Superjack Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 I personally think that KM should go, but the noises from SL seem to suggest that this is not about to happen. So, if we are stuck with 'Keef', what can be done to turn things around? I have a lot of problems with KM, most of which could easily fall under the general banner of 'cluelessness'. However, my main concern is his apparent inability to motivate. This is why I honestly believe the appointment of Steve Wigley to be nothing short of a disaster. People on this forum have asked what exactly Wigley brings to the table. The only answer anybody gives is 'contacts'. He has involvement with the England U21's. We have a current U21 on loan in Danny Rose. In addition, we have his club team-mate Steven Caulker. We also have KM waxing lyrical about his own hard work in 'forging links with Spurs'. So, how much is down to Wigley?? I would suggest that we don't really need U21's on loan as much as somebody that can actually motivate the players that we currently have. It has become apparent that both KM and SW have an inability to do this. Now, correct me if I am wrong (the passing years and pints do affect the memory), but when Mr. Millen was playing at the heart of the City defence, did he not have a certain Mr. Shaun Taylor alongside him? The same Shaun Taylor that epitomised blood, guts, fight and passion. I am not aware of Mr. Taylor's current whereabouts or activities, but I have a feeling that if SL were to drop him a line and offer him a half decent wage to help out,he would probably be at least interested. Ok, ST will never make a manager (IMO), but in any partnership you have to have a compliment of attributes. If we must stick with Mr. Millen, then let him do the thinking and let someone like Mr. Taylor (as opposed to Mr. Wigley) do the motivating. For those that went to the Watford game (for example), can you imagine what Shaun Taylor would have done when the players came in at half-time? I can. He would have at least instilled some fire in their bellies and at most kicked seven bells of **** out of them. And before anybody mentions 'GJ' and 'Plymouth', can I just point out that Shaun Taylor is roughly twice the size of Johnson (so if any player would want to pick a fight with ST, all I can say is good luck to them!). Anyway, sorry for the essay. In summary.... SHAUN TAYLOR FOR ASSISTANT MANAGER!!! ...or KM to go now. Anyone agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Currently youth team coach at Exeter City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 adams is in uzbekistan.... seriouly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 yea what a great idea lets sack one manager because he's got no experance and replace him with another manager with no expreance........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 No, we need experience at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Would that be the same Shaun Taylor that was sacked when assistent manager at FGR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie from barrow gurney Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Good article I read in the past few days on Chairman knee jerking from one manager to the next, replacing outspoken ones with quiet thinkers then replacing with outspoken again, or managers with huge experience being replaced by young rookies then back to experience again, largely under pressure from fans who threaten or actually do walk with their feet. The chairman see revenues dipping, hear the abuse as they move through a city and then just react to try and deaden the negativity by hiring new blood - which works for a while but of course if fans think they forced the last decision then they only start behaving the same way the next time they start to struggle.. The article was written around the FA and the England manager, but it struck me that it also applies to us. I don't know the answer, but I would advise most people to be careful what they wish for. As ever, 2 wins in a row will change the world. How many people moaning last year about "winning ugly" with non-attacking football under GJ are now also moaning about "losing pretty" given our new attacking style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Would that be the same Shaun Taylor that was sacked when assistent manager at FGR? the same Shaun taylor that coached a side I played against at under 16's.. and we smacked 5-0 (and we were shit.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 the same Shaun taylor that coached a side I played against at under 16's.. and we smacked 5-0 (and we were shit.) OK, fair point. Perhaps he's not up to the coaching side then. Still wish he was in the dressing room though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderSomerset Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 If you are looking for a man to motivate the players, then he is already at the club... Get Mr Murray in the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 No, we need experience at the moment. Totally agree Randy. That's exactly why Millen has to go, but we are also lacking motivation and passion. At least Taylor could provide that. If you are looking for a man to motivate the players, then he is already at the club... Get Mr Murray in the dressing room. Worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 If you are looking for a man to motivate the players, then he is already at the club... Get Mr Murray in the dressing room. oh jesus.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Don't know about Assistant Manager, I'd be quite happy to stick him in the middle of the defence, even if he is about 50! Couldn't do much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 we can't get murray in the dressing room he is contracted to play for Bath City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderSomerset Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 oh jesus.......... Care to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Care to explain? care to explain why you think Murray would be useful in the changing room?? please dont say as assistant either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 I always thought Shaun Taylor was an aggressive and loud leader on the pitch but a comparatively mild mannered and quiet chap off it. It doesn't always follow that the on pitch persona displayed during matches carries on into everyday life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 care to explain why you think Murray would be useful in the changing room?? please dont say as assistant either It would'nt exactly do any harm would it? Scotty was a big personality in the dressing room - One of the reasons that GJ wanted to keep scott at the club - because he was a positive influence. Not a crazy idea from CiderSomerset IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffhead Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Great ex players dont make good managers, ie Tinman.What we need is a experienced manager who can get the players playing in the right positions and the right formation, as we got a good squad of players down the gate, bar a left back and