Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bristol-City-Footbal...#ht_1016wt_1167 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 It makes me uneasy but many of the *ahem* older generation collect these and Robinsons jam used to give them away. So some people have these as collections. They aren't overtly racist in pretense but they don't sit well with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Competitively priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin1897 Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Just a pin badge to me cant see anything wrong with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 It's racist. Where's the white, yellow and red ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBlueRouge Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Just a pin badge to me cant see anything wrong with it Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookey Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Why don't people grow up and not follow every pathetic PC bandwaggon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Its a pin badge. If you like it buy it. If your asking if you should buy it based on it being a gollywog then you need to stick up for yourself and live by your own conscience. Don't just appease others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Seen that on there last night. Was almost tempted to buy it, but the PC brigade would have a field day. Really don't see the problem with it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 This opens a can of Jam, sorry worms. Golly gosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 probably from the Robinsons Jam era as people have said, who were once a large employer in this city. Not racist or offensive. Just a historic collectable, unless people chose to make it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bristol-City-Footbal...#ht_1016wt_1167 I agree with some others on this thread that I really can't see the problem. If someone doesn't like it, then don't buy it, but it's not exactly showing gollys in a negative light is it? Now if it was wearing blue and white quarters then it would be a different matter, as I would consider that extremely offensive to gollys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Not really got a problem with it. Nice piece of memorabilia if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartolona Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Collect City badges myself, 120 odd last count. Got one similar to this but it says "Bristol City" on the scarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 OK, I deliberately did'nt put any comment on my original post. I agree with the majority, I don't have a problem with it in the slightest, it is a contemporary item of it's age and not racist. However it has been pointed out that in the current PC environment we find ourselves in, I would say owning, buying or selling is fine, but how many of us would wear it overtly to a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 OK, I deliberately did'nt put any comment on my original post. I agree with the majority, I don't have a problem with it in the slightest, it is a contemporary item of it's age and not racist. However it has been pointed out that in the current PC environment we find ourselves in, I would say owning, buying or selling is fine, but how many of us would wear it overtly to a game? Good point - I wouldn't, and I think that's another reason why this country is going down the swanny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbonkingbob Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Good point - I wouldn't, and I think that's another reason why this country is going down the swanny. Quite. What kind of a country would it be if we were to actually deliberately not do things that might offend someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Quite. What kind of a country would it be if we were to actually deliberately not do things that might offend someone? Been a long day, not sure if you're with me or against me there. If you're against, I couldn't give a crap if a coloured guy, asian guy, chinese guy, whoever, wore a badge like that with a pink coloured guy on. Just in case you were wondering.......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUERNSEY TAFFY RED Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Just bought one, very collectable indeed. I also have a massive world war 2 collection of german artefacts, just have an eye for collectable items - not a racist or anti-semitic. I can buy and collect whatever i want, those that died in the war gave me that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bristol-City-Footbal...#ht_1016wt_1167 Is there one in the current away strip as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bristol-City-Footbal...#ht_1016wt_1167 What's the problem? We had an anti-racism authority closed down after they had accused an ice cream company of being racists selling an icecream called "black nogger" which of course was "black *Racist Term Removed" in their eyes and racism. Another authority was closed down after they had claimed earthworms where suffering when put on the hook I suffered Saturday! Where's my authority.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Golliwogs are racially insensitive and considered demeaning by black people. It's not uncommon for white people to crow about political correctness gone mad on this topic, but rarer to hear that view from black people. The term wog is a derivative of golliwog and the reason why the name was shortened to Golly. It's a legacy of a different era, where it was considered acceptable for Enid Blyton to write in offensive terms and call one of her golliwog characters the n word. Many racial minorities find it offensive so why persevere with it or excuse it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DanC Posted November 23, 2009 Report Share Posted November 23, 2009 Can someone explain to me why they are considered racist as i've always struggled to understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Its a badge with a black face. Is it anymore racist than one with a white face, wearing a turban or chanting Hari Crishna? I'm white, I'm not racist and I dont worry about it! It always strikes me that he people who think they might be make the biggest fuss....Take a look at yourself and if you dont think you measure up as a racist you probably dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Its a badge with a black face. Is it anymore racist than one with a white face, wearing a turban or chanting Hari Crishna? I'm white, I'm not racist and I dont worry about it! It always strikes me that he people who think they might be make the biggest fuss....Take a look at yourself and if you dont think you measure up as a racist you probably dont. It's not enough to say it's just an image with a black face though is it? The symbol has connotations. It's a bit like saying the swastika is a series of lines on a piece of paper, or calling someone a c*** and then saying it's only a word consisting of 4 letters so they shouldn't take it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 24, 2009 Admin Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 It's not enough to say it's just an image with a black face though is it? The symbol has connotations. It's a bit like saying the swastika is a series of lines on a piece of paper, or calling someone a c*** and then saying it's only a word consisting of 4 letters so they shouldn't take it personally. So many things mean different things to different people, I've just come back from India, the swastika is widely displayed, especially on the outside of temples, in decorations and on rugs to name a few. A very different meaning than it has in Europe or the States. With regard to the badge, as there are 9 available, is it really a collectable from a bygone age? If they are then fair enough, we shouldn't try to change or hide history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 It's not enough to say it's just an image with a black face though is it? The symbol has connotations. It's a bit like saying the swastika is a series of lines on a piece of paper, or calling someone a c*** and then saying it's only a word consisting of 4 letters so they shouldn't take it personally. Personally I'm happy to be called a **** in the right context. Now these gollywogs ............ If this was a new design i would be seriously worried particularly if it was official club merchandise. Thankfully its an old tin badge from the jolly jam people ...............in its context......Racist......?......Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Personally I'm happy to be called a **** in the right context. Now these gollywogs ............ If this was a new design i would be seriously worried particularly if it was official club merchandise. Thankfully its an old tin badge from the jolly jam people ...............in its context......Racist......?......Probably. Ah yes, of course - in the right context by the right person - just the same as black people can call each other the N word. Anyway, 'tis a footie forum so I'm not sure why we're discussing this (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Belgrave Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 So many things mean different things to different people, I've just come back from India, the swastika is widely displayed, especially on the outside of temples, in decorations and on rugs to name a few. A very different meaning than it has in Europe or the States. With regard to the badge, as there are 9 available, is it really a collectable from a bygone age? If they are then fair enough, we shouldn't try to change or hide history. And not just Asia. The swastika was a traditional symbol in Finland and the Baltic Countries long, long before the Nazis adopted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 Many racial minorities find it offensive so why persevere with it or excuse it? Same reason why we don't demolish all the buildings in Bristol that have connections with the slave trade. They are still very much on view to all. Same reason we don't ask for compensation from France and Italy for atrocities carried out here long ago. You will always offend someone somewhere inadvertently. How the hell can you live your life by seeking to avoid it? Surely this badge is only a bad thing if you use it for an overtly negative reason. Am I allowed to find the idea of having German people in Bristol offensive because of what they did to our once beautiful old city? Believe me, Bristol is a shadow of what it was and I'll never see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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