4eveREDDy Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 BBC news 7.35am, looks like Southampton could not get extension on their loans and will be going into Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Sad news as they have done well with some of their youngsters. Just goes to show that if you spend spend spend things don't always work out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 So does this mean a points deduction and certain relegation? Or would any points deduction be applied at the start of next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'm sure the points deduction would be this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Southampton Leisure Holdings, the company which owns Southampton Football Club, will enter administration this morning according to the Daily Mail. The deadline for going into administration without risking starting next season with a points penalty was last week, but the Saints look set to avoid an automatic 10-point penalty as it is not the club itself that is going under. Southampton are currently second-bottom in the Championship table, three points adrift from safety with a game in hand, and according to the paper will make the announcement to the Alternative Investment Market today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Southampton Leisure Holdings, the company which owns Southampton Football Club, will enter administration this morning according to the Daily Mail. The deadline for going into administration without risking starting next season with a points penalty was last week, but the Saints look set to avoid an automatic 10-point penalty as it is not the club itself that is going under. Southampton are currently second-bottom in the Championship table, three points adrift from safety with a game in hand, and according to the paper will make the announcement to the Alternative Investment Market today. So is this Southamption basically finding a loophold around the deduction by having a parent company going into Admin rather than the club itself? Although technically in my eyes its all the same thing but sounds like the Saints have managed to get around this whole points deduction thing the sneaky barstewards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 1, 2009 Admin Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'm sure the points deduction would be this season The deadline for points deductions this season was March 26th - so any deductions will now take place next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 The deadline for points deductions this season was March 26th - so any deductions will now take place next season Wrong. It applies this season if it would affect promotion/relegation this season, which clearly it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Either way...they are s**t and points deduction or not, are going down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edson Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Wrong. It applies this season if it would affect promotion/relegation this season, which clearly it would. Presumably they wait until the end of the season to decide? At the moment, Southampton are in the relegation zone anyway, so deducting 10 points wouldn't change that. My reading of it is, that they'll only deduct the ten points this season if Southampton are outside the relegation zone by less than ten points at the end of the season. That's just my interpretation of it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Presumably they wait until the end of the season to decide? At the moment, Southampton are in the relegation zone anyway, so deducting 10 points wouldn't change that. My reading of it is, that they'll only deduct the ten points this season if Southampton are outside the relegation zone by less than ten points at the end of the season. That's just my interpretation of it, though. Thats right. They should also be made to play under the name "Southampton Leisure Holdings FC" for their crafty work in trying to avoid the points deduction. P.S. Is this an April Fools attempt? Can't find a single link to this story anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 How about we help them out with 500k and they give us Surman and Adam Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thats right. They should also be made to play under the name "Southampton Leisure Holdings FC" for their crafty work in trying to avoid the points deduction. P.S. Is this an April Fools attempt? Can't find a single link to this story anywhere. Plenty about it on their fanzine site - The Ugly Inside.net - very apt don't you think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ashtonyate Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Southampton was a good second tear prem side for years the only thing I can see they done wrong was build a new stadium to me that was there down fall. That's why I think our Club should be very careful, in Lansdown we trust but what happen when he is not there. Its all right showing plans of the new stadium it all looks great,but until someone come out and gives an assurance that the club will never be put at risk over the debt of the stadium I will give it a thumbs down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 So is this Southamption basically finding a loophold around the deduction by having a parent company going into Admin rather than the club itself? Although technically in my eyes its all the same thing but sounds like the Saints have managed to get around this whole points deduction thing the sneaky barstewards! I think that's pretty much how the BCFC companies are structured these days as well. Ultimately, if the parent company goes under then the football club will inevitably follow, so the avoidance of the points deduction this season is only delaying the inevitable. Incidentally, Southampton's problems all seem to stem from the building of a large new stadium which they simply couldn't afford. Does that alarm anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stand Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I think that's pretty much how the BCFC companies are structured these days as well. Ultimately, if the parent company goes under then the football club will inevitably follow, so the avoidance of the points deduction this season is only delaying the inevitable. Incidentally, Southampton's problems all seem to stem from the building of a large new stadium which they simply couldn't afford. Does that alarm anybody? It's a sobering thought, no doubt. However when the Stains went ahead with St Mary's they were an established top flight club & prob thought that's where they were going to stay. Whilst there are many tales of the new ground being a catalyst to success (Swansea, Hull etc) there are other less shining e.g's such as Darlington. I'd like to think Lansdown et al are bright enough & grounded enough not to make the new stadium are downfall. However i do have a concern about us getting crowds of < 15K in a stadium that can hold 30K, with a