Ryan 7 Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 With Kalifa signing, I am wondering how he fits into the team. From my understanding he is a defensive player, so presumably he partners Skuse in the centre, none of them really possess any attacking flair. I read somewhere that Coppell likes 2 defensive cm's and two attacking wingers but I can't see that working. I am not critical of Coppell in any way, to me it sounds like a good signing I am just unsure to where he fits in and how it leaves the rest of the team and even formation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Coppell was talking alot about players being versatile and not only playing in one position. Cisse also plays centre back - so maybe this was a hint from steve and he may intend on playing him at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 With Kalifa signing, I am wondering how he fits into the team. From my understanding he is a defensive player, so presumably he partners Skuse in the centre, none of them really possess any attacking flair. I read somewhere that Coppell likes 2 defensive cm's and two attacking wingers but I can't see that working. I am not critical of Coppell in any way, to me it sounds like a good signing I am just unsure to where he fits in and how it leaves the rest of the team and even formation? tbh mate, Coppell is the man with several promotions to the top flight... If Steve's philosophy doesn't involve a luxury player like Noble or Hartley, then that's how we'll play. Also, to use the term defensive is wrong, I think the term best used to describe Skuse, Marv and Kalifa is Box to Box... which isn't defensive at all really I can't wait to see what he brings in down the flanks! and it'll be interesting to see exactly how we develop at the back... Central midfield however, looks pretty strong and athletic now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetjef Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 We certainly arent going to be found wanting for energy in centre mid now with Skuse/Elliot/Cisse all available personally i hope that Coppel has earmarked Cisse as our new centreback primarily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 With Kalifa signing, I am wondering how he fits into the team. From my understanding he is a defensive player, so presumably he partners Skuse in the centre, none of them really possess any attacking flair. I read somewhere that Coppell likes 2 defensive cm's and two attacking wingers but I can't see that working. I am not critical of Coppell in any way, to me it sounds like a good signing I am just unsure to where he fits in and how it leaves the rest of the team and even formation? Good question. How many teams in the World Cup are playing with two defensive central midfielders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Good question. How many teams in the World Cup are playing with two defensive central midfielders? I'm with JT above, defensive is the wrong word and there are different types of "deep-lying" midfield player for want of a batter phrase. Is anybody suggesting Elliott and Skuse don't cross the half way line? But to answer your question, Brazil have done so since 1984 and most of the best sides in this World cup do the same. Indeed Argentina's downfall was partly down to only having one player in midfield at all against Germany. Maradona fantasised that just sticking five attacking players on the pitch was enough. Not these days it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan 7 Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I'm with JT above, defensive is the wrong word and there are different types of "deep-lying" midfield player for want of a batter phrase. Is anybody suggesting Elliott and Skuse don't cross the half way line? But to answer your question, Brazil have done so since 1984 and most of the best sides in this World cup do the same. Indeed Argentina's downfall was partly down to only having one player in midfield at all against Germany. Maradona fantasised that just sticking five attacking players on the pitch was enough. Not these days it isn't. OK fair enough, I can see a Skuse, Cisse partnership then with probably JCR, and well the other side is up for grabs, he may go for JCR on the left and have competiting Adomah, Sproule and Haynes or play Adomah on the left. I still have a feeling he wants a left sided midfielder though so we'll have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Interesting that EVERY team that got to the last 8 of the world cup finals played with two holding midfielders. What more proof do we need ,Coppell knows what hes doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 I'm with JT above, defensive is the wrong word and there are different types of "deep-lying" midfield player for want of a batter phrase. Is anybody suggesting Elliott and Skuse don't cross the half way line? But to answer your question, Brazil have done so since 1984 and most of the best sides in this World cup do the same. Indeed Argentina's downfall was partly down to only having one player in midfield at all against Germany. Maradona fantasised that just sticking five attacking players on the pitch was enough. Not these days it isn't. Elliott and Skuse are hardly offering anything in the offensive play. They should concentrate on what they are good at - tracking back. Concentrating on this they can allow a more gifted central midfielder - "holding" or not - room for some entertainment. Two donkeys in central midfield don't make anyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Good question. How many teams in the World Cup are playing with two defensive central midfielders? All the successful teams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 IN COPPELL I TRUST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 All the successful teams! At least one of those two players are constructive offering something going forward. Both of them are hardly defensive central midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 At least one of those two players are constructive offering something going forward. Both of them are hardly defensive central midfielders. But they all play a short passing game, including the ones you describe as defensive. As I say, not an old fashioned playmaker in sight. Nor of course did Steve have any such player in his Reading side. Harper and Sidwell certainly don't fit the description. We'd better get used to it. Personally I have no problem with that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 At least one of those two players are constructive offering something going forward. Both of them are hardly defensive central midfielders. I agree, but there main job is to hold when they have to, they insure that the more attacking players can try things. If they lose the ball theres always cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DElliottBCFC Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Personally, i wouldnt mind a formation like brazil play, 4 at the back, 2 defensive midfielders and then two wingers which play slightly higher up the pitch and a man just behind maynard, more attacking midfielder than centre foward and obviously a striker up top on his own. Its not like he would be alone up there as he would have to two wingers and the attacking midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben91tucker Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Perhaps SC has a plan to mould either Skuse or Elliott into right back, tell Orr to do one. Cisse driving the midfield along side a play maker. Job is a good un! He could do as Marv has played right back before once for us and he played a couple of times for millwall including the fa cup final. Think i would prefer a natural right back to come in if Orr does go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Cisse sounds similar to Skuse and Elliott. I think the chances are we'll be playing 2 holding midfielders. Alternatively... someone's leaving.... Weren't Stoke after Skuse a while ago? Aren't we after Kitson of Stoke??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 to be honest is way too early to speculate about who will be playing where not even had pre season! but but if we don't bring in any more defenders in wouldn't be suprised to see cisse in CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 whoops guess i shouldnt have started a new topic without reading this fully sorry mods but i guess ive sort of made it a clearer topic???? trying to find a cover story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Chelt Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Personally, i wouldnt mind a formation like brazil play, 4 at the back, 2 defensive midfielders and then two wingers which play slightly higher up the pitch and a man just behind maynard, more attacking midfielder than centre foward and obviously a striker up top on his own. Its not like he would be alone up there as he would have to two wingers and the attacking midfielder. Exactly my thoughts. The only question is whether Maynard can play up front on his own - he would still be the tip of the diamond regardless of the support from the flanks or from a player 'in the hole'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetjef Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Cisse sounds similar to Skuse and Elliott. I think the chances are we'll be playing 2 holding midfielders. Alternatively... someone's leaving.... Weren't Stoke after Skuse a while ago? Aren't we after Kitson of Stoke??? interesting point it would be a shame to see one of our best homegrown players used as a makeweight in a deal for a gamble on a high earning player who is getting on a bit,and allegedly might be a bit of a troublemaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetjef Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Exactly my thoughts. The only question is whether Maynard can play up front on his own - he would still be the tip of the diamond regardless of the support from the flanks or from a player 'in the hole'... i reckon he probably could providing the hole player got right up close to him, like Ozil does for germany however from what readings fans say Coppel has apparently stuck religiously to a 442 for years so perhaps this will be unlikely anywyay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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