Rob k Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Despite everyone wanting millen out finally will the new manager whoever he is get the full backing from the fans? From what I can see and from what I talk about with my friends there is a real divide on who we think is best to manage us, Some think Davis or jones and others can't stand the thought of either of them, some want Tisdale and others think that would be a step backwards!! No one can agree on SOD and oneil is out of our range!! Who ever comes needs the full backing of the supporters, no doubt the board have to get this right but it's a very difficult decision this time round. For me I'm I'm coming round to the idea of a who's young and will being a fresh approach but am sure it will be jones who gets the job (once millens fired before some smart arse says it)
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Once the new man is in place he will be backed as he will be an improvement. I think Robins would be a good choice.
Riaz Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I'll back the manager.... As long It's not a shocking appointment like Steve McLaren. I'd be happy with any of Robins, Jones, SOD, Davies or any other manager with a decent record
DeadmanTF1 Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Hwo ever it is will be backed until the first poor result / performance and then he will start to get hammered. Me if I could have anyone it would be Garth Southgate. But I think robbie Savage has more chance of winning SCD . But I live in hope.
BCAGFC Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I'll back the manager.... As long It's not a shocking appointment like Steve McLaren. I'd be happy with any of Robins, Jones, SOD, Davies or any other manager with a decent record As most of those are established managers, how long would you give them to succeed?. Surely it has to be less time than KM has had as he is/was a rookie and everyone claims that we have decent players?. BCAGFC
Riaz Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 As most of those are established managers, how long would you give them to succeed?. Surely it has to be less time than KM has had as he is/was a rookie and everyone claims that we have decent players?. BCAGFC Their job would be to keep us up. if they do that or at least have a good go at it, then we build for the long term. Thing is Millen already knew our problems, so he should have been able to sort them fairly quickly. He didn't, he just bought wingers and strikers!!
SC_Red Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Whoever it is So long as robbored thinks he's crap then I will be confident he's the manager to take us up to the next level.
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 This year is all about staying up, next year will be consolidation and I just dream the year our new stadium will be built we are in with a realistic shout of promotion
redcherryberry Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Despite everyone wanting millen out finally will the new manager whoever he is get the full backing from the fans? From what I can see and from what I talk about with my friends there is a real divide on who we think is best to manage us, Some think Davis or jones and others can't stand the thought of either of them, some want Tisdale and others think that would be a step backwards!! No one can agree on SOD and oneil is out of our range!! Who ever comes needs the full backing of the supporters, no doubt the board have to get this right but it's a very difficult decision this time round. For me I'm I'm coming round to the idea of a who's young and will being a fresh approach but am sure it will be jones who gets the job (once millens fired before some smart arse says it) Ha Ha. Did you give Millen your full backing upon his appoitment? Reading back at your post's, you wanted him out from the day he took over from coppell. Will you get behind the new man even if he's not your first choice again? Will be interesting to see if you do or not.
Rob k Posted October 2, 2011 Author Posted October 2, 2011 Ha Ha. Did you give Millen your full backing upon his appoitment? Reading back at your post's, you wanted him out from the day he took over from coppell. Will you get behind the new man even if he's not your first choice again? Will be interesting to see if you do or not. This is precisely my point, I never wanted Millen, and could never get behind him 100% even though I tried!! This time round it seems nobody can agree on the new manager, when GJ was appointed it seemed we were all behind him from day 1. Will I be 100% behind the be manager remains to be seen, I would like to think I would be but if it's Billy D then I may have a problem!!
miloemily Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I think the new manager will soon get all the fans on board once he has the team playing well and tactics right. If we manage to finish the season mid table i will be happy, then let the clear out begin. I hope we get Dave Jones.
Roger Red Hat Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I think the new manager will soon get all the fans on board once he has the team playing well and tactics right. If we manage to finish the season mid table i will be happy, then let the clear out begin. I hope we get Dave Jones. I don't. Serial failure. Chatting to a bluebird mate last night, in his considered opinion Jones would be a mistake.