pretty dire atmosphere as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I'd like to think Lansdown et al are bright enough & grounded enough not to make the new stadium are downfall. However i do have a concern about us getting crowds of < 15K in a stadium that can hold 30K, with a pretty dire atmosphere as a result. I share your hope regarding our current board. However, I also wonder whether our plans for a new stadium, which first surfaced at the AGM held in late 2007 when we looked a good bet for automatic promotion, were made in the hope/expectation that we would soon be in the Premier League. If so, the costs involved in building a new stadium will be very difficult to justify while we are still in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 How about we help them out with 500k and they give us Surman and Adam Lallana. IMO thats exactly how we should be thinking.......we should be hovering around these troubled clubs like vultures ready to snap up any players who suit our needs at knockdown prices (worth a try at least) all is fair in love & football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 It's a sobering thought, no doubt. However when the Stains went ahead with St Mary's they were an established top flight club & prob thought that's where they were going to stay. Whilst there are many tales of the new ground being a catalyst to success (Swansea, Hull etc) there are other less shining e.g's such as Darlington. I'd like to think Lansdown et al are bright enough & grounded enough not to make the new stadium are downfall. However i do have a concern about us getting crowds of < 15K in a stadium that can hold 30K, with a pretty dire atmosphere as a result. Neither Hull or Swansea actually spent money on their stadiums, and neither of those clubs own the stadium they play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Either way...they are s**t and points deduction or not, are going down!3 points off of survival with a game in hand suggests they still have a chance. Will be a shame to see them go down as it's a fairly local game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Southampton was a good second tear prem side for years the only thing I can see they done wrong was build a new stadium to me that was there down fall. That's why I think our Club should be very careful, in Lansdown we trust but what happen when he is not there. Its all right showing plans of the new stadium it all looks great,but until someone come out and gives an assurance that the club will never be put at risk over the debt of the stadium I will give it a thumbs down. The sad thing is St. Mary's isn't even that good a stadium... it's in a cr*p location and looks like a flat-pack shed To get yourself into this much trouble for a stadium like that is disappointing - I'd be thoroughly depressed if I were a Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Ah well, Wotte goes around, comes around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 In my experience, they're a decent club with a nice bunch of fans. I really hope they stay up. Send Plymouth down. Can't stand that place. The points about new stadium and pressure on finance is indeed a really valid and eye-opening one. Nothing worse than a half empty stadium. For what it's worth, I'd hate to see any club (outside of the Premier League especially) go out of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 They should also be made to play under the name "Southampton Leisure Holdings FC" for their crafty work in trying to avoid the points deduction. Maybe not. Think back to the early 80's. When Bristol City Football Club (1982) Limited was formed, many people in football (and some Rovers fans) angrily suggested this was a brand new club and should start from the bottom again, not carry on playing what had been Bristol City F C's fixture list. I have some family in Soton and last time there we walked past some luxury apartments. I was asked if I knew where I was and I didn't "This was The Dell" i was told. I felt really sad having seen George Best score a hat trick there, Ron Davies, Jimmy Paine, Mick Channon, Bobby Stokes and others holding their own in the top div for many years etc. I hope Pompey fans don't gloat eother. 30 years ago they had dropped into Div 4, playing in front of only a few thou in a dillapidated Fratton Park and in danger of bankruptcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Red Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I felt really sad having seen George Best score a hat trick there, Ron Davies, Jimmy Paine, Mick Channon, Bobby Stokes and others holding their own in the top div for many years etc. Are you sure about that Jimmy Paine :tongue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 30 years ago they had dropped into Div 4, playing in front of only a few thou in a dillapidated Fratton Park and in danger of bankruptcy. Can now be updated to ... "Currently playing in the Premier League, playing in front of only a few more thou in a dillapidated Fratton Park and in danger of bankruptcy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Are you sure about that Jimmy Paine :tongue: Yes, and TERRY Melia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 OOps I got the names muddled, but hey ho! Meanwhile at 5.00pm on Sky Sports News they stated Saints might not last the season. If they don't their record will be expunged, so all points gained from matches against them plus goals scored and conceded will be deleted from all other clyub's records. Anyone who's done the double over the Saints will lose 6 points, whereas if the Saints had done the double over you your goal difference will improve. Wolves lose 3pts down to 74pts, Brum 6 = 66, Reading 1 = 67, Sheff U 4 = 62, Burnley 3 = 65, Cardiff 3 = 60, PNE nil = 61, Swansea 4 = 54, City 3 = 55, Ipswich 1 = 55 and QPR 4 = 52; so we climb one place over Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Red Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 OOps I got the names muddled, but hey ho! Meanwhile at 5.00pm on Sky Sports News they stated Saints might not last the season. If they don't their record will be expunged, so all points gained from matches against them plus goals scored and conceded will be deleted from all other clyub's records. Anyone who's done the double over the Saints will lose 6 points, whereas if the Saints had done the double over you your goal difference will improve. Wolves lose 3pts down to 74pts, Brum 6 = 66, Reading 1 = 67, Sheff U 4 = 62, Burnley 3 = 65, Cardiff 3 = 60, PNE nil = 61, Swansea 4 = 54, City 3 = 55, Ipswich 1 = 55 and QPR 4 = 52; so we climb one place over Swansea. City did the double over the Saints......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidNoble Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 I heard some Pompey fans will be going to St.Marys on saurday just to keep the rivalry going. Their own club might need the money mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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