A Horse With No Name Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 thats ridiculous, it's not the polices fault that the coach was late! If they'd allowed people off that coach, then they probably would have missed the game because an escort like yesterdays needs to be planned and can't just happen whenever. I'm sorry for RIAZ but still its just unfortunate.. The coach that Riaz was on may well have been one of the last to arrive at the services, but I know for a fact that it was there before 12.45, which was the time other coaches were told to be boarded. The fact that it was last to arrive meant that it would have been in the last wave of coaches to be escorted to the ground. This group did not leave the services until around 1.30 ish so there would have been bags of time to be allowed off for a quick comfort break if the police had any compassion. Having said that, this was my first bubble trip and I have say quite simply. IT WORKED. There was not a hint of trouble before or after the game, and after all, that is what the majority of law abiding city fans wanted , and certainly what the two clubs and the police wanted. Anybody who wanted to get plastered, had plenty of opportunity to do so either before boarding the coach, or inside the ground, or indeed upon returning to Bristol. Having witnessed a bubble for the first time, I can only say that it was a success, and must be the norm for very high risk matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockin-robin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Own up then. Who was it that tried to bring the flares in? And I don't mean the trouser variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Lad Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 If you look farther up this thread you will see stories of coin throwing. Previous trips to Tinnion park have included bottles of man water being thrown. Call them bubble matches or high risk there is a very real threat of violence and disorder at these games. These are far from law abiding citizens. And they make sure that everyone is tarred with the same brush. If the plod behaved with a certain restraint then good for them. I was talking with a mate about this last night. There are some that are not law abiding to say the least, but must we really all be tarnished with the same brush? Must we really have our freedom of movement taken away from us in order to watch our team play? Must we really have to be treated like criminals by the police (not being able to get of a coach to go the toilet) for travelling to see our team? Yes there is no doubt that some restrictions must be in place, because no doubt there is a real threat of dissorder when we play Cardiff, but there is no need to not be able to go the toilet in, a proper toilet like anoyone else. I have no problem with the police, they have a hard job to do and just like any other group, the majourity of them are brilliant at their job. 99% of them are top, I had a conversation with one of them away to Sheffield last year and he was a top bloke. This isnt about the police for me, its just about football fans being treated poorly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pepsi&shirley Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 How about city taking coaches with toilets on them.. Not difficult really is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockin-robin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 I'm strongly opposed to these "bubble" trips, however just out interest, Who believes that if these "bubble" trips were stopped and people were allowed to travel on their own accord, there would be no violence whatsoever and that no one would get hurt as a result? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wheres your caravan?? Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Own up then. Who was it that tried to bring the flares in? And I don't mean the trouser variety. haha that would have been awesome if they had gotten in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 must we really all be tarnished with the same brush? Must we really have our freedom of movement taken away from us in order to watch our team play? Must we really have to be treated like criminals by the police (not being able to get of a coach to go the toilet) for travelling to see our team? Presently and unfortionatly, yes. Due to the Millwalls and Crapdiffs of this world, over anxious boardrooms who don't see the times we share pubs outside the ground and over a pint just talk about football and those who for one reason or another see the police as their own enemy. And anyone who thinks it would be 'awesome' to take flares into a high risk game and set them off. There are more arrests for drunken behaviour at horse racing. And chase the egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 How about city taking coaches with toilets on them.. Not difficult really is it? Every coach i saw had toilets on them, but with 'thirsty' football fans on them they were full up by the time they reached the services. You'll have to find another tenuous reason to have a go at our wonderful club Peski Shirtlifter. Steve Phillips. Bristol City's greatest export!