The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There's no money, it's as simple as that, we are stuck with what we have got, if Millen goes then an appointment within the club would be made. Of course the statement above is just made up (maybe true) but the lack of communication from the current chairman is leading every Tom, Dick and Harry to their own conclusions (including me), the only thing that is 100% sure is that this club is going to the dogs, something's not right and the longer it's left the worse it's going to get. 20 Years ago we'd all be making our feelings known at Ashton Gate, the invention of the internet has given us a platform to air our grievances and opinions but it's also made us physically apathetic! In the days before blogs and forums etc, we'd let our voices be heard and our banners be seen, we'd let the board, manger or players know by standing in the carpark or outside the executive entrances, I think it's time to take it back to the old school and let the powers that be know that we won't except the current situation, league one is NOT an option.
Monkeh Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 they are starting to make feelings known in the stands now, his days are numbered, avg attendance is down by over 2000 there is booing and chants of Millen out
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 they are starting to make feelings known in the stands now, his days are numbered, avg attendance is down by over 2000 there is booing and chants of Millen out Starting yeah but did you see the effect that Blackburns liitle demo had on the players, manager and the media coverage they received. Ian not saying that little Bristol City would get the same coverage but we'd certainly get taken notice of. It's our club, it's our job to make a difference. If we do nothing and the worst happens then, we can't moan about it.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I well remember a demonstration against Alan Dicks outside the Williams after a match when we were struggling in Div. 2 after being relegated from the top flight. Must have been Autumn 1980. Probably only a few hundred but the mood was furious, and the fans were aggressive and persistent enough for the police to move in and drag fans away. I remember one bloke being dragged away and shouting, "You can't be a ******* Bristol copper or you wouldn't be doing this." Times have indeed changed.
Frome Valley Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I well remember a demonstration against Alan Dicks outside the Williams after a match when we were struggling in Div. 2 after being relegated from the top flight. Must have been Autumn 1980. Probably only a few hundred but the mood was furious, and the fans were aggressive and persistent enough for the police to move in and drag fans away. I remember one bloke being dragged away and shouting, "You can't be a ******* Bristol copper or you wouldn't be doing this." Times have indeed changed. There were no demonstrations v Cooper, just a feeling of resignation that it was time for him to go. I don't buy this apathetic argument. It has never been easier for fans to organise themslves. No protests, no petitions, no marches could mean the depth of the anti's is shallow.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There were no demonstrations v Cooper, just a feeling of resignation that it was time for him to go. I don't buy this apathetic argument. It has never been easier for fans to organise themslves. No protests, no petitions, no marches could mean the depth of the anti's is shallow. I wasn't talking about TC - the fans held him in very high esteem and all were sad to see it finish the way it did. Fans are much more apathetic these days than 30 years ago. When you see so many state they have abandoned going to matches rather than continue attending and let their feelings be known then there has been a big change. With Millen perhaps fans are also holding back because he was SL's personal choice and shouting for his head would seem like criticism of a well liked and respected Chairman. Having said that there was no question of the depth of anti Millen feeling amongst the crowd leaving the ground last night.
Robbored Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There's no money, it's as simple as that, we are stuck with what we have got, if Millen goes then an appointment within the club would be made. Of course the statement above is just made up (maybe true) but the lack of communication from the current chairman is leading every Tom, Dick and Harry to their own conclusions (including me), the only thing that is 100% sure is that this club is going to the dogs, something's not right and the longer it's left the worse it's going to get. 20 Years ago we'd all be making our feelings known at Ashton Gate, the invention of the internet has given us a platform to air our grievances and opinions but it's also made us physically apathetic! In the days before blogs and forums etc, we'd let our voices be heard and our banners be seen, we'd let the board, manger or players know by standing in the carpark or outside the executive entrances, I think it's time to take it back to the old school and let the powers that be know that we won't except the current situation, league one is NOT an option. The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 There were no demonstrations v Cooper, just a feeling of resignation that it was time for him to go. I don't buy this apathetic argument. It has never been easier for fans to organise themslves. No protests, no petitions, no marches could mean the depth of the anti's is shallow. I honestly don't think it's that shallow, but you are entitled to your opinion. If all those (myself included) that aren't happy and those that stayed away the past couple of games got organised the numbers would be in the thousands, the club would soon wake up once the clubs name was dragged through the local/regional/national media dirt.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced. Not at all, Wigley was Millen's choice as assistant, so no reason at all why he would or should stay on if Millen goes. SL surely wouldn't make the same mistake again by appointing from within.
