bh_red Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/wdp/sport/L...il/article.html Be good too see what happens, if anything following these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 If you don't buy the tickets the chairmen will try to change things. The guys in power listen when their revenue dries up, not before. But i don't wish to be cynical and i'm sure SL was against the bubble trips from the start. And if they're lifted it will kick off IMO, because the brain dead fools haven't gone away in the few years bubble trips have been operated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 If you don't buy the tickets the chairmen will try to change things. The guys in power listen when their revenue dries up, not before. But i don't wish to be cynical and i'm sure SL was against the bubble trips from the start. And if they're lifted it will kick off IMO, because the brain dead fools haven't gone away in the few years bubble trips have been operated. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taunton_City Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Great news! Hopefully will be lifted for the Swansea games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Absolutely top marks to Steve. The fans can express their discontent all they like but the police will ignore us. His voice will be listened to. Yes, if the bubble is lifted there will be trouble. Just as there is trouble every weekend in town - so do the supporters of the bubble advocate closing every pub, club and bar in town? No. The bubble is as Steve says draconian. It penalises the innocent majority. That cannot be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Absolutely top marks to Steve. The fans can express their discontent all they like but the police will ignore us. His voice will be listened to. Yes, if the bubble is lifted there will be trouble. The bubble is as Steve says draconian. It penalises the innocent majority. That cannot be right. I hope your're right Nick and that Lansdown's voice is indeed listened to but I suspect that the South Wales police won't pay too much attention to him and nor will Avon and Somerset Constabulary. They have adopted the 'bubble' stratagy and say that its been a success and in terms of virtually eradicating trouble at these matches and no-one can argue the point. What they are not likely to consider is the imapct that the stratagy has upon the majority of ordinary fans who simply want to watch the game. It is indeed draconian and possibly an infringement of our rights but I doubt very much that the police will pay any heed. They won't want to go back to the old days of running battles in the streets and smashed up pubs. It good to see a high profile chairman speaking out against it but sadly I can't see it making any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Absolutely top marks to Steve. The fans can express their discontent all they like but the police will ignore us. His voice will be listened to. Yes, if the bubble is lifted there will be trouble. Just as there is trouble every weekend in town - so do the supporters of the bubble advocate closing every pub, club and bar in town? No. The bubble is as Steve says draconian. It penalises the innocent majority. That cannot be right. But how about the many fans who would actually prefer the bubble? Last weekend I went to a game I said I would never go to because of the violence, and yet I never came within 50 yards of a Cardiff fan (apart from the workman on the motorway who lifted his jacket to show a blue shirt as we went past). I think there could be some sort of compromise where genuine football fans can be protected by a bubble if they so wish, and let the others fight it out amongst themselves if that is what they want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 But how about the many fans who would actually prefer the bubble? Last weekend I went to a game I said I would never go to because of the violence, and yet I never came within 50 yards of a Cardiff fan (apart from the workman on the motorway who lifted his jacket to show a blue shirt as we went past). I think there could be some sort of compromise where genuine football fans can be protected by a bubble if they so wish, and let the others fight it out amongst themselves if that is what they want to do. Give people a choice is what we want. I won't be going there again until it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I hope your're right Nick and that Lansdown's voice is indeed listened to but I suspect that the South Wales police won't pay too much attention to him and nor will Avon and Somerset Constabulary. They have adopted the 'bubble' stratagy and say that its been a success and in terms of virtually eradicating trouble at these matches and no-one can argue the point. What they are not likely to consider is the imapct that the stratagy has upon the majority of ordinary fans who simply want to watch the game. It is indeed draconian and possibly an infringement of our rights but I doubt very much that the police will pay any heed. They won't want to go back to the old days of running battles in the streets and smashed up pubs. It good to see a high profile chairman speaking out against it but sadly I can't see it making any difference. Agree with all your comments and it seems unusually we are of one on the issue. I think I am correct in saying that the police cannot insist on the bubble, just strongly advise/request it. If that is right, with Steve expressing these thoughts, there must be some room for negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 But how about the many fans who would actually prefer the bubble? Last weekend I went to a game I said I would never go to because of the