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 You'll have to find another tenuous reason to have a go at our wonderful club Peski Shirtlifter. FREDERICK! Be nicer to the pikey. It's the thirsty fan business. If you are going to sink three pints then get on a coach with no bogs for an hour then you are going to have problems. And its not the fault of John Q Law if you forget that beer = wee wee is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 FREDERICK! Be nicer to the pikey. It's the thirsty fan business. If you are going to sink three pints then get on a coach with no bogs for an hour then you are going to have problems. And its not the fault of John Q Law if you forget that beer = wee wee is it? My mum always told me not to mock the afflicted or i won't go to heaven. I'll take the gamble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 There are more arrests for drunken behaviour at horse racing. And chase the egg. I was at Bristol v Harlequins 'chase the egg' last season and I didn't see one copper all day. I was merrily drinking away on the Centenary Terrace from 2 pint plastic containers all afternoon as well. I'm the same Goblin at BCFC games as at Bristol rugby games but I stand a 1,000% more chance of arrest at football than rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 I was at Bristol v Harlequins 'chase the egg' last season and I didn't see one copper all day. I was merrily drinking away on the Centenary Terrace from 2 pint plastic containers all afternoon as well. I'm the same Goblin at BCFC games as at Bristol rugby games but I stand a 1,000% more chance of arrest at football than rugby. Yes but you have history to blame for that. until the cops realise that we are no longer hooligans, and they must stop making money off our backs, it will continue to be a good source of overtime for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pepsi&shirley Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Every coach i saw had toilets on them, but with 'thirsty' football fans on them they were full up by the time they reached the services. You'll have to find another tenuous reason to have a go at our wonderful club Peski Shirtlifter. Steve Phillips. Bristol City's greatest export!!! Was not havin a pop dead fred was just commenting on what i thought to be correct after reading the thread.. Thought it was a fair comment tbh. What did you do fred seeing that you wouldnt be able to tie a knot in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Yes but you have history to blame for that. until the cops realise that we are no longer hooligans, and they must stop making money off our backs, it will continue to be a good source of overtime for them. I've seen rugby players kicking and punching the crap out of each other. If that happened at football between the players or supporters there'd be arrests, then fines and prison sentences pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 Every coach i saw had toilets on them, Ours didnt have a toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deej-Legend Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 nor did ours. luckily, no one had an 'accident' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 So, it would seem, from some of the replies, that: - the police should be unchallenged in their insistence that the over whelming majority of law abiding fans who do not wish to be herded around like animals are penalised - the toiletless coaches should leave at 11.15, stop almost 2 hours later at services, but the occupants (certainly in the case of Riaz coach which was last to arrive, and in the case of mine last year) not allowed to disembark - the coaches should arrive at the ground an hour and a half before kick off, with nothing to entertain the fans other than one shabby kiosk with 4 people serving 1,000 fans crap beer in cans at rip off prices and crap snacks Sorry but if the police think that this was a successful operation - and I fully understand their duty to consider the likelihood of trouble at the game and the possibility of innocent people becoming involved, - I do not agree. It would be perfectly possible, given the numbers of police on duty, for a more acceptable compromise position to be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 So, it would seem, from some of the replies, that: - the police should be unchallenged in their insistence that the over whelming majority of law abiding fans who do not wish to be herded around like animals are penalised - the toiletless coaches should leave at 11.15, stop almost 2 hours later at services, but the occupants (certainly in the case of Riaz coach which was last to arrive, and in the case of mine last year) not allowed to disembark - the coaches should arrive at the ground an hour and a half before kick off, with nothing to entertain the fans other than one shabby kiosk with 4 people serving 1,000 fans crap beer in cans at rip off prices and crap snacks Sorry but if the police think that this was a successful operation - and I fully understand their duty to consider the likelihood of trouble at the game and the possibility of innocent people becoming involved, - I do not agree. It would be perfectly possible, given the numbers of police on duty, for a more acceptable compromise position to be reached. The Police responsible for organising this shambles should be sacked. To keep our supporters on coaches without toilet facilities - and not let them disembark to the services' bogs - was inhumane. It's