Jordan Tansley Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We conceded an early Pen. This meant our game plan was thrown out of the window and we had to chase the game rather than try keep hold of the ball a little more. Norwich are more than likely going to get promoted to the Premier League, They are a better side than us. The fact that Lansbury is on the bench for them says just how much better they are. We conceded two in the last minute. Without a couple of mistakes at the end of the game we would have got a(n underserved) draw. No team in the championship plays well every game, Why anyone expects us to I have no idea. I am as upset as the rest of you, Conceding late and playing badly is annoying... But lets not act like this is a result that came out of the blue or anything like that. We've gone on a good run of form where we've beaten very good teams, We've avoided relegation and we've shown that the team has a decent core that can develop next season.... So shh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectMayhem Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP8 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 well said mate whateva game plan or tactics you go out with if you give away a pen after 40 seconds then not alot you can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think we are just 2 to 3 players away from being a very god team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Amazed everyone doesn't have this view. Sure it's annoying that we were this disappointing on the telly but we were outplayed by a better team. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Positive and correct thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We were awful - but I didn't expect anything from this game TBH. There was a chasm of quality between us. We are a lower half of the table side and they have always looked Top 6. As soon as Lansbury came on, I knew he'd score against us. Our only hope at that stage was a sniper in the stands!!! *PS: JOKE* I agree with the OP that it needn't be too significant a result all things considered. Not sure many of the remaining games will be very significant either .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We conceded an early Pen. This meant our game plan was thrown out of the window and we had to chase the game rather than try keep hold of the ball a little more. Norwich are more than likely going to get promoted to the Premier League, They are a better side than us. The fact that Lansbury is on the bench for them says just how much better they are. We conceded two in the last minute. Without a couple of mistakes at the end of the game we would have got a(n underserved) draw. No team in the championship plays well every game, Why anyone expects us to I have no idea. I am as upset as the rest of you, Conceding late and playing badly is annoying... But lets not act like this is a result that came out of the blue or anything like that. We've gone on a good run of form where we've beaten very good teams, We've avoided relegation and we've shown that the team has a decent core that can develop next season.... So shh? All very true however, I and few others are finding difficult to understand the set up of the defence. I for one would love to know exactly what instructions were given to Nyatanga, because he was never once in the the left full position, Woolford appeared to be playing full back in the first half, when he brought on JCR and Pitman, again it appeared to me as if he was expecting Pitman to play as a wing back, JCR played in the middle of midfield, i'm sorry I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We conceded an early Pen. This meant our game plan was thrown out of the window and we had to chase the game rather than try keep hold of the ball a little more. Norwich are more than likely going to get promoted to the Premier League, They are a better side than us. The fact that Lansbury is on the bench for them says just how much better they are. We conceded two in the last minute. Without a couple of mistakes at the end of the game we would have got a(n underserved) draw. No team in the championship plays well every game, Why anyone expects us to I have no idea. I am as upset as the rest of you, Conceding late and playing badly is annoying... But lets not act like this is a result that came out of the blue or anything like that. We've gone on a good run of form where we've beaten very good teams, We've avoided relegation and we've shown that the team has a decent core that can develop next season.... So shh? Very good post as you rightly say we have avoided relegation (or as good as avoided relegation) and given the season we have had that had to be the primary goal. Even after our recent run of wins I would have viewed a point against a team like Norwich at Carrow Rd as an excellent result. Norwich were the best team and deserved to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 All very true however, I and few others are finding difficult to understand the set up of the defence. I for one would love to know exactly what instructions were given to Nyatanga, because he was never once in the the left full position, Woolford appeared to be playing full back in the first half, when he brought on JCR and Pitman, again it appeared to me as if he was expecting Pitman to play as a wing back, JCR played in the middle of midfield, i'm sorry I don't get it. I think we just had an off night and buckled under the pressure of Norwich. We simply dropped far too deep which meant that Woolford was completely non-existant going