Dolman Block B Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced. No chance of that, same ideals and all that. New strong management, that simple
Us_and_Them Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced. How can it get any worse?
NOTR Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 How can it get any worse? Answers on a post card please.
Monkeh Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced. thats the problem, there has been no new ideas for 4 years now, this is Johnson's brand of football becasue thats who teflon learnt from, You hated gary and his brand of football but are so blinded by your faith to keef that you can't see whats infront of you, If we play like we did for 90 minutes on saturday and the following 5 league games picking up a minimum of 12 points then feel free to get back on your high horse, Reading Sexston's interview its preety plain to see that if we don't get a win or at least a draw with a outstanding performance then keef and wiggles will be gone in the international break, as for protesting I am so strongly against it at it achieves nothing of use apart some 5 minutes of fame and 6 months of ridicule
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced. The problem is, if nothing is done then we will get relegated, lookna the table it doesn't lie. What's more worrying is that if Wiggley is appointed, his appointment pretty much means we are skint. If we are skint then why are the board and Millen contradicting eachother by saying different things, why was he allowed to buy, Bolasie, Taylor etc, why didn't we accept bids for Maynard, why did we get Spence in and not play him etc, etc, etc. Something is not right, and I won't be happy until someone takes some responsibly and answers sone questions.
Frome Valley Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I wasn't talking about TC - the fans held him in very high esteem and all were sad to see it finish the way it did. Fans are much more apathetic these days than 30 years ago. When you see so many state they have abandoned going to matches rather than continue attending and let their feelings be known then there has been a big change. With Millen perhaps fans are also holding back because he was SL's personal choice and shouting for his head would seem like criticism of a well liked and respected Chairman. Having said that there was no question of the depth of anti Millen feeling amongst the crowd leaving the ground last night. City fans have not always gone down the car park route. Abandoning matches, huge gate drops and Kew out Osman out did for Osman. There was every question about the depth of anti Keith Millen feeling last night as the support was excellent. Fans have organised campaigns in the last ten years re EE and new gound one of which Steve Lansdown was against. City fans have also boycotted bubble trips. This apathy is obvioulsy selective, bit weird this when there is such a rich history of City fans not being apathetic at all.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 thats the problem, there has been no new ideas for 4 years now, this is Johnson's brand of football becasue thats who teflon learnt from, You hated gary and his brand of football but are so blinded by your faith to keef that you can't see whats infront of you, If we play like we did for 90 minutes on saturday and the following 5 league games picking up a minimum of 12 points then feel free to get back on your high horse, Reading Sexston's interview its preety plain to see that if we don't get a win or at least a draw with a outstanding performance then keef and wiggles will be gone in the international break, as for protesting I am so strongly against it at it achieves nothing of use apart some 5 minutes of fame and 6 months of ridicule Id disagree about protesting, it has its place. Cardiff and Brighton, they both did pretty well after protesting against unsuccessful regimes, councils etc.
NOTR Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 When you said old school,I thought you meant in a 70s 80s terrace culture stylee,probably not acceptable today.
Riaz Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There was every question about the depth of anti Keith Millen feeling last night as the support was excellent. We want city to do well and that is the whole point at the end of the day. The support was excellent - because the performance was excellent. Loads were chanting millen out at the final whistle
Monkeh Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Id disagree about protesting, it has its place. Cardiff and Brighton, they both did pretty well after protesting against unsuccessful regimes, councils etc. I can agree with that, Things are bad but they are no where near a protest stage yet, They've just got to the anti millen chants stage Protest is far away yet, these will grwo the longer poor home performances/results continue if we make it to 10 games with out a home win then it will be justifiable to protest, but not at the moment
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 When you said old school,I thought you meant in a 70s 80s terrace culture stylee,probably not acceptable today. Whistles away quietly leaving the scene.........
Frome Valley Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 How can it get any worse? Players actually give up from kick off and lose all respect for the manager. Bristol City v Southend and Terry Cooper was an example.
NOTR Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Whistles away quietly leaving the scene.........
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 I can agree with that, Things are bad but they are no where near a protest stage yet, They've just got to the anti millen chants stage Protest is far away yet, these will grwo the longer poor home performances/results continue if we make it to 10 games with out a home win then it will be justifiable to protest, but not at the moment 10 home games will equate to nearly half the season, if we haven't won by then we will be down already, confidence on the floor and no time to instil new plans act now or act too late.
Frome Valley Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 The support was excellent - because the performance was excellent. Keith Millen should hang his head in shame.