Roger Red Hat Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 who would you like to see Roger? Now you're asking! There doesn't realistically seem to be anyone that floats my boat, from the list of unemployed managers except for the likes of O'Neil who we are never going to attract. As always it's easier to say who you wouldn't want. I think the board have got to identify a manager who's currently employed and go hell for leather to get him. What I do know is that I'd be hopeless trying to choose a manager, that's one reason I'm not on the board of directors (along with many other reasons).
redcherryberry Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I don't. Serial failure. Chatting to a bluebird mate last night, in his considered opinion Jones would be a mistake. Agreed. Dont want Jones. GJ worked so hard to rid the drinking culture at this club and with Jones in the hot seat this would eventually return at some point. Allot of fans would also say he's tactically inept. Never his fault and was always having a go at the Cardiff faithful each week for one reason or another. He would go down like a led balloon here.
City fan 1982 Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 new gaffer would get my backing whoever it is after all it should be an improvement !!! jones, davis, sod its experience that counts in the ccc not a rookies training league MILLEN OUT !!!!!!!!
miloemily Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Now you're asking! There doesn't realistically seem to be anyone that floats my boat, from the list of unemployed managers except for the likes of O'Neil who we are never going to attract. As always it's easier to say who you wouldn't want. I think the board have got to identify a manager who's currently employed and go hell for leather to get him. What I do know is that I'd be hopeless trying to choose a manager, that's one reason I'm not on the board of directors (along with many other reasons). Fair play Roger. I think D Jones because I hate B Davies and Jones teams score goalsand play good footy unlike Keiths! Anyway we shall wait and see.
exAtyeoMax Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 How about Alan Curbishley? I don't know much about him as a manager.
A Horse With No Name Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I don't. Serial failure. Chatting to a bluebird mate last night, in his considered opinion Jones would be a mistake. Well if you consider getting to the play offs two years in succession a failure, then I would happily see City "fail". If you reach enough play offs, one day you will be promoted.
Calculus Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Well if you consider getting to the play offs two years in succession a failure, then I would happily see City "fail". If you reach enough play offs, one day you will be promoted. .... and they lost in the FA Cup final ... hopeless, don't want that sort of thing here.
stokes7 Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I think who ever it is will show us fans how ambitious the board really are i know getting into the prem is along way off but i want someone who u could say yeah with him in charge we gotta chance, like with coppell i bet many of us thought that but yeah i know it went horribly wrong but thats the type we should be looking at,someone with loads of contacts
BCAGFC Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Their job would be to keep us up. if they do that or at least have a good go at it, then we build for the long term. Thing is Millen already knew our problems, so he should have been able to sort them fairly quickly. He didn't, he just bought wingers and strikers!! He tried to improve our defence last season (Jones) and in the summer (McAuley etc, etc) , trying to sign class players at this level but they all went to the PL....perhaps he should have set his sights a bit lower but then would those next level down players be as good as what we have already?.......IMO no. As for Bolasie & Taylor, it has been discussed to death but they cost us FA in real terms after selling Henderson. BCAGFC
Riaz Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 He tried to improve our defence last season (Jones) and in the summer (McAuley etc, etc) , trying to sign class players at this level but they all went to the PL....perhaps he should have set his sights a bit lower but then would those next level down players be as good as what we have already?.......IMO no. As for Bolasie & Taylor, it has been discussed to death but they cost us FA in real terms after selling Henderson. BCAGFC You think that what we've got is just below prem level then?? If so, then millen really aint getting the most from these defenders!!
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 As long as we don't follow our recent history and promote somebody totally unqualified from within the club or somebody else who is unqualified by either experience or achievement or so hated at this club they will never have a chance of winning the fans over, why would'nt they get the full support of the fans. As I said on an earlier thread this appointment will show beyond any doubt the ambition of this club and I suspect to fulfill that ambition (to get the right man) there will have to be a loosening of the purse strings, as most good candidates would not come here without the promise of funds to turn our season around, there is another plus side that apart from Mcgivern, Millen did'nt waste any more money on unwanted or poor signings during the last window so the loosening of the purse strings might not be such an issue.
BCAGFC Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 You think that what we've got is just below prem level then?? If so, then millen really aint getting the most from these defenders!! I never said that but don;t forget that clubs have to allow us to sign their players and they also have to want to sign for us......neither of which happened. So what clubs do you think we should have raided and what players do you think we should have signed that are better than our current defenders.?. BCAGFC
REDOXO Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 How about Alan Curbishley? I don't know much about him as a manager. But he definately lives in Clifton!! Short walk across the bridge and down the hill EASY!