forward. Agree that Nyatanga was out of position at times but I'd imagine that was more due to him reacting badly to the pressure rather then Millen's instructions. Pitman was clearly supposed to be on the left-wing but due to the intense pressure and how deep we'd dropped was just dragged into our own half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We conceded an early Pen. This meant our game plan was thrown out of the window and we had to chase the game rather than try keep hold of the ball a little more. Norwich are more than likely going to get promoted to the Premier League, They are a better side than us. The fact that Lansbury is on the bench for them says just how much better they are. We conceded two in the last minute. Without a couple of mistakes at the end of the game we would have got a(n underserved) draw. No team in the championship plays well every game, Why anyone expects us to I have no idea. I am as upset as the rest of you, Conceding late and playing badly is annoying... But lets not act like this is a result that came out of the blue or anything like that. We've gone on a good run of form where we've beaten very good teams, We've avoided relegation and we've shown that the team has a decent core that can develop next season.... So shh? good post, I thought JCR looked quite good surprisingly. We know this team needs a revamp - lets wait until the summer and regroup - this season is a write off but we're pretty much safe now so relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We conceded an early Pen. This meant our game plan was thrown out of the window and we had to chase the game rather than try keep hold of the ball a little more. Norwich are more than likely going to get promoted to the Premier League, They are a better side than us. The fact that Lansbury is on the bench for them says just how much better they are. We conceded two in the last minute. Without a couple of mistakes at the end of the game we would have got a(n underserved) draw. No team in the championship plays well every game, Why anyone expects us to I have no idea. I am as upset as the rest of you, Conceding late and playing badly is annoying... But lets not act like this is a result that came out of the blue or anything like that. We've gone on a good run of form where we've beaten very good teams, We've avoided relegation and we've shown that the team has a decent core that can develop next season.... So shh? There is a lot of truth in your post imho. But i'm confused by your statement about 'No team in the Championship, plays well everygame'... Yes, we have gained some points recently, but when was the last time we played well? A few one off's, this season and that's it. It was only four seasons ago that we were almost in Norwich's position. And playing as well as them. How low our expectations have become. And how easily the fans are drawn into excepting this. If we had hung on for a point tonight, would you have said we had played well? Not a dig...just interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I did not think we were awful - we created a number of chances and while it was certainly a backs against the wall display we could and perhaps should have come away with a point. At 1-1 there was the chance to snatch a win and Norwich certainly had the odd scare at the back. Our back 4 were hugely committed but we lacked the creativity that norwich had in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 3 shocking mistakes at the back all got punished, we were poor today so all in all we got what we deserved, time to move on to Saturdays game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think we just had an off night and buckled under the pressure of Norwich. We simply dropped far too deep which meant that Woolford was completely non-existant going forward. Agree that Nyatanga was out of position at times but I'd imagine that was more due to him reacting badly to the pressure rather then Millen's instructions. Pitman was clearly supposed to be on the left-wing but due to the intense pressure and how deep we'd dropped was just dragged into our own half. Nyatanga was out of position all night, he played more like a centre back, Pitman on the left wing FFS, OK Albert looked dangerous up front but Pitman is a striker he ain't a left winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellRedPhil Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Nyatanga was out of position all night, he played more like a centre back, Pitman on the left wing FFS, OK Albert looked dangerous up front but Pitman is a striker he ain't a left winger. I know he isn't a left winger I'm just saying that was clearly supposed to be on the left side in an attacvking role but due to how deep we were he barely got out of his own half. He's been used on the left side of a three pronged attack with some success of late so that will have been Millen's thinking but of course we rarely got to see him going forward with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 There is a lot of truth in your post imho. But i'm confused by your statement about 'No team in the Championship, plays well everygame'... Yes, we have gained some points recently, but when was the last time we played well? A few one off's, this season and that's it. It was only four seasons ago that we were almost in Norwich's position. And playing as well as them. How low our expectations have become. And how easily the fans are drawn into excepting this. If we had hung on for a point tonight, would you have said we had played well? Not a dig...just interested. Had we