about time our Police became more accountable to us as the general public that pay their inflated salaries. To resolve this sorry affair - compensation for RIAZ and the sack for the Police that organised this fiasco is the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau45 Posted September 14, 2008 Report Share Posted September 14, 2008 I'm strongly opposed to these "bubble" trips, however just out interest, Who believes that if these "bubble" trips were stopped and people were allowed to travel on their own accord, there would be no violence whatsoever and that no one would get hurt as a result? Just wondering. I don't think i would go if it wasnt a bubble, unless i had a big strong man to look after me, just my opinion like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Considering that at quarter past 5 there were still hundreds of Cardiff hanging about behind the further away line of police as we walked out, when they could have just toddled off home. God knows what they were trying to prove because they couldnt have got at us. I wouldnt like to have walked out if the police hadnt been there. And its nice to see the fathers are bringing their kids up so well, 4 and 5 year old children making throat slitting gestures as well as others when the coaches passed them is a really lovely way to bring up your son or daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 nor did ours. luckily, no one had an 'accident' I was lucky - I had a empty bottle of fanta.... what if i hadnt?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I thought the police were brilliant, I even had a laught with a few of them. Loads of funny banter, a lot of ''come on thens'' and the only real thing that happened was the coins at the end, but even then the net stopped or took the sting out of most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_b Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yes but you have history to blame for that. until the cops realise that we are no longer hooligans, and they must stop making money off our backs, it will continue to be a good source of overtime for them. I may be reading it wrong but do you honestly believe that the police could be taken away from football overnight and it'd be fine? That's utter rubbish. There are thugs (plain and simple) that support our club who regularly go away to game, wind up the opposition before/during/after the game and then decide to cause mindless damage etc whilst they try and run at opposition fans before getting back onto a train home. The simple fact that people still do get drunk and try to start fights (or even do get involved in fights) at football means they'll continue to police it for ever. You have opposition fans sitting/standing next to each other at rugby etc and that is without problem and they can drink more than whilst watching football. You only have to witness the behaviour of the our lot on trains etc coming back from away games (i.e. drunken idiots, robbing food/drinks from buffet cars, throwing drinks around at each other, pissing off other passengers then having a go if asked to calm down by saying they're "only having a laugh" to realise that there are individuals within football support which mean you'll never, ever be allowed to have full access to alcohol at games or be allowed to make your own arrangements. Bristol v Bath in the rugby last weekend and I'm not 100% sure but I haven't heard of a single drunken incident or individual causing trouble. Can you say the same about City v Rovers etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Ours didnt have a toilet. Ours did, and we had an wannabee hero, who were a wee bit micked, ok, very micked, the naughty wee scamp, and demanded to git off the coach for a piss, as we were leavin the services,but but got told no. Whats really funny, is that for some reason he had his phone stuck to his ear, whilst not using it, the whole time this is going on!! Farkin wierd!! His village is still lookin for him, methinks. Anyways, the driver told him the door was open, numpty said it werent, and driver says you owe me a tenner if it opens, numpty says ok, driver opens door, and numpty, fair play to um pays the driver up... Quality that was! For some reason they was all asleep on the way back. made my trip anyways As it goes the Dai Bach plod were more helpful, and polite than the plod round Ashton Gate. you could even speak to um, unlike A & S plod. Fair play. they did a good job of keeping the #######s apart eh? and the ickle Welsh kids no more than 10 hurling their heart felt abuse at City fans. Woossat all about then? And no, they don't wish they were Enger-lish. Try a new tune eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 The Police responsible for organising this shambles should be sacked. To keep our supporters on coaches without toilet facilities - and not let them disembark to the services' bogs - was inhumane. It's about time our Police became more accountable to us as the general public that pay their inflated salaries. To resolve this sorry affair - compensation for RIAZ and the sack for the Police that organised this fiasco is the way forward. Give it a drink Goblin. you know damn well we couldn't organize this game any other way without violence, this anti Police crap of yours is tedious now.. how about sacking anyone who causes trouble at any