Monkeh Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 10 home games will equate to nearly half the season, if we haven't won by then we will be down already, confidence on the floor and no time to instil new plans act now or act too late. not saying give him that much time but that would be about right to protest, the anti feeling will continue to grow if results and performances don't improve, anyway we've played 6 at home already so its only another 4 home games if the board don't act that is,
Kid in the Riot Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 The support was excellent - because the performance was excellent. Loads were chanting millen out at the final whistle Not picking on you but the above wonderfully encapsulates the modern day football fan. 'Fickle' really doesn't go far enough to describe it!
David Brent Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Not at all, Wigley was Millen's choice as assistant, so no reason at all why he would or should stay on if Millen goes. SL surely wouldn't make the same mistake again by appointing from within. True. But, Millen obviously didn't go with Tinnion. (He was Tinnion's choice as number 2) I still don't know why he was allowed to stay. I know GJ kept Millen as assistant but why was he still at the club? As I've mentioned in other posts I don't know who would actually want the job. I reckon SL / CS will appoint from within, whether thats James or Carey or whoever. Maybe even Wigley.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 Appointing from within would just epitomise the problem and prove which way this club is going. If that's what happens then, we need a new investor (board), easier said than done, drastic and would probably mean taking a step backwards to go forwards.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 True. But, Millen obviously didn't go with Tinnion. (He was Tinnion's choice as number 2) I still don't know why he was allowed to stay. I know GJ kept Millen as assistant but why was he still at the club? As I've mentioned in other posts I don't know who would actually want the job. I reckon SL / CS will appoint from within, whether thats James or Carey or whoever. Maybe even Wigley. I was very surprised GJ's assistant at Yeovil, Steve Thompson, didn't accompany him to the Gate. I think SL once said he always saw KM as a future City manager which would perhaps explain why he kept on staying at the club while managers came and went. Wigley should go with Millen, James is a terrible thought and Carey doesn't even bear thinking about - he should have left the club at the end of last season. I should imagine unemployed experienced managers would jump at the chance to manage Bristol City - why wouldn't they?
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There were no demonstrations v Cooper, just a feeling of resignation that it was time for him to go. I don't buy this apathetic argument. It has never been easier for fans to organise themslves. No protests, no petitions, no marches could mean the depth of the anti's is shallow. yes there was, after the 2.0 defeat to Torquay in the cup I remember chanting "cooper out" in the carpark.
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There's no money, it's as simple as that, we are stuck with what we have got, if Millen goes then an appointment within the club would be made. Of course the statement above is just made up (maybe true) but the lack of communication from the current chairman is leading every Tom, Dick and Harry to their own conclusions (including me), the only thing that is 100% sure is that this club is going to the dogs, something's not right and the longer it's left the worse it's going to get. 20 Years ago we'd all be making our feelings known at Ashton Gate, the invention of the internet has given us a platform to air our grievances and opinions but it's also made us physically apathetic! In the days before blogs and forums etc, we'd let our voices be heard and our banners be seen, we'd let the board, manger or players know by standing in the carpark or outside the executive entrances, I think it's time to take it back to the old school and let the powers that be know that we won't except the current situation, league one is NOT an option. sack the board
Red Knowle Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 There's no money, it's as simple as that, we are stuck with what we have got, if Millen goes then an appointment within the club would be made. Of course the statement above is just made up (maybe true) but the lack of communication from the current chairman is leading every Tom, Dick and Harry to their own conclusions (including me), the only thing that is 100% sure is that this club is going to the dogs, something's not right and the longer it's left the worse it's going to get. 20 Years ago we'd all be making our feelings known at Ashton Gate, the invention of the internet has given us a platform to air our grievances and opinions but it's also made us physically apathetic! In the days before blogs and forums etc, we'd let our voices be heard and our banners be seen, we'd let the board, manger or players know by standing in the carpark or outside the executive entrances, I think it's time to take it back to the old school and let the powers that be know that we won't except the current situation, league one is NOT an option. You might be misjudging the mood. 20 years ago the mood inside the ground could be foul or the atmosphere was like a morgue. support v brighton was good leeds away was good last night really good and hull poor. doesnt feel like the standing in the carpark stage yet.
David Brent Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I was very surprised GJ's assistant at Yeovil, Steve Thompson, didn't accompany him to the Gate. I think SL once said he always saw KM as a future City manager which would perhaps explain why he kept on staying at the club while managers came and went. Wigley should go with Millen, James is a terrible thought and Carey doesn't even bear thinking about - he should have left the club at the end of last season. I should imagine unemployed experienced managers would jump at the chance to manage Bristol City - why wouldn't they? I'd like to think that we are still an attractive proposition to unemployed managers. But Millen was second choice only to Coppell after GJ. Was that because KM impressed SL, or because of a lack of quality applicants at the time?