hung on and not made those two mistakes then I'd have said we defended well yes. Fontaine and Caulker both made a few last ditch blocks along with some good keeping from DJ. To stop Norwich from scoring in open play would have been a fantastic effort would you not agree? I would have said we were lucky considering the posession and play Norwich had, But they created very little to be fair. Three mistakes cost us the goals. Fine lines and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 It is not the result but the manner of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 All very true however, I and few others are finding difficult to understand the set up of the defence. I for one would love to know exactly what instructions were given to Nyatanga, because he was never once in the the left full position, Woolford appeared to be playing full back in the first half, when he brought on JCR and Pitman, again it appeared to me as if he was expecting Pitman to play as a wing back, JCR played in the middle of midfield, i'm sorry I don't get it. Regardless of the set up or personnel the defence has been a shambles for 3 years. The opposition has to do very little to score (all 3 goals tonight involved players simply walking through the defence, a frequent event for us). We will be ok next year if Keith recognises the need for an overhaul, though I fear it will be much the same suspects Willing to bet Carey and McAllister will remain automatic choices for instance. Unless of course to be regarded as positive you have to pretend the defence is hunky dory. And yes Keith did try to be too clever again tonight with what seemed to be a return to the failed wing back system, a habit I thought he had got out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Had we hung on and not made those two mistakes then I'd have said we defended well yes. Fontaine and Caulker both made a few last ditch blocks along with some good keeping from DJ. To stop Norwich from scoring in open play would have been a fantastic effort would you not agree? I would have said we were lucky considering the posession and play Norwich had, But they created very little to be fair. Three mistakes cost us the goals. Fine lines and all that. Stopping any side from scoring in open play in this league, is an achievement, and should be applauded. However, if KM continues to play the tactics he is adopting, it will catch up with us, like it did tonight. You cannot, defend and soak up pressure every game, and expect to score on the counter attack every game. It might work sometimes, but tonight, regardless of the Penalty, I think he got his tactics wrong against Norwich tonight. You cannot concede 65% of posession and not expect to be knackered by the end of the game. No wonder we conceeded late. Anyway...We'll probably play the same way on Saturday and win, and all will be rosey in the land City again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Ashton Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 So plan B appeared to be: 1. pass to team mate 2. pass to team mate 3. pass to Norwich player Or in a couple of player's cases: kick the ball long to a Norwich player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Stopping any side from scoring in open play in this league, is an achievement, and should be applauded. However, if KM continues to play the tactics he is adopting, it will catch up with us, like it did tonight. You cannot, defend and soak up pressure every game, and expect to score on the counter attack every game. It might work sometimes, but tonight, regardless of the Penalty, I think he got his tactics wrong against Norwich tonight. You cannot concede 65% of posession and not expect to be knackered by the end of the game. No wonder we conceeded late. Anyway...We'll probably play the same way on Saturday and win, and all will be rosey in the land City again. I suppose you have to look at our squad to see the reason we play this way. We have pace up front and on the wing areas and we have an abundance of battling midfielders, So our strengths are in turning the ball over in midfield and hitting teams on the break. Away from home it's probably the best way to play to get decent results, Proven by the fact that we've done pretty well away from AG this season. Next season hopefully we will add a few players who will add a couple more dimensions to our squad. I don't think you can downplay the importance of that early penalty, Conceding that early is always going to alter the way the team can execute the game plan, Had we held on to 0-0 for half an hour we might have had more opportunities to keep the ball and play it wide quicker... It's all specualtion of course, but I think that early first goal had a big bearing on our performance. What I will say is, Norwich had 65% of the possession, but they didn't create an abundance of chances, So we weren't soaking up the pressure for 90 minutes as you put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted March 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Stopping any side from scoring in open play in this league, is an achievement, and should be applauded. However, if KM continues to play the tactics he is adopting, it will catch up with us, like it did tonight. You cannot, defend and soak up pressure every game, and expect to score on the counter attack every game. It might work sometimes, but tonight, regardless of the Penalty, I think he got his tactics wrong against Norwich tonight. You cannot concede 65% of posession and not expect to be knackered by the end of the game. No wonder we conceeded