will alwayes beleve Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 IMO, nobody is better than anybody else over a season... or rather it is very subjective. Williams was, i think, our best player on sunday. yes but i was asking is he our best player there aint nothing about sunday, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will alwayes beleve Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 as soon as i saw him against cheltenham town pre-season, i thought he had the potential to be an amazing signing. How much did we pay for him? i dnt know but he deservs his walsh place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will alwayes beleve Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Regardless of where they play the thread title is 'Is Gavin Williams Our Best Player?' Why can't a goal keeper of striker be our best player. Why can't a central midfielder of right back be our best player. It isn't about comparison to position it is about value to the team. this guy knows what he is talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindjuicer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 totally disagree Skuse prior to injury has been probably been our best midfielder since xmas, he's more than covered for Elliott's injury and has also got among the goals, for him to be dropped anytime would be daft, even for Elliott who we have barely missed. I don't think you can be dropped if you're not even starting and that's the key point. Skuse hardly touched the ball on Sunday (not his fault), LJ had a good game & scored a nice goal against Coventry so are you really going to drop him? On his day, I think Skuse is better technically than both LJ & Williams. But he has to prove consistency and maybe a few other things too. It's funny that when GJ said we have enough talent in midfield and we all had our doubts, he was right. Even when Marv got injured. There isn't a single player starting who you can justify dropping. And yet we're going to have more quality on our bench than most starting teams in the Championship. Given we're making 2 attacking substitutions per game, there isn't a lot of room for midfield substitutions either. I think we have to go back to 4-4-2 when Marv gets back. I'd love to see Skuse get his chance, maybe 4-4-2 against QPR but are you going to drop Fonts or McCombe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh red Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I don't think you can be dropped if you're not even starting and that's the key point. Skuse hardly touched the ball on Sunday (not his fault), LJ had a good game & scored a nice goal against Coventry so are you really going to drop him? On his day, I think Skuse is better technically than both LJ & Williams. But he has to prove consistency and maybe a few other things too. It's funny that when GJ said we have enough talent in midfield and we all had our doubts, he was right. Even when Marv got injured. There isn't a single player starting who you can justify dropping. And yet we're going to have more quality on our bench than most starting teams in the Championship. Given we're making 2 attacking substitutions per game, there isn't a lot of room for midfield substitutions either. I think we have to go back to 4-4-2 when Marv gets back. I'd love to see Skuse get his chance, maybe 4-4-2 against QPR but are you going to drop Fonts or McCombe? don't need to drop Fonts or McCombe, Carey is banned for next 2 games. Sorry, I didn't really mean dropped technically because obviously he can't be as he's been injured, just feel he should be recalled now he's fit, if someone is to be dropped from midfield then based on current form I'd say Lee would be the one to come out, he's not been playing well for weeks now, he scored Cov, but had an utter stinker overall, and he only really played well on Sunday after Williams had gone off, in the first half again he couldn't find a pass. Skuse did have a bit of play , however his most important one was the taclke that was deemed a foul just after Cardiff had scored, (something that should have been done couple of mins earlier to stop the first by Carey) he took a booking for the tackle, but it was needed. personally with Carey out and skuse fit, personally away from home, I'd stick with 3-5-2 (5-3-2) away from home, Bass, Izzy, Font, McCombe, Orr, McAllister, McIndoe, Williams, Skuse, Dele, Maynard good solid team, with strong defence and excellent attacking options, or if switching to 4-4-2 Bas, Orr, Font, McCombe, McAllsiter, McIndoe, Williams, Skuse, Johnson or Sproule, Dele, Maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will alwayes beleve Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 don't need to drop Fonts or McCombe, Carey is banned for next 2 games. Sorry, I didn't really mean dropped technically because obviously he can't be as he's been injured, just feel he should be recalled now he's fit, if someone is to be dropped from midfield then based on current form I'd say Lee would be the one to come out, he's not been playing well for weeks now, he scored Cov, but had an utter stinker overall, and he only really played well on Sunday after Williams had gone off, in the first half again he couldn't find a pass. Skuse did have a bit of play , however his most important one was the taclke that was deemed a foul just after Cardiff had scored, (something that should have been done couple of mins earlier to