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 As long as we don't follow our recent history and promote somebody totally unqualified from within the club or somebody else who is unqualified by either experience or achievement or so hated at this club they will never have a chance of winning the fans over, why would'nt they get the full support of the fans. As I said on an earlier thread this appointment will show beyond any doubt the ambition of this club and I suspect to fulfill that ambition (to get the right man) there will have to be a loosening of the purse strings, as most good candidates would not come here without the promise of funds to turn our season around, there is another plus side that apart from Mcgivern, Millen did'nt waste any more money on unwanted or poor signings during the last window so the loosening of the purse strings might not be such an issue. This is the worry though, I can see another Tinnionesque appointment in the hope the cheap option may work "this time". Ladies and Gentleman I present to you Mr Wiggley, the new City manager, he's grit a fabulous pedigree, international experience and knows the players and the pressures the job bring etc etc blah, blah, blah
Riaz Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I never said that but don;t forget that clubs have to allow us to sign their players and they also have to want to sign for us......neither of which happened. So what clubs do you think we should have raided and what players do you think we should have signed that are better than our current defenders.?. BCAGFC yawn! you really do believe everything the club tells us!
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 This is the worry though, I can see another Tinnionesque appointment in the hope the cheap option may work "this time". Ladies and Gentleman I present to you Mr Wiggley, the new City manager, he's grit a fabulous pedigree, international experience and knows the players and the pressures the job bring etc etc blah, blah, blah of course this a danger, although I can't see it this time. For a start if we get relegated the financial implications are frightening and not in SL's script for the new stadium and if the appointment is 2nd class and we do manage to stay up the season tickets sales will plummet, as I said this next appointment will tell us all we need to know about the ambition of this club and the fans will carry on voting with their feet. I don't think the club can afford to get it wrong again.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 of course this a danger, although I can't see it this time. For a start if we get relegated the financial implications are frightening and not in SL's script for the new stadium and if the appointment is 2nd class and we do manage to stay up the season tickets sales will plummet, as I said this next appointment will tell us all we need to know about the ambition of this club and the fans will carry on voting with their feet. I don't think the club can afford to get it wrong again. Sorry mate, was being sarcastic, completely agree with what you put above, however I still wouldn't be surprised!!!
RedZepperin Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I think Steve Lansdown is due a good decision this time. So far, over the last c. 10 years, we have had: The extension to Danny Wilson's contract (oh dear) Brian Tinnion's appointment (oops) Gary Johnson poached from Yeovil (nice) Procrastinating about GJ's removal (a friendship had blossomed twixt the two, apparently) Steve Coppell's appointment (cripes!) Can't be arsed to look for anyone else, give it to Keith (please don't) And now... drum roll...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Sorry mate, was being sarcastic, completely agree with what you put above, however I still wouldn't be surprised!!! and nor would I my friend, after all this BCFC we are talking about.
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I think Steve Lansdown is due a good decision this time. So far, over the last c. 10 years, we have had: The extension to Danny Wilson's contract (oh dear) Brian Tinnion's appointment (oops) Gary Johnson poached from Yeovil (nice) Procrastinating about GJ's removal (a friendship had blossomed twixt the two, apparently) Steve Coppell's appointment (cripes!) Can't be arsed to look for anyone else, give it to Keith (please don't) And now... drum roll... Bobby Gould.
BCAGFC Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 yawn! you really do believe everything the club tells us! You NEVER come up with (realistic) players that we should sign, if you are going to give KM so much stick for not signing defenders, then tell us who YOU would have signed. BCAGFC
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 You NEVER come up with (realistic) players that we should sign, if you are going to give KM so much stick for not signing defenders, then tell us who YOU would have signed. BCAGFC Ummm surely that's the managers job, it's part of what he's paid for?.