late. Anyway...We'll probably play the same way on Saturday and win, and all will be rosey in the land City again. I suppose you have to look at our squad to see the reason we play this way. We have pace up front and on the wing areas and we have an abundance of battling midfielders, So our strengths are in turning the ball over in midfield and hitting teams on the break. Away from home it's probably the best way to play to get decent results, Proven by the fact that we've done pretty well away from AG this season. Next season hopefully we will add a few players who will add a couple more dimensions to our squad. I don't think you can downplay the importance of that early penalty, Conceding that early is always going to alter the way the team can execute the game plan, Had we held on to 0-0 for half an hour we might have had more opportunities to keep the ball and play it wide quicker... It's all specualtion of course, but I think that early first goal had a big bearing on our performance. What I will say is, Norwich had 65% of the possession, but they didn't create an abundance of chances, So we weren't soaking up the pressure for 90 minutes as you put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 We conceded an early Pen. This meant our game plan was thrown out of the window and we had to chase the game rather than try keep hold of the ball a little more. Norwich are more than likely going to get promoted to the Premier League, They are a better side than us. The fact that Lansbury is on the bench for them says just how much better they are. We conceded two in the last minute. Without a couple of mistakes at the end of the game we would have got a(n underserved) draw. No team in the championship plays well every game, Why anyone expects us to I have no idea. I am as upset as the rest of you, Conceding late and playing badly is annoying... But lets not act like this is a result that came out of the blue or anything like that. We've gone on a good run of form where we've beaten very good teams, We've avoided relegation and we've shown that the team has a decent core that can develop next season.... So shh? sign Gradel,Howson, Naughton, Sol campbell ,Betrand job done win the league 2011/2012 job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Did nobody else notice that Norwich actually played really well? They followed up an early goal with closing down absolutely all over the pitch giving us no time at all, they were dangerous down both flanks and they had a real line leader in Holt and a proper passing midfielder in Hoolahan. We were down three starters, we had a loanee youngster playing RB and a centre half playing left back, and even without the injuries we'd still be three or four players short of where Norwich's first XI were. Our recent run of wins has come against bottom half sides with the exception of mid table Watford and if you were expecting anything other than a very difficult evening when we were away at a top four side you weren't being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Norwich did well and opened us up quite a few times. But the goals we actually gave away were so soft. It was disapointing to not claim a point after we had got back to level from nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kachina Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 We were beaten by a better team with better players. To think we could have had Grant Holt all them years ago as well !! We saw today a team we desire to be like who have come up from the league below us. The key factor tonight was several players were shown up to not been good enough to make the next step up or compete with the best in this league. We need to reflect on tonight's game positively and look towards bringing in the quality we need for a good 2011 - 2012 season. Norwich are a good team make no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Willing to bet Carey and McAllister will remain automatic choices for instance. I genuinely believe Carey and Macca would've been better for us tonight than what we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Did nobody else notice that Norwich actually played really well? They followed up an early goal with closing down absolutely all over the pitch giving us no time at all, they were dangerous down both flanks and they had a real line leader in Holt and a proper passing midfielder in Hoolahan. We were down three starters, we had a loanee youngster playing RB and a centre half playing left back, and even without the injuries we'd still be three or four players short of where Norwich's first XI were. Our recent run of wins has come against bottom half sides with the exception of mid table Watford and if you were expecting anything other than a very difficult evening when we were away at a top four side you weren't being realistic. We were beaten by a better team with better players. To think we could have had Grant Holt all them years ago as well !! We saw today a team we desire to be like who have come up from the league below us. The key factor tonight was several players were shown up to not been good enough to make the next step up or compete with the best in this league. We need to reflect on tonight's game positively and look towards bringing in the quality we need for a good 2011 - 2012 season. Norwich are a good team make no doubt about it. Both spot on, plus the OP. Won't wash with certain people though, most of whom were probably seriously thinking we could get in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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