stop the first by Carey) he took a booking for the tackle, but it was needed. personally with Carey out and skuse fit, personally away from home, I'd stick with 3-5-2 (5-3-2) away from home, Bass, Izzy, Font, McCombe, Orr, McAllister, McIndoe, Williams, Skuse, Dele, Maynard good solid team, with strong defence and excellent attacking options, or if switching to 4-4-2 Bas, Orr, Font, McCombe, McAllsiter, McIndoe, Williams, Skuse, Johnson or Sproule, Dele, Maynard wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindjuicer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 don't need to drop Fonts or McCombe, Carey is banned for next 2 games. Didn't know that. Much as I'd like to see Izzy starting, it has to be your 4-4-2 team then, LJ starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob4Jane Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Given we're making 2 attacking substitutions per game, there isn't a lot of room for midfield substitutions either. Would one of those subs be better used to alter the supply route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpers4Goalposts Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 So if we kind of all agree Gavin Williams is one of our best player at the moment, who has been the best player over the season, and more to the point who has been our best player since being in the championship? At the moment - Gavin Williams This season - Dele Adebola (probably ) Since in the Championship - I reckon probably Carey. Basso and Orr were highly commended last season but Orr has not hit his form this season compared to last. Basso Eliott must come close too, but think Carey edges it for me Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Best player in technical ability wise, or contribution to the game? Basso, Carey, Fontaine, Orr, Johnson, Adebola are as effective. Carey is our biggest player by a long mark, he really is that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh red Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 So if we kind of all agree Gavin Williams is one of our best player at the moment, who has been the best player over the season, and more to the point who has been our best player since being in the championship? At the moment - Gavin Williams This season - Dele Adebola (probably ) Since in the Championship - I reckon probably Carey. Basso and Orr were highly commended last season but Orr has not hit his form this season compared to last. Basso Eliott must come close too, but think Carey edges it for me Thoughts? at the moment, it's a tough call between Skuse & Williams who have been very consistant. This Season......Dele or Carey Since in this Divsion, Carey, McIndoe or Basso have been very consistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindjuicer Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Would one of those [attacking] subs be better used to alter the supply route? The more I look at it, the more I agree with what GJ is doing. The strategy for the Cardiff game worked in the first half. I don't know what was said at half time but we became immensely predictable attacking. Assuming Williams was injured, Skuse was the obvious replacement. Adebola came on as early as possible at 56mins, so that's 2 subs down. I'd have subbed Maynard just before he scored at 71 mins so kudos to GJ for not doing that. You don't sub someone who just broke their goal drought and you don't take off a defender after scoring. So Maynard was the only person who could be subbed and Styvar needs match time so that's inevitable too. Cardiff were seriously lucky to get the equaliser. We played really well. My only real concern was nearly every attacking move going to McIndoe with him being dispossessed seconds later. We have a tendency to stick with what we know. Looking ahead to QPR, Maynard was really suffering from his goal drought. Hopefully that's over with and so we need him and John to start. McIndoe isn't attacking well atm but still justifies his place. Orr and McAllister don't seem to be able to cross so, with Carey out, I think 4-4-2 is likely. With McIndoe, LJ, Skuse & Williams in midfield and Sproule on the bench, we have some nice options there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will alwayes beleve Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 at the moment, it's a tough call between Skuse & Williams who have been very consistant. This Season......Dele or Carey Since in this Divsion, Carey, McIndoe or Basso have been very consistant yes but gavin has a better touch and shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will alwayes beleve Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 at the moment, it's a tough call between Skuse & Williams who have been very consistant. This Season......Dele or Carey Since in this Divsion, Carey, McIndoe or Basso have been very consistant gavin if fitter and atm we need all the fit ness we can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Nick Carle's not fit to lace his boots. ..tch, Injured is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will alwayes beleve Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 ..tch, Injured is he? what is this about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 How can any body say Basso is our best player or in the top three. You are obviously joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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