Harry Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Despite everyone wanting millen out finally will the new manager whoever he is get the full backing from the fans? From what I can see and from what I talk about with my friends there is a real divide on who we think is best to manage us, Some think Davis or jones and others can't stand the thought of either of them, some want Tisdale and others think that would be a step backwards!! No one can agree on SOD and oneil is out of our range!! Who ever comes needs the full backing of the supporters, no doubt the board have to get this right but it's a very difficult decision this time round. For me I'm I'm coming round to the idea of a who's young and will being a fresh approach but am sure it will be jones who gets the job (once millens fired before some smart arse says it) Whatever the appointment, there will always be some fans who don't agree. I too am of the persuasion that we should try something new and different. I don't buy into all this opinion stating that we have to get someone in who has experience managing in the Championship. Yes,the likes of Billy Davies and Dave Jones have had a modicum of success at this level, but that doesn't guarantee them being a shoe-in for the job nor that they will be a success for us. There are plenty of examples of managers with no experience at this level being successful, it is not a pre-requisite that to be successful in this league you need to have managed in it before. I want us to be courageous and do something different. Moyes was new to the job when he made his name at Preston. Mowbray hadn't managed in England before he had success with West Brom in this league. Owen Coyle had no management experience at this level before he took Burnley up. Others such as Eddie Howe, Nigel Clough, Dougie Freedman, Gus Poyet all had no experience at this level before being appointed by their respective clubs and they all seem to be doing fine. Lee Clark and Di Canio have been mentioned by some people as success stories, but again, they've no Championship experience at management level. So I simply don't believe in the argument that we need someone who has experience at this level. I think this is clouding a lot of people's judgement and they only see Davies and Jones as the potential answer because of this reason alone. Now, unless Lansdown/Sexstone (whoever is in charge of this decision!) have an amazing candidate in mind who is currently employed, whom they wish to approach, then they should absolutely never appoint someone like Jones or Davies without going through a proper application process. I do not want us to offer the job to either of these without first opening up to applications. See what comes in, there may be some surprising names out there who we didn't think would be interested (perhaps your likes of Hoddle, O'Neill, Curbishley etc might actually chuck their name into the hat). You never know, they may all think they've been out of work for long enough and might be up for the challenge. We should at least open up to applications just in case something like this crops up. I do not want us to employ Jones or Davies just on the basis that they've worked in this league before and they are available. That to me is not a proper selection process, but again would be a knee-jerk reaction. I want the next appointment to be carefully considered. It should be someone who will take hold and rebuild this club from top to bottom. Yes the immediate priority is to ensure our safety, but I think pretty much any of the names mentioned here in the last few weeks will be capable of that - reason being that I firmly believe most of the squad are good enough, but they're not being managed or motivated correctly. Whoever the appointment is, I believe they'll have every chance of keeping us in this league, but under the current stewardship there is only one direction. So we need someone who will have enough nous about them to keep us up and then to begin the revolution of the club at the end of the season (with so many contracts up for renewal it will be a huge summer in 2012). Someone like Jim McIntyre up at Dunfermline. He's very well respected up there, taking them back into the premier league and doing it with courage in his decisions, he's learnt from his mistakes, he's prepared to mix things about, he can make tactical changes during a match dependent on the circumstances (unlike our current incumbant!) Alternatively, someone like Andreas Alm at AIK Stockholm. Rapidly building a name for himself and someone who a Swedish friend of mine firmly believes will manage in the Premier League. These should be the sort of candidates we're looking at, people who are making a success of themselves at present and who are widely respected and tipped for future success. I really hope our net is being cast a whole lot wider than Jones & Davies. Please. Hopefully there are people in charge of our club who have a wider understanding or world football than just looking at the latest unemployed Championship managers. There is a whole world of widely respected and up and coming coaches/managers out there, I hope we have someone on our board looking into these alternatives. Oh - and for those who think Keef is dull, please point me towards a Dave Jones interview that isn't monotone and lacking in charisma! The bloke is immensely dull.
milo1111 Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 You NEVER come up with (realistic) players that we should sign, if you are going to give KM so much stick for not signing defenders, then tell us who YOU would have signed. BCAGFC Riaz hasnt got a scouting network has he?
Coxy27 Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I think Karl Robinson or Lee Clarke would be good options, and appointing David James would just be hilarious, so I'd back that too.
ciderup Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Can somebody explain the hatred of Billy Davies to me please? I reckon he's just what we need TBH. I accept he's a hateful Jock git who is perceived to moan for a past time but he did bloody well at Forest, Preston, Derby (in this league) etc and certainly seems to be a disciplinarian, which we surely need? Wouldn't a 'marmite' character unite us again? Us against the world when everyone dislikes our Manager? The Forest fans want him back which speaks volmes IMO. bring it on TBH! 'BILLY D's CIDER ARMY!!