games? Then the plod may be able to relax things. Besides you could always drink less on the coaches anyway, or use a coke bottle, if you cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Give it a drink Goblin. you know damn well we couldn't organize this game any other way without violence, this anti Police crap of yours is tedious now.. how about sacking anyone who causes trouble at any games? Then the plod may be able to relax things. Besides you could always drink less on the coaches anyway, or use a coke bottle, if you cant This leads me to wonder, do the Police wee in their helmets in the back of their Police vans? :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Give it a drink Goblin. you know damn well we couldn't organize this game any other way without violence, this anti Police crap of yours is tedious now.. how about sacking anyone who causes trouble at any games? Then the plod may be able to relax things. Besides you could always drink less on the coaches anyway, or use a coke bottle, if you cant I for one do not agree that the obligatory bubble system is the only answer. That's not anti police, far from it. It's making the point that the police solution penalises the overwhelming majority who do not wish to travel in this way. Other solutions are possible, if the police could be bothered to discuss them with fans groups rather than dictating something which is err, a cop out. What is it coming to if we have to accept a solution which penalises the majority because of the actions of a minority? You're advocating piss in a coke bottle because the police wont allow you disembark at services that they insist you stop at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DR DICKNOSE Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 Give it a drink Goblin. you know damn well we couldn't organize this game any other way without violence, this anti Police crap of yours is tedious now.. how about sacking anyone who causes trouble at any games? Then the plod may be able to relax things. Besides you could always drink less on the coaches anyway, or use a coke bottle, if you cant last time i went to ninian park was about 5/6 seasons ago when the legend aka scott murray got a double&we won 3-1, however it was the most intense place ive ever been by a mile,was glad to get home in 1 piece! constant barrage of coins,bottles of piss,stones,cheeseburgers!! basically anything that could be lobbed(this was not just the cardiff lot.) never been to a game where you have to keep 1 eye on the game&1 eye on whats being lobbed at you,however was a cracking day out&although the atmosphere was pretty evil at times there was something about it that made you even prouder to be a city fan,that was until some sheepsh****** t*** decided to lob a metal toilet roll dispenser over the away end wall when we were all trying to get out at the end,causing my mate a nasty head wound.! i wont go any more with the bubble thing but i can see why its there,can see some innocent kid/person getting badly hurt if it wasnt in place.. CMON YOU REDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 last time i went to ninian park was about 5/6 seasons ago when the legend aka scott murray got a double&we won 3-1, however it was the most intense place ive ever been by a mile,was glad to get home in 1 piece! constant barrage of coins,bottles of piss,stones,cheeseburgers!! basically anything that could be lobbed(this was not just the cardiff lot.) never been to a game where you have to keep 1 eye on the game&1 eye on whats being lobbed at you,however was a cracking day out&although the atmosphere was pretty evil at times there was something about it that made you even prouder to be a city fan,that was until some sheepsh****** t*** decided to lob a metal toilet roll dispenser over the away end wall when we were all trying to get out at the end,causing my mate a nasty head wound.! i wont go any more with the bubble thing but i can see why its there,can see some innocent kid/person getting badly hurt if it wasnt in place.. CMON YOU REDS looks like the bubble trip worked well for your mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 15, 2008 Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I for one do not agree that the obligatory bubble system is the only answer. That's not anti police, far from it. It's making the point that the police solution penalises the overwhelming majority who do not wish to travel in this way. Other solutions are possible, if the police could be bothered to discuss them with fans groups rather than dictating something which is err, a cop out. What is it coming to if we have to accept a solution which penalises the majority because of the actions of a minority? You're advocating piss in a coke bottle because the police wont allow you disembark at services that they insist you stop at? I've been totting up my fines for petty offences - and it comes to a lot of money. The last fine was for £60 a few months back issued to me by the Heddlu Police for being a few mph over a given speed limit on the Monmouth to Redbrook Road. Blasted Heddlu Police speed tax van with cameras focused on the brow of the hill on a bend. Yes, I'm unashamedly anti-Police speed tax camera and anti-Police corruption at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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