greenun Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I've missed the last 2 City matches against Plymouth (with Hartley) and Barnsley (without), and ask whether the Scot's omission yesterday had a positive impact in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thornbury Red Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I've missed the last 2 City matches against Plymouth (with Hartley) and Barnsley (without), and ask whether the Scot's omission yesterday had a positive impact in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I've missed the last 2 City matches against Plymouth (with Hartley) and Barnsley (without), and ask whether the Scot's omission yesterday had a positive impact in midfield? Hartley was very good against Plymouth and MoM in many fans opinion. Big surprise not to see him start against Barnsley yesterday but City managed to win without him. More a reflection of how strong City are in the midfield department than anything to do with Hartley. Who knows - if Hartley had played yesterday City might have won 2-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 In answer to your rotten question. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Gow Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 In short NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Are we better off without him ? Dumb question. It does beg the question though, that if LJ had played against Plymouth, and been Mom in many peoples' eyes, would GJ have come out in the press and say he was changing a winning team, and promptly replace LJ with Hartley. Yes, we won, and yes , I am delighted but this is getting silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_BCFC Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmpowell Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economou Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 The stats are below P W D L F A PTS With 9 4 3 2 10 9 15 W/out 5 2 3 0 7 4 9 Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 ok so a bit harsh but imo Hartley is the best player at the club. He ooses confidence on the ball and has a passing range that is second to none. We have to remember that at the start of the season his superb long range through balls to Maynard were creating lots of chances for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 The stats are below P W D L F A PTS With 9 4 3 2 10 9 15 W/out 5 2 3 0 7 4 9 Hope this helps Not alot!! So with him, we average 1.66 pts a game. Without him the average is 1.8 pts per game. so not really sure what point is being made! Personally, i think Hartley is a great player and person to have at the club on a number of levels. Deffo better off with him involved. Although there is a fair point in saying i think he struggles with 2/3 games a week, hence the new squad rotation. Which i support, providing it is being done for the right reasons! Its great to have this level of quality competition for places! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robins72 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 i havent read if its on the website but was Hartley not playing yesterday anything to do with him going to see his son in Scotland? I know he was on the bench but is this the reason he didnt start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hartley is to the midfield what Carey is to the defence. The idea that we might be better without him is ludicrous and I would think anybody who's seen him play for us this season would see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I don't think the OP was suggesting that we should get rid of Hartley, merely which game did the midfield perform better in. whether it was with or without him? Some people are a bit touchy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economou Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Not alot!! So with him, we average 1.66 pts a game. Without him the average is 1.8 pts per game. so not really sure what point is being made! Personally, i think Hartley is a great player and person to have at the club on a number of levels. Deffo better off with him involved. Although there is a fair point in saying i think he struggles with 2/3 games a week, hence the new squad rotation. Which i support, providing it is being done for the right reasons! Its great to have this level of quality competition for places! I was showing some stats to counter the subtext of the original post. Simple fact is Hartley is 33 years of age and has not played more than 30 games in each of the previous three seasons. No doubt he is a very good player but to expect him to perform over 46 games at the intensity that GJ requires is not on and is presumably why he does not play every game. Have to trust the managers judgement on this this, but then what does he know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 No we are way better with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 The stats are below P W D L F A PTS With 9 4 3 2 10 9 15 W/out 5 2 3 0 7 4 9 Hope this helps could you do one of these for lee johnson please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 could you do one of these for lee johnson please? ....and then could you do one for Elliot...and then Skuse....and then Sno.... and then Maynard etc etc. And what will any of them prove? Nothing!! It's a team game. Unless we're able to get a Cantona, or a Maradona (probably the only players in my lifetime that could change a teams fortunes single handedly) then whether we win or lose games isn't down to one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 could you do one of these for lee johnson please? Yes, with hiom we reached the dizzy heights of automatic promotion, then without him we dropped to 4th and lost the play-off final. Anything else you'd like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 In the NHL they do a +/- rating which shows the goal difference of the team when that player is on the pitch. That's more useful than a win loss thing, because that doesn't take into accoutn goals scored before a player comes on or after they go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 I was showing some stats to counter the subtext of the original post. Simple fact is Hartley is 33 years of age and has not played more than 30 games in each of the previous three seasons. No doubt he is a very good player but to expect him to perform over 46 games at the intensity that GJ requires is not on and is presumably why he does not play every game. Have to trust the managers judgement on this this, but then what does he know ? Being 33 and Scotland not qualifying for the WC Hartley probably has played his last game for them. I don't mind a rotation between Skuse and Elliott but to keep Hartley out is weakening us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 As well as Hartley I'd drop Maynard and Carey as well. Now that is rotational?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AJ Sylvester Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Sno and Hartley are the best two players at the club IMO and just look so comfortable on the ball. I'd have both starting every week if fully fit. If we play three in midfield then I'd probably have whoever is playing best out of Marvin and Skuse. I think Skuse is great but feel over 46 games Marvin would generally have that spot. It's a delight that we have those kind of options. The fact that in many games I wouldn't even start Skuse shows how strong our central midfield is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Mark, are you on substance abuse ? Hartley would be the first pick in a 4-4-2 and only rested in a 5 man midfield with a 3 match a week schedule. Remember the match when 2 Hartley through balls resulted in 2 Maynard goals. No other player in our squad could have done that, not one ! I would place him above every other center midfielder we have and GJ needs to play him selectively. Adebola proved he could not handle a heavy schedule, Carey's injuries take longer to heal and likewise Hartley at 32 is a golden egg in the nest who we will need fit and well in April/May. Considering the heavy schedule of the Championship, I would hate the play offs, the players need a good seasons end break. For me, it has to be automatic promotion, plus a solid left wing back in January, Blackman having gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hartley is clearly one of the best players in our squad - but we have a strong squad and he will not be able to be at his best throughout the season if he plays every single game - we rested him we on we should be rejoicing in that fact but some see only conspiracy. I would expect Hartley back very soon and am happy in the knowledge that GJ will use the squad we now have to try and make sure we last the full season and don't fade out of contention as we did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifelong Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 I've missed the last 2 City matches against Plymouth (with Hartley) and Barnsley (without), and ask whether the Scot's omission yesterday had a positive impact in midfield? No but clearly you not going to the games has had an impact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Yes, with hiom we reached the dizzy heights of automatic promotion, then without him we dropped to 4th and lost the play-off final. Anything else you'd like? possibly for this season ? thanks mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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