up we played Bury. Remember it vaguely as it was my first full season but Bristol City 1-1 Bury, 28th August 1999. Pulis v Warnock. That Bury statement I fear could have been a harbinger- they put out a statement coming up to 5pm about CCTV, not entering the ground without permission- already posted about it but I wonder... Who owns Gigg Lane?

Sad, sad day. Don't ask me why but given his laisse faire/useless approach to governance I have a slight suspicion that Shaun Harvey would have let Bury start the season and after that who knows- may have unravelled really quickly but it's a suspicion that I can't fully shake. 12 hours ago it looked all good- the fans were there including Bolton fan helping to clean the ground- that guy in his 70s was there, the one who was turning up to the ground each day. Dark day for English football, first such situation like this since "the modern era" began- sad times. Wise words from JL.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/bury-bolton-wanderers-takeover-neglect-nothing-short-national-tragedy-a9081111.html Depressing reading...

The "tick tock tick tock" in the post that preceded it similar.

It's not so bad on a computer but on a phone etc.. Sure. Incredible- the headline speaks volumes, even considering the track record of the EFL! It reads like a spoof article ie the Spoof.com or similar and considering the date it may as well be but you can't make up that stuff!

Sometimes stewards might try to watch a bit of the game. Those 2 given the venue and the standard of the 'football' on offer though clearly have more sense- probably volunteered...

Absolutely. This just about sums it up- when I first read it I thought 'it can't be true!' https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/port-vale-oyston-smurthwaite-blackpool-2708138 Yet he was in a Plan B as Bury's saviour. Though his Plan B sounded suspiciously like realising the value of Gigg Lane when he explained it today...

Tbh they're the only one so far as I can see posting in that tone but there were bound to be a few, given the threat of relegation is ever present for them...