sh1t_ref_again Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side Good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I BELIEVE Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side I agree 100% with everything you have said. Great post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other sideI think you need to get real. We have teh best squad that we have had in years but are very poor. There must be a reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markman Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side It is in my dreams - which tend to come quite often watching this dire stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side What are you talking about?! Do you think GJ is the ONLY manager in the whole world that can bring in a decent loan signing? Im sure plenty of other managers would/could have got Sno...Yes Sno is an excellent addition, but dont you think a winger would have been the better option, after all we only have 6! central midfield players?!! Are you not worried at our lack of width, the fact that the only winger we have at the club is pretty useless? I am far from a doom and gloomer but the unbalance in the squad has gone beyond the point of a joke now. Whos to say the grass isnt greener? Im starting to question GJ i really am, if a manager just say for arguments sake Chris Coleman had the resources SL would make avaliable do you think we would be playing the way we are barely scoring more than 1 a game? Gj has done very well nobodys disputing that fact, but he is not un-touchable by any means. If thiings carry on this way then yes i think a change of manager (SHOCK HORROR!) could be the best thing to take us foward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted September 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 I think you need to get real. We have teh best squad that we have had in years but are very poor. There must be a reason for that. Yes you are correct, there is a reason - its new players getting to know each other, having a fit squad not suffering from the effects of a virus & time without fans getting on their backs and over reacting to a couple of poor performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. There are no lets sack GJ posts, No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. We are not good enough to pressurise teams and draw and lose games we should be winning I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. We have the players they are being held back though on a tight leash I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. My opinon is, we are gonna have to score in the first half if we are to mount any sort of play off challenge GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) Money brought these players here and maybe a promise of more games than they were getting But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. Dont all clubs have new players and injuries come to that I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. I am in no rush to "get rid" either he will/or will not do that all by himself So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side Very true but sometimes it is as well Just my opinions like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Yes you are correct, there is a reason - its new players getting to know each other, having a fit squad not suffering from the effects of a virus & time without fans getting on their backs and over reacting to a couple of poor performances That would explain poor performances from players not clicking and not working, but there have not been that many examples of players playing poorly this season, i can only think of a couple of times when i've come away from a game thinking any players have had a particularly poor game, the poor performances actually have very little to do with the players, either getting to know each other or playing poorly, if it was people wouldn't be as concerned as well it's just a bad patch. It's almost entirely down to the tactics (or lack there of) that is the problem and the squad we seem to have doesn't actually have anything required to play any system particularly well. We lack any wide players to play a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 properly, and we have no wing backs capable of employing a 3-5-2 to it's full effect either, we've gone from a side last season that could employ a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 to reasonable effect to a side capable of employing no system to any particular effect. And that has sod all to do with players learning a system and has everything to do with not actually having the players capable of actually using the formations to their effect, and the only person that can be held responsible for this is GJ. It's not Orr's fault he's a bloody good right back but pretty god awful going forward so therefore rather unsuited to the more attacking role a wing back plays, it's not McAllisters fault that he's good at getting into positions but his delivery from open play is often poor, it's not any of our 23,000 central midfielders fault they can't play on the wing or out wide, Its not maynards fault that with no service he's only scoring wonder goals, it's not Hartley, Johnson, Elliot, Skuse, Williams, Sno's fault that they have no outlet when under pressure, bacuse there is no width making it very, very easy for the opposition to tighten their midfield up pressure them, forcing them to go back to the defence to just lump it long. You can tell when a team is getting used to each other, as they have trouble finding each other and have to take longer to see their team mates rather than just knowing where they are, but our players know exactly where the rest of the team are and that's in the middle of the park with nobody out wide. If it were a case of players playing poorly or just getting used to each other then fair enough, but it really dowsn't look like that, it just looks like Johnson is being outmanaged by most of his opposite numbers from the team sheet to the end of 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Yes you are correct, there is a reason - its new players getting to know each other, having a fit squad not suffering from the effects of a virus & time without fans getting on their backs and over reacting to a couple of poor performancesIt's not just a couple of bad performances tho is it? We havn't won away since Reading last season. We only ever score 1 goal if we score at all and that's usually late on in a game. We havn't scored a first half goal all season(it wasn't much better last season) We have some very attacking players but play so cautiously and havn't got any real wingers. I'm not saying we need to get rid of him but our goal scoring record with him has been poor and his tactics and substitutions have cost us games that we should have really won. A lot of offfield stuff goes on that we are unaware of and that can also affect performances. It's sad when my club says there is a virus but I find it hard to believe what they are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Imagine what it would be like if we'd had a bad start to the season! Not saying we've had a particularly good one, but 2 away defeats in the first 9 games isn't exactly panic stations. Or so you would think unless you looked on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Ciderhead Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 As I keep saying, too many people on this forum are incapable of seing the bigger picture, and make sweeping statements based on the last game or two. Thats why I dont bother posting here much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ashtonyate Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 