playmaker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 It would'nt exactly do any harm would it? Scotty was a big personality in the dressing room - One of the reasons that GJ wanted to keep scott at the club - because he was a positive influence. Not a crazy idea from CiderSomerset IMO. it makes me laugh how people think, just because someone was "popular in the dressing room", they will automatically be able to make a difference. Scott was loved, but im certain it wasnt because he was a leader on the pitch, more down to the fact he was a joker, a clown, and a jolly nice fellow. What we need is a manager and coaching staff who can actually add new ideas to this extremely stale set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Scott was loved, but im certain it wasnt because he was a leader on the pitch, more down to the fact he was a joker, a clown, and a jolly nice fellow So he could help with team morale? which is very important What we need is a manager and coaching staff who can actually add new ideas to this extremely stale set up Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderSomerset Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 care to explain why you think Murray would be useful in the changing room?? please dont say as assistant either I didnt say as assistant... His personality alone may be enough to give the players a lift when it was needed - and it needs lifting at the moment. Millen isnt exactly Mr Charisma is he, so somebody with a bit of life about them may help raise morale. With regards to the management team, we need a new, experienced manager and if he wants to bring his own coaching staff with him, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Great ex players dont make good managers, ie Tinman.What we need is a experienced manager who can get the players playing in the right positions and the right formation, as we got a good squad of players down the gate, bar a left back and playmaker... Who said anything about 'manager'? Read the thread again please. In my original post, I was merely stating that if we must stick with KM we also need someone to fire the players up. Taylor IMO could do this. For what it's worth, I agree that we need an experienced manager, which is why we should not be sticking with KM at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Good article I read in the past few days on Chairman knee jerking from one manager to the next, replacing outspoken ones with quiet thinkers then replacing with outspoken again, or managers with huge experience being replaced by young rookies then back to experience again, largely under pressure from fans who threaten or actually do walk with their feet. The chairman see revenues dipping, hear the abuse as they move through a city and then just react to try and deaden the negativity by hiring new blood - which works for a while but of course if fans think they forced the last decision then they only start behaving the same way the next time they start to struggle.. The article was written around the FA and the England manager, but it struck me that it also applies to us. I don't know the answer, but I would advise most people to be careful what they wish for. As ever, 2 wins in a row will change the world. How many people moaning last year about "winning ugly" with non-attacking football under GJ are now also moaning about "losing pretty" given our new attacking style? Yes, I spotted that. Unless there have been two such articles recently, I think you're referring to Jim White writing in the Telegraph sports pages today. I am not normally a Telegraph reader but happened to see it and very relevant it was to our situation, too, as you say. It was written in response to the suggestion that McLaren might one day return as England manager and should be required reading for everyone who can't wait to sack the current City manager. Be careful what you wish for indeed. Good shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted October 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 I always thought Shaun Taylor was an aggressive and loud leader on the pitch but a comparatively mild mannered and quiet chap off it. It doesn't always follow that the on pitch persona displayed during matches carries on into everyday life. Fair point Nogbad, but I would suggest that if he was a warrior on the pitch he would probably be the same in the dressing room, particularly if that was his given role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 If you are looking for a man to motivate the players, then he is already at the club... Get Mr Murray in the dressing room. forget Scott for the moment... How about giving Derren Brown a try? Dont know if he's done the sports motivation stuff BUT it couldnt do any harm... would create a bit of a buzz (& pi$ taking too - but so what as long as we all BELIEVED -like the players would be believing if Derren was doing his thing! ) ...look into my eyes! .. He'd cost a few Bob but points & goals are like golddust to us at the moment.. - worth a try innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 I didnt say as assistant... His personality alone may be enough to give the players a lift when it was needed - and it needs lifting at the moment. Millen isnt exactly Mr Charisma is he, so somebody with a bit of life about them may help raise morale. With regards to the management team, we need a new, experienced manager and if he wants to bring his own coaching staff with him, then so be it. Maybe we should get lenny henry or someone in to ''raise the morale'' instead?.. Seriously as much as i like Scott Murray i dont think he would help things one iota. Totally agree with your last point, an experienced hard nosed manager is the ONLY and i repeat ONLY solotution at this stage. Gary Megson or somebody of that ilk is what we need. Hopefully then Millen can drop down a level or two and get some proper managerial experience instead of being thrusted in well above his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Planet Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 I agree that Shaun Taylor was a proper "Warrior" on the pitch for us but management material ? Forget it. Do you remember that when he was interviewed on local radio he used the word "whatever" a lot, so he would say stuff like "well their number ten was good in the air, whatever, but we closed him down, whatever and in the end, whatever, we were the better team. Committed. passionate player though and a nice bloke off the pitch - as has been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Parson St Station Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 Im almost boring myself writing this again, but I agree with most of you that a new manager must be one who takes no BS from anyone, from the chairman to the tea lady. Gary Megson. Available. Proven and not afraid to tell this mob exactly what they are expected to do on and off the pitch. Id have him in before Cardiff, and Id then give us a chance of actually being competetive. Carry on with KM and we are royally screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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