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 Football has changed completely, that was one of my points, we have a different way of expressing ourselves now, via the Internet. 20 years ago, we were more vocal, more aggressive at games and more passionate, it was an outlet of stress, still a working mans game etc nowadays it's a sanitised money orientated business, and IMHO ruined beyond belief, maybe some old school tactics can bring back that passion and show the outside world that we care, as naive as it may sound it may stir up some sleeping local millionaire to invest............(that was a joke).
Riaz Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Not picking on you but the above wonderfully encapsulates the modern day football fan. 'Fickle' really doesn't go far enough to describe it! What should we have done? Millen out chants, when the team was playing very well??! I'm not fickle at all, but this club cannot afford to have such a poor manager at the helm. He's clearly taking us backwards, but then I suppose you are okay with that
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 28, 2011 Author Posted September 28, 2011 I'd like to think that we are still an attractive proposition to unemployed managers. But Millen was second choice only to Coppell after GJ. Was that because KM impressed SL, or because of a lack of quality applicants at the time? I reckon that was utter bOllocks and a good excuse to give the cheap alternative a try before Steve handed the reigns to Sexyboy.
Red Knowle Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 Football has changed completely, that was one of my points, we have a different way of expressing ourselves now, via the Internet. 20 years ago, we were more vocal, more aggressive at games and more passionate, it was an outlet of stress, still a working mans game etc nowadays it's a sanitised money orientated business, and IMHO ruined beyond belief, maybe some old school tactics can bring back that passion and show the outside world that we care, as naive as it may sound it may stir up some sleeping local millionaire to invest............(that was a joke). One thing which used to happen was the support of the team used to bomb week after week when fans were against the manager. ashton gate under lumsden and osman was a morgue. vocal support is still good and holding up for millen and last night was class.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I'd like to think that we are still an attractive proposition to unemployed managers. But Millen was second choice only to Coppell after GJ. Was that because KM impressed SL, or because of a lack of quality applicants at the time? The quote was that City had "dozens of quality applications" when the job was advertised post GJ. No reason why it would be any different now.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 vocal support is still good and holding up for millen For the team, yes, but I haven't heard 'Keithy Millen's Red and White Army' very often. Have you?
Red Knowle Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 For the team, yes, but I haven't heard 'Keithy Millen's Red and White Army' very often. Have you? I haven't heard Keith millens red and white army very often either and dont want to. bit of a crap song. Atmosphere was truly awful with osman and lumsden in charge nothing apart from odd dark moments. when fans were against a manager in the past they stopped getting behind the team and the ground sort of went into a angry sulk. thats the way it went old school. I have never heard the ground like it has been recently for a crowd really wanting the manager out like say osman. osmans team was shunned millens is not.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 28, 2011 Posted September 28, 2011 I haven't heard Keith millens red and white army very often either and dont want to. bit of a crap song. when fans were against a manager in the past they stopped getting behind the team and the ground sort of went into a angry sulk. Crap song or not it's a good indicator of whether the crowd are happy with the manager, or NOT as the case may be. There have been many 'angry sulkers' as you put it, in the ground this season - last night the team gave the crowd something to get excited about from the off, for once. Lots of other angry sulkers, of course, have decided the continual frustration is too much and have stop coming to AG altogether.
Guest Dagger @ BCFC Away Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Come on all this aint right, we all know it. Im so angry again with another result like this.... i want to express ourselfs face to face to the chairman/manager. Who agrees of going down ashton gate! Tomarrow or Monday ? Anyone know when there due back (players,chairman,manager,) What ever im always a city fan win lose but this we need our views said!
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 1, 2011 Author Posted October 1, 2011 If he's not gone by next home game, I will be taking it old school!
bucksred Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 The problem is that if Millen was sacked then Wigley would step up and he flopped badly at Southampton as number 1. If the club brought in a new manager from outside there is still no guarantee that the new bloke will be any more successful and could in fact make things worse through the upheaval that a new broom would cause, plus it takes time for new idea's to be introduced. Not a chance wigley was millens choice, he'll go as well, after failing to sack the assistant after Tinnion & johnson
Guest Frome Red Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 If he's not gone by next home game, I will be taking it old school! Plenty of time to get a decent amount of fans to the ground for when the bus returns ?
Guest Dagger @ BCFC Away Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Plenty of time to get a decent amount of fans to the ground for when the bus returns ? I Would be 1 of them to go there but will they be returning tonight ? thats my question if they are i will 100% be going down.
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