As I keep saying, too many people on this forum are incapable of seing the bigger picture, and make sweeping statements based on the last game or two. Thats why I dont bother posting here much... That's the trouble posters are seeing the bigger picture in vistavision for the last 3 years and they want a change in tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leobcfc1 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Totally lost the plot No not another lets sack GJ post, but a get real post to the small band of short memoried moaners who are bombarding the forum (always the same few) with the "end of the world is neigh" posts, trying to whip up a lets get rid of GJ histeria. No doubt these are the same people putting the servers in to melt down over the excitment of our recent signings, lose or draw a couple of games and alls lost. I would also like me beloved team to win ever game 5-0, but when its not happening you need to get behind the team and support them. Whilst I not saying we should not debate the merits or different views, the over reaction is beyond belief. I am still very excited about this season with the best squad and manager I can remember since Alan Dicks, but for some, lose a game and that not good enough. GJ - has taken us up, established us as a good championship side who are respected by other teams, brought in lots of exciting new players (do you think we would have Sno ect if it was not for GJ?) But new players, new formations all takes time where they have showed patches of excellent football. To me the club is moving forward fast and will end the season towards the playoffs. I don't agree with all the tactis, players being used (LJ), but I am in no rush to get rid of a manager who has taken us to where we are now and building a team to take us to the next step. So get real, the grass is not always greener on the other side I'm sure this topic has been covered numerous times on the forum in recent weeks and it's still the same thing being said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 As I keep saying, too many people on this forum are incapable of seing the bigger picture, and make sweeping statements based on the last game or two. Thats why I dont bother posting here much...If I was SL I would be very unhappy with this big picture he has brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Ciderhead Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 If I was SL I would be very unhappy with this big picture he has brought. I had the pleasure to meet Steve L at Derby on Saturday and he is entirely content with our current squad of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 A s he should be- we could easily have won Saturday had saborio finished a great move as it deserved- 1-0 up after two minutes and the game would probably have been all over after Derby's recent form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 A s he should be- we could easily have won Saturday had saborio finished a great move as it deserved- 1-0 up after two minutes and the game would probably have been all over after Derby's recent form. Yeah but he didn't and we lost! If's buts and maybes, bollox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yeah but he didn't and we lost! If's buts and maybes, bollox! Correct. As the old saying goes, if the Queen had testicles (I paraphrase) she'd be the King. We have to deal in realities in this game, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 true but the reality is we played decent football in the first half, have a decent squad and have a had a decent start to the season - some people don't want to accept that particular set of realities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 true but the reality is we played decent football in the first half, have a decent squad and have a had a decent start to the season - some people don't want to accept that particular set of realities. But only had 1 shot on target in the whole game against a side who a lot of people have been saying are really poor, and we lost. It goes back last season, you cant judge gary untill the end of the season we kept getting told. the season finished on a serious low after watching some really poor football. now we have to listen to the wait untill the virus clears up. how many excuses are we gonna have to hear this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 true but the reality is we played decent football in the first half, have a decent squad and have a had a decent start to the season - some people don't want to accept that particular set of realities. We played OK first half- not amazing. I think we have a decent squad except for the lack of wingers and 13 points from 9 games is an average start. The most worrying aspects for me are the negative tactics at home when winning and the goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 But only had 1 shot on target in the whole game against a side who a lot of people have been saying are really poor, and we lost. It goes back last season, you cant judge gary untill the end of the season we kept getting told. the season finished on a serious low after watching some really poor football. now we have to listen to the wait untill the virus clears up. how many excuses are we gonna have to hear this season? A serious low? god help us if we dropped to the bottom half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 A serious low? god help us if we dropped to the bottom half! and how many of our last 10 games did we win last season then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 and how many of our last 10 games did we win last season then? And? that was last season. I could say... what about January and february? we were amazing!! Its call FORM. and its gone. think about this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 And? that was last season. I could say... what about January and february? we were amazing!! Its call FORM. and its gone. think about this season Yeah your right about our form in january and february, it was good. Im just thinking that the silly mistakes and errors that ruined our end of last season are still with us, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yeah your right about our form in january and february, it was good. Im just thinking that the silly mistakes and errors that ruined our end of last season are still with us, dont you think? Yes, but they dont amount to a "serious low" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yes, but they dont amount to a "serious low" maybe a serious low might be a bit much, but to end the season with 1 win in the last 10 aint to good.anyway we are on about this season now. Im not in the starting to think johnson has gone as far as he can camp, Im just starting to get frustrated by the style of football. I know we have had a virus going round, but now that has cleared up id like to see some better football. I just dont know what to expect from them when we play blackpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 maybe a serious low might be a bit much, but to end the season with 1 win in the last 10 aint to good.anyway we are on about this season now. Im not in the starting to think johnson has gone as far as he can camp, Im just starting to get frustrated by the style of football. I know we have had a virus going round, but now that has cleared up id like to see some better football. I just dont know what to expect from them when we play blackpool I was'nt at the game, but watching the hightlights of the first half, we played some terrific football... as we did at times against scunny... I'm confident we're going in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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