cockneyrobin Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 One bit of advice about using the IPCC route. There are 2 choices available to you as to how your complaint can be handled. 1) Local Resolution 2) Local Investigation Choose option 2 as the police in question will be investigated by someone from the Mets Professional Standards Team. They always try and get complainants to go down the route of Local Resolution which is nothing more than a slap on the wrist for the coppers involved from their Sargent You would certainly be looking for disciplinary proceedings to be taken against the officers involved so don't let anyone advise you against the option i have suggested ( i know because i worked there!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted September 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 One bit of advice about using the IPCC route. There are 2 choices available to you as to how your complaint can be handled. 1) Local Resolution 2) Local Investigation Choose option 2 as the police in question will be investigated by someone from the Mets Professional Standards Team. They always try and get complainants to go down the route of Local Resolution which is nothing more than a slap on the wrist for the coppers involved from their Sargent You would certainly be looking for disciplinary proceedings to be taken against the officers involved so don't let anyone advise you against the option i have suggested ( i know because i worked there!) Cheers mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Just wish the police would harass criminals rather than football fans. These police that "specialise" in football related "crimes" are just a bunch of overweight and over the hill wasters specialising in over-time claim forms and fleecing football clubs with the bills for their own private army. If ever your house gets burgled the police will do NOTHING, but at a football match some wooden top will be pointing a camera at you like you are Lex Luther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 On Tuesday evening there was a fight outside my local Asda involving 25 youths. It was so bad they had to shut the store. Only 4 police cars turned up and no helicopter. No media reports or any announcement. Imagine if this had been football fans.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midland red Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Chris, Good news mucker look forward to seeing you next home game, as for taking it further listen to your solicitior, i was banned by the club for about a dozen games and missed the play off final as i could not go to London as part of my bail, when i got found not guilty my brief laughed when i said i wanted to take it further, he said it will run for about three years and then it will get thrown out, best of luck. yours MR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gater Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 The club HAS to review their "policy" now. And they SHOULD refund the games. Why should you be punished because the police don't do their jobs properly?! Whatever happened to innocent til proven guilty I'm not a lawyer (albeit my girlfriend is) but I would have thought the claim for the missed games may be against the polic rather than the club...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlandrebel Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I will go to Aston Gate tomorrow, and ask about the games they banned me from at the end of last season, that I had already paid for, and see what they are going to do about it. I really hope that the club take a look at their policy about banning people that have not been convicted of any offence, just on the say so of the football liason officer. I really hope the club can make me feel, that the club is worth supporting again, because at present ............ Injustice is the thing that really gets me going. You've got my every sympathy mate. Make sure you update us with the response you get at AG. If they stand their ground - without a leg to stand on (mixing metaphors I know!) then you could always start a petition. All the best anyway and good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm not a lawyer (albeit my girlfriend is) but I would have thought the claim for the missed games may be against the polic rather than the club...? but it was the clubs decision to not allow him into games? was it not? as much as I dislike the police - you can't claim against the police for a football clubs poor policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm not a lawyer (albeit my girlfriend is) but I would have thought the claim for the missed games may be against the polic rather than the club...? what has it to do with the police? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funky monkey Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 but it was the clubs decision to not allow him into games? was it not? as much as I dislike the police - you can't claim against the police for a football clubs poor policy. not this again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm not a lawyer (albeit my girlfriend is) but I would have thought the claim for the missed games may be against the polic rather than the club...? The club banned me not the Police, as all bail condtions were lifted at the first court appearence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 So pleased you are in the clear, but make sure you follow this through to its most justifiable conclusion. The overview you put forward demonstrates how corrupt the police can be when they want to be. It stinks. The guy should be sacked and convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night84 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Seriosuly, contact your local MP. They will help you have your voice heard to both the police and Bristol City FC. In this situation they can be very handy to have onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBerkeleyBoy Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Good on u fella - sometimes the easy thing to do is to plead guity as its cheaper/less hassle - thats what they expected you to do. I support the police ... apart from the ones at football!!!! Go for as much as u can get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Glad it worked out for you but you need to see the Clubs point of view, they need to have a policy in place as to pending convictions for assault and to ban such. Imagine if it was a real nutter that had assaulted cop' fans and whoever, I am in agreement that the Club would have to take a banning action to keep supporters safe. I don't buy that. If he's really a risk he'd be remanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Doubtless the club will have the banning order policy written into the small print of season ticket sales, think it's very unlikely that the money will be refunded, however unfair it is. Well done on getting it thrown out, and take it all the way against the officers involved; but I don't think anything more than an apology will be forthcoming from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 For what you have mentioned, you are perhaps right, but for " so say entering a ground drunk, NOT disorderly", then no, you are wrong. This is only on the so-say of a police officers opion, and to which he was prompted by another officer, who had personal motives.How is it in the safety of others, I was not fighting, aggresive, swearing or even raising my voice, so what threat was I to other supporters, if I was allowed into a sports areana ??? You sound like you might have something to do with the police / Club ???? Sorry, this is a reply to Ten minutes of Rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Glad it worked out for you but you need to see the Clubs point of view, they need to have a policy in place as to pending convictions for assault and to ban such. Imagine if it was a real nutter that had assaulted cop' fans and whoever, I am in agreement that the Club would have to take a banning action to keep supporters safe. Rubbish. The club have taken an arbitory decision when the magistrates have not considred the charge serious enough to warrant conditions on bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 For what you have mentioned, you are perhaps right, but for " so say entering a ground drunk, NOT disorderly", then no, you are wrong. This is only on the so-say of a police officers opion, and to which he was prompted by another officer, who had personal motives.How is it in the safety of others, I was not fighting, aggresive, swearing or even raising my voice, so what threat was I to other supporters, if I was allowed into a sports areana ??? You sound like you might have something to do with the police / Club ???? Sorry, this is a reply to Ten minutes of Rough. Pleased at least the court had a bit of common sense & finally ended (if belatedly) this sorry saga for you dafarms... & yes I hope you get adequate compensation in whatever actions you now commence. The whole thing has been a complete & utter unnecessary balls-up ..... the time & money wasted on this (probably running into thousands inc legal fees etc) not to mention the emotional stress & strains caused could & should have been easily avoided. Cases like this, in the absence of specific criminal actions (violence, abusive behaviour etc), just the 'suspicion' of being 'drunk' (as opposed to simply having had a legal drink or two) could easily be assertained by use of onsite (ie: in the stadium police office) breathalyzer readings... a limit (for football stadiums) higher than but similar to the drink/drive limits could apply & the situation you found yourself in would've & should've been resolved within a few minutes. How many times do situations like this occur throught the country during a season?... God knows.. but for sure nobody benefits by the current way things are handled, leaving aside the 'victim' in this instance - how much taxpayers money has been wasted by this dumbass coppers actions??? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NifflerNomad Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Could be fun when me and my two mates go to west ham spending the day in London having a few (lots) of drinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 feel for you mate, but the sad truth is, apart from other football fans, no-one gives a toss. someone suggests you contact the local MP - are they really going to do anything?? hope you squeeze some money from the ob for the hassle incurred to you, but instinct says you'll need as much luck as there is out there. As for is the club worth supporting anymore? I ask myself that question sometimes. The fact that it's a question even considered suggests no. how i wish for the times when i first started going down city :/ we might have been shit, but at least it was fun... anyhow, good luck whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Bristol City football club, banned me before I even went to court......... I was a family season ticket holder with my son, daughter and old man. I have not been allowed to take my kids to football this season at home ...... I will go to Aston Gate tomorrow, and ask about the games they banned me from at the end of last season, that I had already paid for, and see what they are going to do about it. I really hope that the club take a look at their policy about banning people that have not been convicted of any offence........ Here's what I think you should do. Refer the club back to when Orr, Brooker, Partridge and Brown were on bail for a year. Were they banned from Ashton Gate? NO I really would like to see how a named person at BCFC, rather than "The Club", reconcile that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Here's what I think you should do. Refer the club back to when Orr, Brooker, Partridge and Brown were on bail for a year. Were they banned from Ashton Gate? NO I really would like to see how a named person at BCFC, rather than "The Club", reconcile that one. Nick You have hit the nail on the head there mate, never thought of that one, something I will think about bringing up in my letter to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjar Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 congrates mucker been away as you know the last few days but spoke to you on phone, hope to see you down ground soon with your boy as i know how much you both love watching city. :clap: :clap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Glad it worked out for you but you need to see the Clubs point of view, they need to have a policy in place as to pending convictions for assault and to ban such. Imagine if it was a real nutter that had assaulted cop' fans and whoever, I am in agreement that the Club would have to take a banning action to keep supporters safe. True , but then should compensate the person for any loss incurred if that person should then be found innocent of the charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafarms Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Cheers Fella congrates mucker been away as you know the last few days but spoke to you on phone, hope to see you down ground soon with your boy as i know how much you both love watching city. :clap: :clap: Cheers mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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