violence, and yet I never came within 50 yards of a Cardiff fan (apart from the workman on the motorway who lifted his jacket to show a blue shirt as we went past). I think there could be some sort of compromise where genuine football fans can be protected by a bubble if they so wish, and let the others fight it out amongst themselves if that is what they want to do. Wouldnt disagree with your last sentence, would only add that there is of course a third group, the group which will travel under their own steam and will not seek to get involved - and in fact are unlikely to do so, because the fighters generally seek each other out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepers Ball Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 i think football clubs as a whole should tell their local constabularies to **** right off . At the end of the day the Police are a service. They are there quite simply to service US and uphold the law to protect US not dictate when a football match can be played and how many can watch. Its about time this was pointed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted September 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 what is needed is some sort of compromise, something that will stasify fans and police in a better way. The bubble works, however the moment it is removed there will be trouble again without a doubt. what is needed is some sort of scheme almost like a football based park and ride, where yo can drive yourself there park in a Secure Car Park someway from the ground, collect your tickets from the pick and ride then get escorted into the ground on a bus from there. Something similar can also surely be sorted for people who want to travel by train, such as you can get to Cardiff by train, however from their you have to get a Bus into the ground. You can make your own way to cardiff, but you still have to be escorted into the ground. not be ideal, but better than the current situation and would hopefully will still keep the police happy(ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 what is needed is some sort of compromise, something that will stasify fans and police in a better way. The bubble works, however the moment it is removed there will be trouble again without a doubt. what is needed is some sort of scheme almost like a football based park and ride, where yo can drive yourself there park in a Secure Car Park someway from the ground, collect your tickets from the pick and ride then get escorted into the ground on a bus from there. Something similar can also surely be sorted for people who want to travel by train, such as you can get to Cardiff by train, however from their you have to get a Bus into the ground. You can make your own way to cardiff, but you still have to be escorted into the ground. not be ideal, but better than the current situation and would hopefully will still keep the police happy(ish) You're on the right lines with that suggestion, but how long would it be before the Cardiff numskulls descended upon said car park, and started the trouble there instead. And of course the same would happen at this end. As I said before, there could be a bubble as now, and anybody going of their own accord would just get normal police protection, as long as they realise the dangers when they arrange their trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 To right ''burst that bubble'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Brilliant news. Glad to see that the stand point of some of us is shared by the chairman. And people said not going wouldn't make a difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easton boy Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 You're on the right lines with that suggestion, but how long would it be before the Cardiff numskulls descended upon said car park, and started the trouble there instead. And of course the same would happen at this end. As I said before, there could be a bubble as now, and anybody going of their own accord would just get normal police protection, as long as they realise the dangers when they arrange their trip. The thing is, if the car park was designated as an away fans only car park and ride, then the police could actually focus their attention on this car park rather than the side streets and back alleys of dimmest darkest Wales, so less likely any brain deads would try and start trouble at that location. Think its a REALLY good idea Bh-Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartolona Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 You're on the right lines with that suggestion, but how long would it be before the Cardiff numskulls descended upon said car park, and started the trouble there instead. You could say the same about the service station where we stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 If you don't buy the tickets the chairmen will try to change things. The guys in power listen when their revenue dries up, not before. But i don't wish to be cynical and i'm sure SL was against the bubble trips from the start. And if they're lifted it will kick off IMO, because the brain dead fools haven't gone away in the few years bubble trips have been operated. The thing is that because they have stopped trouble at the "bubble" games then the trouble goes to other games. Wolves,Forest etc in the last couple of years. We either all make a stand and don't do the "bubble" trips or in years to come we will get them every week. The Wolves game ( no matter what they say about the Tory conference etc) is a 12.30 kick off because of trouble last year. Whose to say that if theres even a small incident on saturday then they may make all future trips to Wolves "bubble" games ?. I wont ever go on the "bubble" games, and i am waiting for someone with a bit of money to challenge our right to travel in the courts. Surely it effects our human rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 The thing is that because they have stopped trouble at the "bubble" games then the trouble goes to other games. Wolves,Forest etc in the last couple of years. We either all make a stand and don't do the "bubble" trips or in years to come we will get them every week. The Wolves game ( no matter what they say about the Tory conference etc) is a 12.30 kick off because of trouble last year. Whose to say that if theres even a small incident on saturday then they may make all future trips to Wolves "bubble" games ?. I wont ever go on the "bubble" games, and i am waiting for someone with a bit of money to challenge our right to travel in the courts. Surely it effects our human rights. i bet you won't see trouble at wolves this saturday, just a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh_red Posted September 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Was in Cardiff today working and it was all over the local papers with reports of fighting and police being "attacked" the question has too be as it was a bubble match how did trouble still occur? surely the point of these bubble matches are to prevent any trouble? if the police can't protect fans as this example shows, surely it is pointless? and people should be able to travel under their own free will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Was in Cardiff today working and it was all over the local papers with reports of fighting and police being "attacked" the question has too be as it was a bubble match how did trouble still occur? surely the point of these bubble matches are to prevent any trouble? if the police can't protect fans as this example shows, surely it is pointless? and people should be able to travel under their own free will? problem is (and i'm not sticking up for thugs) that banter on a segregation line in a high profile fixture can lead to 0 tolerance by police with the baton swinging and pushing because the police get edgy (this happened with bristol city fans in cardiff last season), it then leads to fans getting peed off with police and it escalates in fan vs police, now swansea vs cardiff is always going to have it's edge as they have not met in 10 years or so, however the police are no angels in these games and have wound it up in the past, there is bad eggs in every sides basket only the innocent suffer in the long run. bubble trips won't solve it, robo cop vs fans? who needs a bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnder Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Let's be honest, even the most well heeled fans have a certain amount of tribalism when it comes to football. I attended the rugby last week between Bristol and ...erm....some other team. The atmosphere was friendly and the beer flowed, and people were safe, and they enjoyed themselves but......... ....how I longed to hear the creative chants even the rude ones (that may be perceived as obscene by some) but aided by wit. The problem with tribalism, OK let's tone it down a bit - parochialism, is that we all love it when we out sing the other mob but feel aggrieved when the opposite is true. Some people can't contain themselves for whatever reason and the next minute one of ours/theirs has taken offence and wants to escalate it with one of theirs/ours. The excitement can be misplaced as aggression, the individual becomes part of the throng, the mass hysteria takes over and the next thing is custard pies are going off all over the place. Bubble matches have eradicated the exceptional behaviour with the exception of when the rivary is really fierce, ala last night http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/se...lingcup.swansea or indeed when we last played the gas (not a bubble match, granted) or as in previous seasons when we've played the Welsh teams. It won't go away but the measure of success has seen a marked decrease in City fans traveling to Cardiff. Remember you can do this trip by road or rail in about 30-40mins without breaking your neck. Even with the limited journey it takes 4 hours to complete, taking into account the time you have to be at your coach pick up. I actually enjoyed the Cardiff match. I thought it was a great advert for end to end football, well in the second half at least and I will go as far to say that I thought the Cardiff fans added to a boisterous atmosphere that never got to the intimidating stage. Had the bubble not occurred I'm sure we would have encountered many Anglo/Welsh altercations on the way to Ninian. I prefer to travel independently, or at least have the choice. Meeting up with mates at a watering hole on the way is part of the fun. Masquerading on the way to ground as an all conquering army is another element. Singing your lungs out in the ground is the epitome of support for me, but I know this is not for everyone. As indeed is traveling by official transport only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Gawd bless Sir Steve and his big pockets for sticking in his tenpennorth but isn't this the same Sir Steve that wouldn't open the East End until he was petitioned time and time again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Gawd bless Sir Steve and his big pockets for sticking in his tenpennorth but isn't this the same Sir Steve that wouldn't open the East End until he was petitioned time and time again? it is but we have shown what good boys and girls we can be in the eastend so maybe a step further can be shown on welsh trips away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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