Superjack Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Anybody... ...and I MEAN ANYBODY but Millen or Wigley.
ciderup Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Anybody... ...and I MEAN ANYBODY but Millen or Wigley. Not the answer I was looking for Jack but it made me laugh anyway! BILLY DAVIES PLEASE STEVE
2015 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 I think that the board should go for someone young with some charisma about him! What has really changed about the club over the past few years is the backing, entertainment and togetherness which hasn't seemed to be there over the past couple of years! Firstly they need to get rid of the coaching staff and employ their own and build from there. The style of football we have been playing for the past 3 years have been extremely woeful and I feel this is the main reason the attendances have dropped. We need a manager who will win back the fans with entertaining Football City always used to play.
Stephen Lewis Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted Today, 07:02 AM As long as we don't follow our recent history and promote somebody totally unqualified from within the club or somebody else who is unqualified by either experience or achievement or so hated at this club they will never have a chance of winning the fans over, why would'nt they get the full support of the fans. Nobody left I fear.
Guest Harito495 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Top Top post mate, agree with every single word ! Whatever the appointment, there will always be some fans who don't agree. I too am of the persuasion that we should try something new and different. I don't buy into all this opinion stating that we have to get someone in who has experience managing in the Championship. Yes,the likes of Billy Davies and Dave Jones have had a modicum of success at this level, but that doesn't guarantee them being a shoe-in for the job nor that they will be a success for us. There are plenty of examples of managers with no experience at this level being successful, it is not a pre-requisite that to be successful in this league you need to have managed in it before. I want us to be courageous and do something different. Moyes was new to the job when he made his name at Preston. Mowbray hadn't managed in England before he had success with West Brom in this league. Owen Coyle had no management experience at this level before he took Burnley up. Others such as Eddie Howe, Nigel Clough, Dougie Freedman, Gus Poyet all had no experience at this level before being appointed by their respective clubs and they all seem to be doing fine. Lee Clark and Di Canio have been mentioned by some people as success stories, but again, they've no Championship experience at management level. So I simply don't believe in the argument that we need someone who has experience at this level. I think this is clouding a lot of people's judgement and they only see Davies and Jones as the potential answer because of this reason alone. Now, unless Lansdown/Sexstone (whoever is in charge of this decision!) have an amazing candidate in mind who is currently employed, whom they wish to approach, then they should absolutely never appoint someone like Jones or Davies without going through a proper application process. I do not want us to offer the job to either of these without first opening up to applications. See what comes in, there may be some surprising names out there who we didn't think would be interested (perhaps your likes of Hoddle, O'Neill, Curbishley etc might actually chuck their name into the hat). You never know, they may all think they've been out of work for long enough and might be up for the challenge. We should at least open up to applications just in case something like this crops up. I do not want us to employ Jones or Davies just on the basis that they've worked in this league before and they are available. That to me is not a proper selection process, but again would be a knee-jerk reaction. I want the next appointment to be carefully considered. It should be someone who will take hold and rebuild this club from top to bottom. Yes the immediate priority is to ensure our safety, but I think pretty much any of the names mentioned here in the last few weeks will be capable of that - reason being that I firmly believe most of the squad are good enough, but they're not being managed or motivated correctly. Whoever the appointment is, I believe they'll have every chance of keeping us in this league, but under the current stewardship there is only one direction. So we need someone who will have enough nous about them to keep us up and then to begin the revolution of the club at the end of the season (with so many contracts up for renewal it will be a huge summer in 2012). Someone like Jim McIntyre up at Dunfermline. He's very well respected up there, taking them back into the premier league and doing it with courage in his decisions, he's learnt from his mistakes, he's prepared to mix things about, he can make tactical changes during a match dependent on the circumstances (unlike our current incumbant!) Alternatively, someone like Andreas Alm at AIK Stockholm. Rapidly building a name for himself and someone who a Swedish friend of mine firmly believes will manage in the Premier League. These should be the sort of candidates we're looking at, people who are making a success of themselves at present and who are widely respected and tipped for future success. I really hope our net is being cast a whole lot wider than Jones & Davies. Please. Hopefully there are people in charge of our club who have a wider understanding or world football than just looking at the latest unemployed Championship managers. There is a whole world of widely respected and up and coming coaches/managers out there, I hope we have someone on our board looking into these alternatives. Oh - and for those who think Keef is dull, please point me towards a Dave Jones interview that isn't monotone and lacking in charisma! The bloke is immensely dull.
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