Pederho ll Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Just to clarify, in today's EP interview with SL it implies that Tesco will not be buying the land regardless (as some have mentioned above) and will seek planning permission before buying the land (understandable of course). http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/sport/Steve...il/article.html Well, if that is the case, we either don't need the money from the dispose of AG to fund the new development or Tesco/BCFC have been given some pretty solid informal advice from the BCC planners that they will get planning permission for the site within a relatively short timeframe. Achieving a satisfactory planning consent for this site for a user such as Tesco, with the undoubted strong opposition they would face from Sainsburys, could take years and this would eat into the timeframe that has been set out by BCFC for our new development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Selling to Tescos is great, they are usually willing to pay over the odds for land in places like that. I can't see it would have much of a negative effect on local traders. People will still go to the specialist butchers and fruit and veg shops on North St because they're better than anything you can get in a supermarket. I suspect the biggest planning problem for Tesco will actually be access, because traffic around Winterstoke is already s**t (I imagine there would be no vehicle access from the park end to keep residents happy). I think it will come down to whether the planners can look at Tesco's application and our stadium as a whole development project. I wouldn't just assume that Tesco's will have no impact on local traders. Planning retail policy can be very stringent and I'd suggest that BCC are not entirely behind this proposal on the grounds of the negative impact a Tesco could have on North Street/West Street/Bemi parade. The onus will be on City's planning consultants NLP to show that the Tesco would benefit the local economy and not have an adverse impact on local traders. The planners won't be able to look at both applications together as the new stadium one will be submitted (hopefully) next week and the Ashton Gate redevelopment one not for some months. It's a potentially risky strategy especially City going alone for planning permission at AG without having actually sold the land to Tesco. A potentially rewarding one as well though, as if City secure planning permission for a retail use then they can command a much higher price for the land. A bit like buying a furnished house as opposed to an unfurnished one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StapleHillPhil Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Just to clarify, in today's EP interview with SL it implies that Tesco will not be buying the land regardless (as some have mentioned above) and will seek planning permission before buying the land (understandable of course). http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/sport/Steve...il/article.html I wouldn't say that Tesco are all that bothered whether or not they get planning permission immediately or not. As a company they hold an enormous land bank and seem quite happy to build on this as and when local planning rules change. For an example of this you need to look no further than Hanham where they bought the former Kleeneze factory several years ago and seem set to soon apply again for planning permission for a store having initially had plans turned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 with the new houses that are being planned in and around the area 10k i think was a number banded about a new supermarket isnt such a stupid idea and considering we will get over 4 times more money than selling ag for houses/flats i say show us the money tesco as i don't think we would get anywhere near 20m from any other business or property developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooter Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 TESCO being built over Ashton Gate? ... What the ######!? Surely though, as much as Wolves hate West Brom, you would have thought they'd have known the directions to the Hawthorns by now!!! :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I wouldn't just assume that Tesco's will have no impact on local traders. Planning retail policy can be very stringent and I'd suggest that BCC are not entirely behind this proposal on the grounds of the negative impact a Tesco could have on North Street/West Street/Bemi parade. The onus will be on City's planning consultants NLP to show that the Tesco would benefit the local economy and not have an adverse impact on local traders. Local traders will no doubt kick up a fuss but the good ones will survive. Are there really many that would be endangered by Tesco? We hear that every time a new store is planned but it never seems to stop them and it never seems (to me at least) to actually happen when they are built. The planners won't be able to look at both applications together as the new stadium one will be submitted (hopefully) next week and the Ashton Gate redevelopment one not for some months. It's a potentially risky strategy especially City going alone for planning permission at AG without having actually sold the land to Tesco. A potentially rewarding one as well though, as if City secure planning permission for a retail use then they can command a much higher price for the land. A bit like buying a furnished house as opposed to an unfurnished one. What I'm getting at is that when they consider the planning application for the stadium, and later for the supermarket, can't they apply the knowledge they have of how the developments both support each other? There is also the backdrop of a massive £2.5bn central government backed residential and commercial development plan for the whole of Long Ashton as well as transport plans. I would have thought that knowing what is in the pipeline for the area as a whole could be something the planning people take into account? It's a long road ahead but I am fairly optimistic because I think the pressure is firmly on the local authorities to do something positive after the arena debacle and with the world cup bid on the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanhamreds Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I wouldn't say that Tesco are all that bothered whether or not they get planning permission immediately or not. As a company they hold an enormous land bank and seem quite happy to build on this as and when local planning rules change. For an example of this you need to look no further than Hanham where they bought the former Kleeneze factory several years ago and seem set to soon apply again for planning permission for a store having initially had plans turned down. I really need to get one of those "say no to Tesco" signs and stick it in my front window. I'm all for a Tesco at AG though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 BCC will be right behind it. Anything to get the new stadium built & the world cup coming to Bristol - millions of pounds flowing into the local economy. Move quick, in case Dec 2010 comes & we aren't a World Cup host city. Then planning might be harder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/As...il/article.html http://www.ashton-park.co.uk/masterplan/uses Interesting to look in the top right of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/As...il/article.html http://www.ashton-park.co.uk/masterplan/uses Interesting to look in the top right of the picture. Very interesting and not very easy to see unless you look closely!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Very interesting and not very easy to see unless you look closely!! Umm, what we looking at exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Umm, what we looking at exactly? Second link, top right corner, just slightly to the left, there's a stadium shaped picture in the faded out bit. This is the central government instigated proposal for adding 10,000 homes and a rapid transit system to area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 WIth all that development going on you'd think that additional retail outlets are necessary in that area... Everything seems to be slotting into place, but there'll be some snags along the way no doubt. I'm sure there will but I think there is a great deal of momentum behind all of the development in that area which is my cause for optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Birkin Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Wouldn't it be an ideal opportunity to transform Ashton Gate into an indoor arena ? Surely to God it would be a fantastic chance to bring Bristol kicking and screaming into the 21st century ? Most other big cities have them, all we get is millions wasted by the powers that be just bloody talking about the possibility, then scrapping it ! We've got enough supermarkets, lets have an arena that we desperately need, instead of spending time and money travelling elsewhere to gigs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Wouldn't it be an ideal opportunity to transform Ashton Gate into an indoor arena ? Surely to God it would be a fantastic chance to bring Bristol kicking and screaming into the 21st century ? Most other big cities have them, all we get is millions wasted by the powers that be just bloody talking about the possibility, then scrapping it ! We've got enough supermarkets, lets have an arena that we desperately need, instead of spending time and money travelling elsewhere to gigs, etc. I expect there to be a indoor arena created alongside the new stadium. If the council can find the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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